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HomeMy WebLinkAboutHARC_Agenda&Minutes_2011Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 8, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, December 8, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. Commissioner(s) in Training: Andy Welch Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 27, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as the Law Office of Lisa Goddard-Gikas, P.C., located at 120 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2011-040) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 52, Lot 5 (s/pt), to be known as Shelton & Power, LLC, located at 812 S. Church Street. (CDC-2011-041) Regular Agenda: 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance to install public art on existing retaining walls and future sidewalks, located at City of Georgetown, Block 3, also known as the River Place, located at 205 W. 2nd Street. (CDC-2011-042) 5.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on proposed amendments to the Design Guidelines. 6.Updates from staff and reminder about the January 11, 2012 HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting at the Georgetown Municipal Complex and the January 26, 2012 HARC/HARC Sign Subcommittee meetings at Council Chambers. 7. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 8, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , December 8, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship, Susan Firth, David Paul, Nelia Ibsen Schrum, and Raymond Wahrenbrock. Members Absent: Andy Welch, Commissioner in Training Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and HARC liaison; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Rapp opened the meeting at 6:02 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 27, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Rapp asked for clarification of the minutes for 711 E. 5 th Street. The last sentence on page 3, “Details on the 400 square foot detached garage are unknown but the applicant wishes to take it down along with the house to allow for new construction.” should be deleted. Motion by Paul to approve the minutes with the noted deleted sentence. Second by Schrum. Approved 6 – 0. Firth reported that items 2 and 3 of the consent agenda were approved at the Sign Subcommittee earlier that evening. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as the Law Office of Lisa Goddard-Gikas, P.C., located at 120 W. 8 th Street. (CDC-2011-040) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 52, Lot 5 (s/pt), to be known as Shelton & Power, LLC, located at 812 S. Church Street. (CDC-2011-041) Regular Agenda: 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance to install public art on existing retaining walls and future sidewalks , located at City of Georgetown, Block 3, also known as the River Place, located at 205 W. 2 nd Street. (CDC-2011-042) Wyler introduced Mark Schlessinger, the artist for the proposed project. Mr. Schlessinger gave a presentation of work he has done and what he proposes to do at the River Walk. He explained his history and how he started mixing his own paint colors to get the special effects he showed. The proposal is to paint certain sections of the sidewalk and concrete retaining walls with the paints, in different color block sections. Firth questioned the ADA compliance of painted sidewalks. Wyler assured her that the city would review the sidewalks for compliance and they would not be permitted if not compliant. Linda McCalla, of the Main Street Advisory Board, spoke about the role of art in downtown Georgetown and how important it has been and will continue to be. She explained the growth of Arts with the growing involvement of the Arts and Culture Board, the Chamber’s newly developed Arts Alliance, and the possibility of an Arts Center in the old police station. She mentioned the sculpture art pieces around downtown and the mural downtown. Then she reintroduced Mr. Schlessinger and explained his role in the new project. Mr. Schlessinger stated he was very glad to be back in Texas and excited about this project. He showed colored, concrete examples of what he intends to do, explaining that the color samples were taken from existing historical structures on the Square, including the Courthouse granite and others. He asked for questions and comments. Rapp asked if the colors on the sidewalk would be glowing as well as the walls. Schlessinger explained that the “glowing” color blocks are only visible to those in the restaurant, not from across the river, and not on the actual sidewalk panels. She questioned how long the glow would last. He explained that there would be black lights installed under the rafters or in inconspicuous places so the color blocks will be illuminated all night long. The green glow is brighter and lasts longer than the blue. The green lasts 25 hours and the blue lasts 9 – 10 hours, before needing to be recharged . Blankenship questioned the need for adding the Hardiplank sections to the concrete wall. It was confirmed that it was to add dimension to the wall. Firth questioned the durability of the sidewalk paint. Schlessinger said it was very durable and he would guarantee the colors, coming back to make any necessary repairs. Firth liked that the colors were historically accurate and suggested putting a storyboard at the entrance to the restaurant to explain the colors and their history. Sam Pfeister, River Place owner, liked the idea. Wahrenbrock asked where the sidewalk paint would end, and whether it would continue beyond the property . Pfeister explained it would end at the parking lot in the first phase and include the retaining walls. The second phase of the project would be considered for adding additional painted areas. Rapp opened the Public Hearing at 6:56 p.m. Eric Lashley, Georgetown Public Library Director, spoke for the project and expressed the Arts and Culture Board support of the project. He applauded the private investment into art and to making Georgetown a destination for art. He requested HARC approval of the project for both himself and the Arts and Culture Board. Rapp closed the Public Hearing at 6:59 p.m. Blankenship expressed that she felt the pink color was too saturated and asked if it could be toned down. Other commissioners expressed the same concern. Schlessinger agreed to look at it and try to tone it down . He explained that it would be next to a gray color that would also tone it down in appearance. Motion by Firth to accept the project as presented with consideration given to the artist’s discretion with the pink color. Second by Paul. Approved 6-0. Rapp stopped the meeting for a 5 minute recess. Rapp re-opened the meeting at 7:12 p.m. 5.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on proposed amendments to the Design Guidelines. The commissioners moved to the front tables for discussion of the Design Guidelines. 6.Updates from staff and reminder about the January 11, 2012 HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting at the Georgetown Municipal Complex and the January 26, 2012 HARC/HARC Sign Subcommittee meetings at Council Chambers. 7. Adjournment Rapp adjourned the meeting at 8:42 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 8, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, December 8, 2011 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; and Sarah Blankenship Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 9, 2011 HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as the Law Office of Lisa Goddard-Gikas, P.C., located at 120 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2011-040) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 52, Lot 5 (s/pt), to be known as Shelton & Power, LLC, located at 812 S. Church Street. (CDC-2011-041) 4.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for December 8, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 8, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , December 8, 2011. Members Present: Susan Firth, Chair; Dee Rapp; and Sarah Blankenship Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Firth called the meeting to order at 5:32 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 9, 2011 HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Rapp to approve the minutes as submitted. Second by Blankenship. Approved 3 – 0. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as the Law Office of Lisa Goddard-Gikas, P.C., located at 120 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2011-040) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC to reface two existing projecting signs in addition to installing window lettering at the business entrance. The building has two existing two-sided projecting signs. One projects from the corner of the building towards the northwest and the other projects directly toward 8th Street. The applicant plans to replace the existing green/blue face on the larger sign with an off-white and black face. The dimensions and location of the sign will not change. On the sign, the address, names, services and contact information will be listed vertically. A second, smaller projecting sign on the 8th Street facade will receive the same treatment. Currently, only a bracket exists. Due to clearance reasons, the proposed sign is smaller and will list just the services provided in the same color and font as the main, larger projecting sign. The applicant, Lisa Goddard Gikes, spoke to the commissioners and stated that she had decided to not put the lettering in the window, but the rest of the application remains the same as proposed. Firth open the Public Hearing at 5:40 and immediately closed it for lack of speakers. Blankenship questioned the word “mediation” that was proposed to be in italics when the other words on the sign were not. Ms. Gikes explained that mediation is a service and the others listed were part of her practice. Firth stated she did not like the statement “Se hablo Espanol” on the projecting sign, as it is not consistent with other signs on the Square. She does not feel it is appropriate and suggests it would be better to post it on the door. Rapp and Blankenship did not feel it was inappropriate because it was informative. Firth also suggested that services were not usually displayed on a sign. Wyler explained that this business is limited in its signage because the space is smaller than a normal store front because it is in a vestibule. Motion by Rapp to approve the main projecting sign, with the applicant having the option to move the “Se hablo Espanol” to the door. Second by Blankenship. Approved 3 – 0. Motion by Rapp to approve the door signage as presented with the applicant having the option to move “Se hablo Espanol” to the door. Second by Blankenship. Amended by Rapp to state the approval of the main projecting sign and the door sign as presented, with the applicant having the caveat to not include the windows as previously presented. Second by Blankenship. Approved 3 – 0. Motion by Rapp to approve the third presented sign, the secondary projecting sign, as presented with the word “mediation” in the same font style (un-italicized) as the other words. Second by Firth. Amended by Rapp to allow the applicant to choose the font style for the word “mediation”. Second by Blankenship. Amended motion approved 2 – 1 (Firth opposed.) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 52, Lot 5 (s/pt), to be known as Shelton & Power, LLC, located at 812 S. Church Street. (CDC-2011-041) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC to reface an existing freestanding sign in addition to installing lettering on the glass of two entrance doors. The property has an existing two-sided freestanding pole sign located directly in front of the business. The applicant would like to reface this sign. The wood sign face measures 48 inches tall by 42 inches wide and hangs from a single pole and bracket. The new design will incorporate the business’ burgundy and black color scheme and will read “Shelton & Power, Attorneys At Law” with the company logo and contact information above and below. There will also be a black and burgundy border placed around the sign. Next, window lettering is proposed for two entrance doors. White vinyl lettering will be installed on both the east (Church Street) entrance door and a north side entry door. Both doors will incorporate the same language which includes the name of the business, hours of operation and contact information. Due to the size of the larger, north door, that lettering will be slightly larger in area. Shown on the provided measurements, both window signs remain below the maximum allowance of 30% coverage. Firth open the Public Hearing at 5:49 and immediately closed it for lack of speakers. Motion by Blankenship to approve the application as presented. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 4.Adjournment. Firth adjourned the meeting at 5:52 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, November 9, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth; Sarah Blankenship Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible action on the minutes from the October 27, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new monument sign at City of Georgetown, Block 3, also known as the River Place, located at 205 W. 2nd Street. (CDC-2011-038) 3.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new window signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 5 (pt), also known as the Old Fire Station, located at 816 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-039) 4.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for December 8, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, November 9, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , November 9, 2011. Members Present: Susan Firth, Chair; Dee Rapp; and Sarah Blankenship Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Firth called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible action on the minutes from the October 27, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Rapp to approve the minutes as submitted. Second by Blankenship. Approved 3-0. 2.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new monument sign at City of Georgetown, Block 3, also known as the River Place, located at 205 W. 2nd Street. (CDC-2011-038) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for a new monument sign. Shown on the attached site plan and sign details, the sign will be installed near the corner of W. 2nd Street and S. Austin Avenue and will be constructed of rammed earth to match the restaurant’s courtyard walls. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the monument sign with the condition the applicant either receive staff approval for the final details or come back to the Sign Subcommittee for final approval once they are known. Rusty Winkstern, the applicant, was available for questions and comments. Firth opened and closed the Public Hearing and there were no speakers. Rapp stated she has no issues with the sign and likes the rammed earth look, on both the sign and the walls. She clarified that the current application was just for the monument sign. Winkstern explained that he just needed approval on this type of sign at this time, because it would take extra time to make. Blankenship expressed that she likes the sign and thinks it is innovative and goes with the building. Firth expressed concern about the other signs that will be proposed and asked for a master sign plan to be submitted so they will be consistent with each other. Winkstern explained that he is planning for low lights, and elegant and tasteful feel. The exterior lighting is still being planned, as is the remaining signage. He explained that he will not be able to do a complete master sign plan for the property because the other structure to be built is too far out in time. Firth stated that the signs should be consistent in style, materials, and font, even when the new structure comes in. Winkstern stated he is looking at laser cut letters on steel as a material for the signs. Other options were discussed. Motion by Blankenship to approve the CDC for the general design of the monument sign, with the application to be brought back with the details of the name of the business, color and materials to be used. Second by Rapp. Approved 3-0. 3.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new window signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 5 (pt), also known as the Old Fire Station, located at 816 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-039) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for three new window signs (locations depicted in the image above). Made of white vinyl, the three signs will be for the new location of the Economic Development and Public Communications departments on the second floor of the historic fire station building. The first sign will be installed and centered on a first floor entrance door and will read “Economic Development and Public Communications” with the Georgetown logo above. The second sign will be identical to the first and installed on a second floor entrance door facing Main Street. The last sign will be similar to the first two but will include “Please Use Other Door” as this is a non-functional door. The applicant has stated the third door’s rendering depicts the signage larger than it actually will be, but the actual size will be no larger than 30% of the total glass area to ensure compliance with the Guidelines and consistency with the neighboring door. The applicant was not present for comments. Firth opened and closed the Public Hearings with no speakers present. Motion by Rapp to approve the application as presented. Second by Blankenship. Approved 3-0. Adjournment. The meeting was adjourned at 4:31 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. Commissioner(s) in Training: Andy Welch Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda . The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 22, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at Lost Addition, Block 64 (pt), to be known as Texas Car Title & Payday Loan, located at 1000 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-037) Regular Agenda: 3. Conceptual review and discussion with the architect of a proposed downtown parking garage, located west of Rock Street between 6th and 7th Streets. 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a second story addition to a Low-Priority historic residence in Old Town in Hughes Addition, Block 10 (ne/pt), located at 1700 S. Church Street. (CDC-2011-035) 5.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a Low-Priority historic house and detached garage in Shell Addition, Block 15 (se/pt), located at 711 E. 5th Street. (CDC-2011-036) 6.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on the proposed amendments of the 2001 Downtown Design Guidelines, more specifically the newly drafted Chapter 13. 7.Updates from staff and reminder that there will be a HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting on Wednesday, November 9 at the Georgetown Municipal Complex but no HARC or HARC Sign Subcommittee meetings on Thursday, November 24 due to the holiday. Those meetings have been rescheduled to Thursday, December 9. 8. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , October 27, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship, Susan Firth, David Paul, Nelia Ibsen Schrum, and Raymond Wahrenbrock Members Absent: Andy Welch, Commissioner in Training Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and HARC liaison; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Laurie Brewer, Deputy City Manager; Ed Polasek, Transportation Services Director; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Rapp called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 22, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Blankenship asked that the last sentence of page 3 be changed to read: “Blankenship explained that THC standards would not allow the front of the structure to be changed in this manner, but that is not how the Design Guidelines were interpreted in the staff report.” Motion by Paul to approve the minutes as amended. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 6-0. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at Lost Addition, Block 64 (pt), to be known as Texas Car Title & Payday Loan, located at 1000 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-037) Rapp explained that the Sign Subcommittee tabled this item until further details and a more complete application were submitted. No action was taken by the Commission. Regular Agenda: 3. Conceptual review and discussion with the architect of a proposed downtown parking garage, located west of Rock Street between 6th and 7th Streets. Ed Polasek provided an overview of the proposed parking garage and explained that they wanted Commissioners’ comments before proceeding further. The architect, Tommy Kosarek, was also present. His presentation showed that several ideas of the Design Guidelines were incorporated into the design; pedestrian scale, the corners were made important, there is a ground floor element different from the rest of the structure, they were trying to make this more than just a place to park. The project entry will be located off 7th Street, with a major feature on the corner of Rock and 7th Streets. They would like to have some sort of pedestrian linkage to the library on 9th Street. Commissioner Paul thinks it looks good. Blankenship questioned when the city and county would be ready to move forward. Polasek responded that there would be at least two years of litigation before construction could start, then another 3 – 5 years after that for funding and construction. Blankenship stated she would like to see a more solid face on the residential example than what was shown. Rapp questioned the height of the structure. Kosarek said it will not exceed 794 feet which is the elevation for the courthouse view. Rapp reminded him to check the courthouse view from other points such as IH 35. She also asked that the illumination of the building be considered and kept low when placing residential units above the parking area. Wahrenbrock stated he would like to see the structure located further south, toward the library. Laurie Brewer explained that the city does not own any property further south and that this must be a partnership with the county. This is projected to cost over $7 million and needs the county participation to be funded. Wahrenbrock still encouraged them to work toward a pedestrian walkway to the library and finding something unique for Georgetown. Blankenship asked if the architect was accepting ideas. Any additional comments or ideas can be sent to Wyler, for forwarding to the architects and city. Kosarek asked if the commissioners liked the samples provided. Rapp responded that the samples were good in portraying the ideas and that they seem to be well received. She asked for a timeline of the application. Kosurek stated he would be redoing the drawing for concept and bidding by the first of the year. Blankenship suggested going with an industrial style like the current police station. Brewer stated the feasibility study was being conducted now and that there should be a report in about 2 months. Then the city and county will work on budgeting and approvals. Rapp thanked the applicants for bringing this forward at this time. 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a second story addition to a Low-Priority historic residence in Old Town in Hughes Addition, Block 10 (ne/pt), located at 1502 Ash Street. (CDC-2011-035) Wyler presented the staff report. Per UDC Section 3.13.010.A.2.a, a Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) is required whenever an addition is proposed to the street-facing facade of an existing single-family or two-family residential structure. Because of this, the applicant seeks CDC approval for an upper-story addition to their single-family, Low-Priority historic residence located in the Old Town Historic Overlay. The house was recently purchased with the intent to restore the Old Town home while increasing the size to make it a more practical family home. The applicant states the existing house lacks ample living and closet space as well as the bathrooms that modern families need. Additionally, a stucco chimney is proposed on the north side of the house, replacing an original chimney that was removed in the 1950’s, where a breezeway currently exists. The applicant has stated roofing materials and pitch for the addition will repeat that of the existing house. The proposed windows will be historically compatible to the existing windows, although slightly smaller. Firth stated she thinks the application and proposed addition are well done. She asked what the original chimney material was. Jordan Maddox, the applicant, stated that it was probably brick as evidenced in the portion that is remaining in the attic, but to make it work with the existing foundation and costs, stucco is their choice. He also explained that it will only be a working fireplace on the upper floor. Wahrenbrock suggested a brick veneer. Tommy Norrell, the contractor for this project, explained that stone would cost 2.5 times more than stucco, brick would cost 3 times more than stucco, and veneer would cost 50% more because of the labor intensiveness of the work. He also stated that from the street view, most people would not be able to tell what the original material was. Rapp opened and closed the public hearing at 6:52 p.m. There were no public comments. Motion by Firth to approve the CDC for the second story addition and the fireplace, asking the applicant to reconsider a brick fireplace. Second by Paul. Approved 6-0. 5.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a Low-Priority historic house and detached garage in Shell Addition, Block 15 (se/pt), located at 711 E. 5th Street. (CDC-2011-036) Wyler presented the staff report: The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for the demolition of a house and detached garage. According to the applicant’s application materials, the Georgetown Heritage Society determined the original portion of the house was built circa 1915 by C. S. Griffith, a premier builder of Georgetown at the time. The house has since gone through major modifications, especially with the addition of an upper story sometime in the 1950’s. Today, the house measures 2,859 square feet and has an attached 708 square foot garage and covered 192 square foot concrete porch. The house maintains the pier and beam foundation and wood siding. According to the applicant, features such as the aluminum windows in the clerestory and painted aluminum columns have been incorporated into the design of the house over the past few decades. It has also been stated that portions of the exterior horizontal wood siding are rotting and has even been replaced in some areas by plywood siding. The applicant states the house is in fair to poor condition with modifications that detract from any originality. The applicant plans to construct a more attractive arts & crafts style home that will be more compatible in appearance to the area and an asset for the neighborhood. Details on the 400 square foot detached garage are unknown but the applicant wishes to take it down along with the house to allow for the new construction. Any new construction will have to comply with all City rules and regulations but will not require HARC approval unless it were to require special CDC approval as detailed in UDC Section 4.09.030.B, Single-Family and Two-Family Residential Development Regulations in Old Town. The applicant will be required to obtain all the proper permits prior to demolition. Based on the applicant’s materials and staff’s analysis, staff recommends that HARC delay action of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of the Low-Priority house and accessory structure to allow for more research on the cost of renovating the house versus constructing a new one. This would also allow time for the applicant to possibly find a way to reuse the structure or materials. HARC should refer to UDC Section 3.13.050 for additional application requirements during the delay period. Dennis Banks, the owner of the house, added that the cost of renovating the house would be at least $225,000 and that is with keeping very little of the original structure. He stated renovation is cost prohibitive. Rapp opened the Public Hearing. Ellen Davis, of 405 E. 10th Street, believes HARC should not force Mr. Banks to keep the original house because there seems to be a good market in Georgetown for remodeled historic homes. J.C. Johnson, of 303 E. 9th Street, commented that old houses in Georgetown should command respect and that the citizens need to take demolition of those old homes seriously. He urged HARC to approve the delay to find an alternative to the demolition. Virginia Stubbs, representing the Georgetown Historic Society, researched the titles of the house, trying to determine the different changes that were made to the original structure. They support staff’s recommendation to deny or delay the demolition, stating that the house has “good bones” and can be restored. Rapp closed the Public Hearing at 7:04 p.m. Commissioners asked questions. Blankenship asked what was meant by “good bones”. It was explained that the house had a good foundation and structure at one point, but that many changes have been made to detract from the original character of the house. Rapp stated it looks like the original roof structure could be replaced. Banks explained that the changes that were made inside the house and to the structural components make it almost impossible to return it to its original state. He stated the ceiling joists will not support a second floor, and the only wooden window remaining is in the kitchen which looks into the added garage. There are not many original components of the 1915 house left. Rapp stated this may be the oldest house that HARC has considered for demolition and it is a difficult decision. She also stated that she could see the original house structure beneath all the changes and believes it is possible to restore it. Firth asked Mr. Banks if he would come back with a feasibility study, to determine if restoration was possible and the proposed cost of such a restoration. Mr. Banks stated he already had 3 months into the property and was not willing to put any more money into something like that. He provided pictures of other homes that he has built in historic districts and proposes to build something similar in this spot. Wyler explained that the Commissioners had options. They can delay the application for 175 days, or they can table the discussion until they get specific pieces of information from Mr. Banks. He read UDC Section 3.13.050 outlining their options. Firth quoted Guideline 7.13 which states that “only as a last resort should an historic structure be considered for demolition.” She cannot support this request. She wanted to see the motion delayed so Mr. Banks can come back with a plan to save the house. Wyler explained that the Commissioners could postpone action to get more information from the applicant without starting the 175 day delay process. Motion by Rapp to postpone the decision of the demolition and have the applicant work with staff to do a cost estimate and feasibility study of the restoration, and to then schedule a walkthrough with the commissioners after the feasibility study is done. Second by Firth. Approved 6 – 0. 6.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on the proposed amendments of the 2001 Downtown Design Guidelines, more specifically the newly drafted Chapter 13. Due to the length of the meeting, this item was postponed to another date, to be determined. 7.Updates from staff and reminder that there will be a HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting on Wednesday, November 9 at the Georgetown Municipal Complex but no HARC or HARC Sign Subcommittee meetings on Thursday, November 24 due to the holiday. Those meetings have been rescheduled to Thursday, December 9. 8. Adjournment Rapp adjourned the meeting at 7:47 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommitee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommitee will meet on Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommitee Members: Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; and Sarah Blankenship Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 14 HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at Lost Addition, Block 64 (pt), to be known as Texas Car Title & Payday Loan, located at 1000 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-037) 3.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for October 27, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommitee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommitee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , October 27, 2011. Members Present: Susan Firth, Chair; Dee Rapp; and Sarah Blankenship Members Absent: Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Firth called the meeting to order at 5:32 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 14, 2011 HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting. Rapp asked that in paragraph 3 of page 3, the word is be added to complete the sentence. And the intern’s name should be inserted, Stratton Hrncir, as the co-applicant for 500 S. Austin Avenue on page 2. Motion by Rapp to accept the minutes with the corrections. Second by Firth. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at Lost Addition, Block 64 (pt), to be known as Texas Car Title & Payday Loan, located at 1000 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-037) Wyler presented the staff report. This application is for two flush-mounted wall signs and illumination. The applicant, Jennifer Howard, was present for questions. Firth opened the Public Hearing at 5:38 p.m. and there were no speakers. The Hearing was immediately closed. Blankenship questioned what happened to the original garage doors that were in the application picture. Wyler stated he would look into that and if they were removed without a permit, it would become a code enforcement issue. Rapp questioned the area above the proposed signs and whether there would be enough room for the proposed lights. Ms. Howard stated there was enough room. Blankenship stated that she feels the replaced doors and the proposed signs take away from the character of the building, in direct conflict to Guideline policy that states “a sign should be in character with the material, color and detail of a building.” She suggested shielded neon or single lettering would be more appropriate for this style of a building. She wants to see something that more emphasizes the building elements. Firth commented that she did not think the phone number on the main sign was appropriate, that there should be other signage considered that would have the number. She felt the application was incomplete, needing the total sign package as one application. Motion by Blankenship to table action on the CDC until the next meeting when the applicant can resubmit the other business signs, hours of operation and signage that reflects the building style. (She suggested the applicant Google “art deco gas station”.) Second by Rapp. The applicant questioned whether the colors were okay. Commissioners answered that the colors would be fine in the right context. Approved 3 – 0. 3. Adjournment. Firth adjourned the meeting at 5:45 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommitee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommitee will meet on Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 02:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommitee Members: Susan Firth; David Paul & Nelia Ibsen Schrum Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 02:00 PM The Subcommittee members may attend a pre -application meeting with staff and a future applicant to discuss the submission requirements for a proposed demolition Certificate of Design Compliance. (No action will be taken.) Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, October 25, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommittee will meet on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 at 08:30 AM in the 711 E. 5th Street If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommittee Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. Commissioner(s) in Training: Andy Welch. Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 08:30 AM Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a site visit on Tuesday, October 25, 2011. This is discovery action of a HARC agenda item that will be discussed and action taken on October 27, 2011. The application for 711 E. 5th Street is to demolish a Low-Priority historic house. Commissioners have asked for a site visit of the property before taking action. There will be discussion at the property, but no action will be taken at this time. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission and Main Street Advisory Board City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 13, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission and Main Street Advisory Board will meet on Thursday , October 13, 2011 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission and Main Street Advisory Board Members: HARC Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. HARC Commissioner(s) in Training: Andy Welch. MSAB Members: Denise Jimenez, Chair; Marcy Urban; Karin Truxillo; Linda McCalla; Sue Raguse; and Amanda Parr Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM Training Session - To begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m. This is a special training workshop, open to the public, with attendance from the Historic and Architectural Review Commission and Main Street Advisory Board for discussion on the following: Regular Agenda: 1.Training and discussion by Wesley Morgan and the Texas Historic Commission on the maintenance of wooden windows. 2. Adjournment. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 29, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, September 29, 2011 at 03:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolition Subcommittee Members: Susan Firth; David Paul & Nelia Ibsen Schrum Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 03:00 PM 1.The Subcommittee members may attend a pre-application meeting with staff and a future applicant to discuss the submission requirements for a proposed demolition Certificate of Design Compliance. (No action will be taken.) Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 29, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting will meet on Thursday, September 29, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock; Commissioner in Training: Andy Welch Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM Session - To begin no earlier than 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) This is a special meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Agenda: 1.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on the proposed amendments of the 2001 Downtown Design Guidelines. 2. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 22, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. Commissioner in Training: Andy Welch. Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 25, 2011 Regular HARC meeting and September 1, 2011 Special HARC meeting. Regular Agenda: 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes to a non-historic residence in Old Town in Eubank Addition, Block 4, Lot 15, located at 1801 S. Main Street . (CDC-2011-030) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes, including an addition, to an historic residence in Old Town in Eubank Addition, Block 1, Lot 1 (n/pt), located at 1700 S. Church Street. (CDC-2011-031) 4.Public hearing and possible action on an amendment to a Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC-2011-015) for a change in the approved roofline to a residence in Old Town in Glasscock Addition, Block 14, Lots 5 & 6, located at 407 S. Myrtle Street. (CDC-2011-032) 5.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the addition of a freestanding canopy over an existing playground in Glasscock Addition, Block 21, Lots 7 (n/pt) & 8, also known as Main Street Baptist Church, located at 1001 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-034) 6.Discussion and reminder that their will be no Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on October 12, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and possible Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on October 27, 2011. 7.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on the proposed amendments of the 2001 Downtown Design Guidelines. 8. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 22, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , September 22, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship, Susan Firth, Gregg Herriott, David Paul, Nelia Ibsen Schrum, and Raymond Wahrenbrock Members Absent: Commissioner in Training: Andy Welch Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and HARC liaison; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Stephanie McNickle, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Rapp called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 25, 2011 Regular HARC meeting and the September 1, 2011 Special HARC meeting . Blankenship asked that her statement on the Aug. 25 minutes, page 5, second paragraph, first sentence include “per Guideline 9.17”. And page 7, motion should have passed 4 – 1, with Blankenship opposed. Paul pointed out that some of the votes of Aug 25 minutes were incorrectly stated as Paul and Herriott were absent and not voting. Rapp pointed out three corrections in the Aug 25 minutes; Item 2, page 2 please add “Horick agreed to replace all paneling panels.” Page 5, ”Canyon did not think it would be an issue.” Adding “not”. Page 8, number 7, the letter of support should be drafted in the near future, not “before 2014”. Blankenship noted that in the Sept 1 minutes, on page 1, item 1, 4 th paragraph the last segment of the sentence should be deleted: “Blankenship agreed and appreciates the applicant trying to work with Design Guidelines and to keep the building colors more simplified.” Wahrenbrock recommended changing the word “canopy” to “parapet” in the paragraph following the one above. Motion by Paul to approve the minutes from the August 25, 2011 and September 1, 2011 meetings as amended. Second by Blankenship. Approved 7– 0. (So noted, and minutes changed by recording secretary.) Regular Agenda: 2.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes to a non-historic residence in Old Town in Eubank Addition , Block 4, Lot 15, located at 1801 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-030) Wyler presented the staff report. Applicant was not present. Rapp opened and closed the public hearing with no speakers coming forward. Commissioners asked questions. Wahrenbrock questions the use of a metal awning instead of shingles. Wyler stated it was the owner’s preference. Firth stated that according to the Guidelines 6.25 and 7.8, the steps should maintain the character of the property and fit the scale, she doesn’t feel the narrow steps maintain the overall design of the house, they are too small. She was also concerned about the code requirements for the widths of the steps. Wyler reports the steps appear to be about four feet wide. Paul agrees that a wider top step would appear better. Wahrenbrock recommends the steps be 6 feet wide. Others agree. Comments on limestone underpinning: Blankenship stated she felt wood or brick, or even stucco was more appropriate. Question regarding what type of limestone, Wyler states it will be real limestone used. Motion by Blankenship to approve the CDC for 1801 S. Main Street with recommendation that the width of the steps be widened. Second Greg. (7-0) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes, including an addition, to an historic residence in Old Town in Eubank Addition , Block 1, Lot 1 (n/pt), located at 1700 S. Church Street. (CDC-2011-031) Wyler presented the staff report. Richard Elsasser, the architect and representing the applicants, was present for commissioner questions. He stated the owners do not live in Georgetown at this time. This will be a summer home, but the homeowners plan to retire in this home and are trying to make it conform to the UDC. Staff is concerned that there is an architectural feature being added to the house and that they are proposing encroachment into the setbacks. Elsasser stated the main reason for the porch was to add access to the secondary entrance. e to a foyer/kitchen area and the covering of that porch. The house was built in 1941, designed as a colonial revival which was popular at that time. There was a porch on the home originally located where the master bedroom is now. He also stated that there are problems with the flashing of the existing shingle roof. He stated it is more of an addition to the original design than a change. Rapp stated she was concerned about the rooflines, gables and pitches. Elsasser states that the only change to the roof will be the addition of the porch which will be a hip return, formation roof. The existing situation is staying but adding a bit more pitch to the existing gables. He will go to a 2”/12” formation from a ½”/12”. The material will be changing and some of the rotted wood replaced. Rapp questioned the connection from the garage to the porch. Elsasser stated it will be a covered breezeway. She then questioned the location of the fence. Elsasser stated it will be correct on the site plan, not necessarily as shown on the 3D drawing. Rapp questioned the setback situation. The fence will go on the property line, 18 feet from the street. Rapp questioned leaving the limestone. Elsasser says he believes the owners want to keep the limestone even though it was discovered that it was not original to the house. That is why they are attempting to keep the limestone and wood mix. Paul asked about the limestone to be used and whether it will match the existing. Elsasser says they will try to match the original face, not the 70’s addition. Firth asked if the owners had considered other options to requesting a variance. Elsasser stated that the problem is where the porch extends into the setback by about three feet and to keep the early revival style they need to keep the symmetry, not cut off the angle. Wahrenbrock is concerned about the front elevation on Church Street being different on the side street, so you lose the asymmetrical roof line. He points out that Guideline 7.3 states the “… shall not obscure the architectural features.” Blankenship agrees that the porch wraps around the front and obscures the original structure and appearance of the house. Rapp opened the Public Hearing, no public comments, and the Public Hearing was closed. Elsasser stated he wants to have the least amount of alteration on the front of the house, but still comply with the applicant’s request. He can try to make the front of the house more asymmetrical to work within the Guidelines and with the owner. Rapp explains that the commission is considering the 184 square foot addition at the back of the house, the 8 foot wrap-around porch on three sides of the house and the addition of the columns to the existing porch that will tie it into the wrap-around porch. Motion by Firth to approve the 184 square foot addition at the rear of the residence. Second by Schrum. Approved unanimously, 7 – 0. Wahrenbrock states that the 8 foot porch is only on Cyprus and 17 th Streets and 5 foot on Church Street. Firth states concern that the modification alters the priority level and historic integrity of the house. Wyler and Cook explain that the structure is currently a medium level priority structure now because of the modifications that were previously made, and that changes today could affect the priority level of the house, but that HARC does not have the authority to change the priority level, only approve or deny those items that may eventually affect the level. Cook explained that the Guidelines criteria today do not limit the acceptance of a CDC by HARC based on the future priority level. Blankenship explained that THC standards would not allow the front of the structure to be changed in this manner, but that is not what the Georgetown Guidelines state . Rapp considered the fact that this structure is bordered by three streets which makes this a special situation. She questioned the proposed columns and the use of the limestone materials considering the materials are not original to the house but still historically significant. Blankenship states that the columns should not be visible to the front of the house. The commissioners were still concerned about the proposed roof of the covered porch that covers the front facing of the house and changes the character of the house and considered keeping the porch on only two sides of the house. Motion by Herriott to approve the CDC for the exterior changes for the addition of the porch with the addition of the two 8-foot sides with the Knight and 17 th Street sides and eliminating it (the porch) on the Church Street side and approve the materials and columns as proposed. Second by Paul. Approved unanimously, 7 – 0. Rapp then opens the discussion on the proposed columns. She suggests that the front porch columns tie into the wrap-around porch. The columns should be consistent with the other columns and to consider widening the front steps. Motion by Firth to approve the portion of the CDC to the existing front porch columns to match the side columns and to widen the front concrete porch steps, working with staff on the exact width. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved unanimously, 7 – 0. 4.Public hearing and possible action on an amendment to a Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC-2011-015) for a change in the approved roofline to a residence in Old Town in Glasscock Addition, Block 14, Lots 5 & 6, located at 407 S. Myrtle Street. (CDC-2011-032) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks to amend a Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) approval from HARC to change the approved roof design of an addition to the house. At the July 28, 2011 HARC meeting, the applicant proposed and was approved for a roof design that incorporated a gabled pitch facing Myrtle Street. As a condition of the approval, the applicant was required to center the window under the gable. Due to the location and layout of the kitchen, the window cannot be centered so the applicant is requesting to extend the existing roofline north, over the approved addition rather than adding a gabled pitch. The only item being reviewed by HARC within this application is the design of the roofline. The applicant was present but did not come forward. Rapp opened the Public Hearing. There were not speakers and the Public Hearing was closed. Motion by Firth to approve the revised roof design as proposed for 407 S. Myrtle Street. Second by Schrum. Approved unanimously, 7 – 0. 5.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the addition of a freestanding canopy over an existing playground in Glasscock Addition, Block 21, Lots 7 (n/pt) & 8, also known as Main Street Baptist Church, located at 1001 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-034) Wyler presented the staff report. Due to the deaths of several shade trees in the playground area, the church is requesting approval of a canopy to shade the playground. The applicant. Greg Christianson representing Main Street Baptist Church Building and Grounds Committee, brought in fabric samples for review and a brochure showing the structure and form types. They are requesting the tan or black color for the frame. There was discussion of the structure. Firth questioned whether it was permanent or removable. Mr. Christian said they are going with the anchored but possible removal type of frame. It is sturdily held in place by anchored bolts. Rapp opened the Public Hearing. There were no speakers and the Public Hearing was closed. Motion by Herriott to approve the CDC for the canopy structure as proposed with the Arizona color as brought forward at this meeting and the tan or black posts. Second by Blankenship. Approved unanimously, 7-0. 6.Discussion and reminder that there will be no Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on October 12, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and possible Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on October 27, 2011. 7.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on the proposed amendments of the 2001 Downtown Design Guidelines. Motion by Firth to table this item to a special session scheduled by staff. Second by Paul. Approved 7 - 0. 8. Adjournment. Rapp adjourned the meeting at 7:31p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, September 14, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300-1 Industrial Ave, Georgetown, Texas 78626 If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth; Sarah Blankenship Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 10, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new hanging sign at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8 (e/pt), also known as Farney Daniels, LLP, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue Ste. 200. (CDC-2011-027) 3.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new monument sign at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe, Market and Biergarten site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-028) 4.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for September 22, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, September 14, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , September 14, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth Members Absent: Sarah Blankenship Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Firth called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 10, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. Rapp expressed that the item on 614 E. University was not as clear in the direction that was given to the applicant and staff as they would like. In the discussion about the location of the front door, page 2 of 3, Rapp recommended that the applicant work with staff to direct traffic to the front door in a more clear way, using way finding signs, sandwich boards, etc. There were also more suggestions on putting black edges around not just the windows, but the doors, better designed poles, fascia, signs, and more cohesiveness amongst all the elements. Firth agreed that the extra notes should be added to the minutes. Motion by Rapp to approve the minutes with additional comments. Second by Firth. Approved 2 – 0. 2.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new hanging signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8 (e/pt), also known as Farney Daniels, LLP, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue Ste. 200. (CDC-2011-027) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for a new hanging sign. An existing two-sided Moderate Density Overlay (MDO) wood sign will be refaced with the Farney Daniels LLP design and mounted directly to the existing brackets under the canopy. The sign measures 14.5 inches tall by 70 inches wide, or around 7 square feet. Shown on the provided photo, several other businesses along this stretch of S. Austin Avenue have similar sized hanging signs and the applicant would be replacing a previous tenant’s sign space. No additional signage will be added to the canopy and no additional signage for the business is proposed at this time. Public Hearing was opened by Firth. There were no speakers and the Public Hearing was closed. Frost clarified that the applicant, Mr. Howe from Affordable Signs was available for comment. Rapp started the questions by asking if there were other signs that should be considered. Mr. Howe responded that there were no other signs requested at this time. Firth noted that there were no other signs on the Square that listed the suite number on the sign. Howe explained that since they were the only ones on the second floor they felt it was necessary. There was a discussion of the front lobby situation, with the directory not at the front door but around the corner from the stairs and elevator. Rapp suggests letting the applicant know what the preference of the commission is. They feel it would be a cleaner look without the suite number. Mr. Howe let them know that it was there for the previous tenant. Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC for the sign with the caveat that the preference is that the words “Suite ___, Second floor” not be included for a consistency point of view, but to work with staff so the applicant can be found, possibly by changing the location of the indoor directory. Second by Firth. Approved 2 – 0. 3.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new monument sign at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe, Market and Biergarten site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-028) Wyler presented the staff report. The sign will be installed directly in front the existing biergarten fence and perpendicular to Austin Avenue as shown on the provided site layout. It will be constructed of concrete blocks and then covered with stucco to match the exterior of the Monument Cafe. It will measure 7.5 feet high (including the 18-inch footing) and 8 feet wide, totaling 60 square feet. On the sign will be the names of the three businesses on the property; Monument Cafe in black, Monument Market in black and red, and The Garden Biergarten in black and green. Currently, there is a wall sign along 6th Street for the market, a projecting, neon sign for the cafe and no sign for the biergarten. The applicant wishes to have a single sign advertising all three businesses. No additional signage or lighting is proposed at this time. Staff recommends reducing the base of the footing so that the sign is not higher than six feet tall, which is the permitted height. Rusty Winkstern, Monument owner, and Stratton _____, his intern, were available for discussion. They discussed that they actually wanted to install the footing at ground level, leaving the maximum height of the proposed sign at six feet tall as recommended by staff. Firth opened the Public Hearing. There were no speakers and the Public Hearing was closed. Rapp questioned the color of the rendering of the sign and whether it would match the white of the café building stucco. Winkstern assured her it was the same but was printed slightly darker on the color printer. Rapp questioned the location of the proposed orchard and fence in relation to the sign. She and Firth are both concerned that the sign will not be seen behind the previously approved fence with vines planted on it. Winkstern says this may just be temporary but he wants to advertise the market and biergarten. They discussed several options of location of the sign. Rapp questioned the reason for the fence. Winkstern says the purpose of the fence to keep kids in and going directly from the maze to the biergarten. Rapp and Firth like the sign but feel it is too expensive to not be effective. Winkstern thinks the sign will perform its function in the next months and then will look at it at that time. They all questioned the location of the fence and whether it could be moved. Wyler will look into the original motion. Winkstern will work with Wyler regarding the fence location. Firth questions the need for a Master Sign Plan at this point. Wyler says one exists, but there have been so many changes in the phasing and overall site plan that staff is working with the applicant at this point to permit “temporary” signs. A Master Sign Plan will be redone when the property is completely built out. Firth asked if the sign would be illuminated. Winkstern said he would like to use the same type of gooseneck type of lamps like on the building. Rapp suggested that could be a condition of the motion, to work with staff on the lighting. There was discussion of all the marketing events, happenings and opportunities regarding the Monument. Rapp questioned the color sample of the green to be used on the sign. One was not actually provided. Winkstern suggested it was like a lawn, saint Augustine grass, green. There was a further discussion and decided that the report colors are accurate. Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC with the following conditions: that staff verify the greens to be used on the sign, that the footing be buried and the sign be built to compliance of six feet tall, and that the applicant work with staff on the lighting. Second by Firth. Approved 2 – 0. 4.Adjournment. The next sign subcommittee meeting will be September 22, 2011. Firth adjourned the meeting at 4:36 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, September 7, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee will meet on Wednesday, September 7, 2011 at 02:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee Members: Susan Firth; David Paul & Nelia Ibsen Schrum Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 02:00 PM 1.The Subcommittee members may attend a pre-application meeting with staff and a future applicant to discuss the submission requirements for a proposed demolition Certificate of Design Compliance. (No action will be taken.) Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Called Meeting City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 1, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Called Meeting will meet on Thursday, September 1, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Called Meeting Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM Session - To begin no earlier than 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) This is a special meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Agenda: 1.Consideration and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for approval of a new facade and color scheme to a non-historic structure at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lots 6 & 5 (w/pt), also known as the Metro Mart, located at 1911 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-023) *Tabled from the August 25, 2011 meeting. 2.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on the proposed amendments of the 2001 Downtown Design Guidelines. 3. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 25, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, August 25, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. Commissioner(s) in Training: Andy Welch Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 28, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Regular Agenda: 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for changes to the exterior of the building including updates to the Austin Avenue canopy and rear loading area, the addition of rooftop mechanical units and the addition of lighting at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lots 1 – 2 (pts) & 4 (pt), located at 704 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-022) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes including an addition, facade updates and a new parking layout at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lots 6 & 5 (w/pt), also known as the Metro Mart, located at 1911 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-023) 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the partial demolition of a detached garage in Snyder Addition, Block 42 (n/pt), located at 1502 Olive Street. (CDC-2011-024) 5.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes including a new alley door and the removal of brick at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 8 (w/pt), located at 212 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2011-025) 6.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the addition of a landscape fence to the southeast portion of the property at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe and Market, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-026) 7.Discussion and possible action in regards to support and/or feedback on the topic of the possible conversion of the current police station into the arts center as requested by Commissioner Blankenship. 8.Discussion and reminder that there will be a Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on September 14, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and possible Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on September 22, 2011. 9. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 25, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , August 25, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wahrenbrock Commissioners in Training present: Andy Welch Members Absent: Gregg Herriott; David Paul Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and HARC liaison; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist and Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Rapp called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 28, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Motion by Schrum to approve the minutes from the July 28, 2011 meeting. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriott and Paul absent) Regular Agenda: 2.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for changes to the exterior of the building including updates to the Austin Avenue canopy and rear loading area, the addition of rooftop mechanical units and the addition of lighting at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lots 1 – 2 (pts) & 4 (pt), located at 704 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-022) Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval to complete exterior renovations to the Austin Avenue canopy as part of an overall maintenance project to the building. A similar project was recently approved by HARC for 703 and 705 S. Main Street. First, existing framing shall be repaired and replaced as required to maintain structural integrity. New roof sheathing will be applied prior to installation of new flashing and white roofing membrane. Another change in appearance will be the replacement of the current 4’ x 8’ wooden panels with white bead board. The applicant considers this more time appropriate. All other items, including the replacement of aged tie-rod, fascia and soffit materials, as needed, are considered maintenance and do not require HARC approval. In addition to the canopy maintenance, the applicant proposes adding six (6) four-inch diameter recessed down lights in the soffit of the canopy to provide sidewalk lighting. The applicant also wishes to remove two existing sign lights located at the ends of the canopy and adding a small outdoor mini-light centered on top of the canopy to provide better lighting for the existing tenant wall sign. Next, the applicant will complete updates to the rear, alley-facing, side of the building. An alley door and surrounding infill paneling will be removed and new double wood doors, similar to the existing single door, will be installed. The transom windows above the door will be exposed as part of the project. Colors will remain the same. A concrete stoop will be removed and a new concrete loading dock with ramp and steps will be installed. For safety reasons, a black metal railing will be installed on the loading dock. The new dock and ramp/steps will better serve the tenant and meet path of egress requirements for the exit. An AC unit to the right, south of the back door will be removed and paneling will be installed to match the existing paneling. Lastly, the applicant will install two (2) rooftop mechanical units. The two AC units will be installed and will not be seen from either Austin Avenue or the alley. The applicant has recently completed similar rooftop installations for both 703 and 705 S. Main Street. Rapp stated that the following eight (8) items would need to be decided on: 1)New roof sheathing, flashing and membrane above the canopy 2)New bead board under the canopy 3)Installation of recessed lighting under the canopy 4)Removal of two (2) existing sign lights and the installation of one (1) centered sign light 5)Removal of a rear, single door, paneling, concrete stoop and AC unit 6)Installation of a double door (similar in material and color as the single door). 7)Installation of a concrete loading dock, steps, ramp and railings 8)Installation of two (2) rooftop mechanical units Wahrenbrock asked Horac if there would be adequate space from the dumpster to the street. Horac stated that there would be enough space. Firth suggested that the whole panel be replaced where the air conditioner is going to be removed. Horac stated that it would be replaced. Firth asked if the additional two panels could be replaced as well. Rapp stated that Horac will need similar materials that will match. Rapp stated that the canopy is very wavy and asked if the downspouts are causing the damage on the canopy. Horac did not know for sure what caused the damage but it will be fixed. Firth asked what the material will look like from inside the building. Horac stated that it will be the same color, off-white. Rapp opened the public hearing at 6:11 p.m. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed the public hearing at 6:12 p.m. Motion by Blankenship to approve the CDC for all eight items as proposed. Second by Rapp. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved. Herriott and Paul absent) 3. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes including an addition, facade updates and a new parking layout at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lots 6 & 5 (w/pt), also known as the Metro Mart, located at 1911 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-023) Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval for a new facade and expansion to the non-historic convenience store, updated signs and an alternative parking agreement for the property. First, Mahogany Builders would like to expand the Metro Mart by 383 square feet to allow for more room inside. The expansion will occur on the north side of the building, towards an industrial-style building currently housing a church and will not encroach any closer to residential properties to the east. Part of the expansion includes removing a 70.5 square foot concrete pad on the north property making room for a 10’ x 10’ enclosed dumpster area that will cover a portion of the removed pad but will be further from the property line, meeting all location and dimensional standards. Currently, the dumpster is not enclosed and is located to the south of the building. In addition to the expansion, the Metro Mart’s facade will be updated. Updates include replacing the store front windows with new frames and double pane glass to meet energy requirements. Frames will be bronze in color, similar to the existing ones. The single entry door will be replaced with a double entry door, also bronze in color. Front walls are currently painted wood and will be replaced with stucco, painted Sherwin Williams’ Latte. A new parapet wall will be constructed above the current storefront and centered with the new expansion. A decorative band/cap on the new parapet wall will be painted Sherwin Williams’ Rhumba Orange and French Roast. The north, east and south facing sides of the building, which are currently concrete block, will be covered in stucco and painted to match the front of the building, including the decorative cap. The canopy above the windows and doors, currently white with a red and orange stripe, will be painted French Roast to tie into the decorative cap and “Metro Mart” will be painted in white, centered with the parapet wall. Next, the existing pole sign and canopy along Austin Avenue will receive a new face. Because the sign and canopy are considered legal, non-conforming, their size and location cannot be altered but the City does allow for such structures to be maintained and receive new faces as needed. Both the sign and canopy face will be changed from the current Citgo corporate design to Texaco in lieu of the change in gas providers. The applicant has also requested an alternative parking agreement for the site. The parking on the property is currently undefined. As proposed, new striping, including one required handicap space, will be installed to the south of the building in a concrete area where parking currently occurs. Because the building is being expanded by 383 square feet, the parking requirement per the Unified Development Code (UDC) increases by two stalls bringing the total number of off-street parking spaces required by the City for the use to eight (8) according to the parking calculations. Working with City staff, it was determined that the site currently has four (4) parking stalls, two short of the current requirement of six (6). Because the legal, non-conforming site has been operating with minus two parking stalls, it needs only to compensate for the expansion, hence resulting in the final parking requirement from the City being six (6) parking spaces. Shown on the provided site layout, the applicant has provided four (4) parking spaces to the south of the building. An additional space can be installed in front of the proposed dumpster as well as another at the southeast corner of the property; although these two spaces are not preferred. Per UDC Section 9.02.060.H, HARC may approve any other alternative to providing off-street parking spaces on the site of the proposed subject development if the applicant demonstrates to the satisfaction of the City that the proposed plan will function equally well in protecting surrounding neighborhoods, maintaining traffic circulation patterns and promoting quality urban design than would strict compliance with otherwise applicable off-street parking standards. The applicant has stated there are six (6) spaces under the filling canopy that could be counted towards parking considering many of the convenience store patrons will also fill their car up or could use one of those spaces for parking. The City does not count these six spaces towards the off-street parking. With this being said, the applicant requests HARC count two of the canopy spaces towards the total off-street parking number, resulting in the property meeting the parking requirement without having to place a stall in front of the dumpster and at the southwest corner of the property; both of which are not preferred locations for parking from either the City or applicant. The applicant has been working with City staff on updating driveways as well as curbs and gutters to better tie into 18th Street. Portions of these improvements are located onsite and require HARC approval. Currently, there is no curb and gutter but rather one continuous concrete approach onto the property which poses a threat to patrons on site. The applicant, with the aid of the City’s Development Engineer, has proposed a layout that will suffice for engineering and transportation standards. Mahogany Builders is currently going through site plan review with the City and awaits HARC’s final decision before moving forward and finalizing those details. All other required permits will be obtained prior to commencement of the project. Applicant who is representing the property, Hillary “or” Butch Canyon stated that he wants to take the old structure and make it look new, while keeping the Old Town feel. Canyon states that it will be an asset to add parking spaces to the site. Board discussed the following five (5) items: 1)A 383 foot expansion to the north of the existing building. 2)New Facade and paint colors. 3)Site layout, including a new enclosed dumpster area. 4)Refacing the pole sign and filling canopy. 5)Alternative parking agreement allowing two spaces under the filling canopy to be counted towards the off-street parking count. Rapp stated that she was having a hard time getting a feel for the depth of the 383 foot expansion. Canyon stated that he was adding 11 feet to the end of the building. Rapp asked how close this will put the building from the curb. Canyon stated that he would be about 5 feet from the curb. Blankenship stated the signage does not coordinate with the building colors. Blankenship asked if red could be incorporated to go with the building. Canyon did think it would be an issue. Blankenship suggested making the very top line of the sign red, the “Metro Mart” black, and leave the existing orange. Canyon stated that he had no problem making the changes. Firth asked if the dumpster structure would be stucco and if there will be a gate around it. Canyon stated it would be stucco and there would be a natural colored wooden gate. The stucco color would be painted same as the Metro Mart. Rapp asked if the color around the design on the canopy was grey. Canyon stated it was black. The only grey is on the poles. Firth stated that the poles should match the black on the canopy. Rapp asked if the spaces underneath the canopy would be used towards the required six (6) parking spaces if the applicant chooses to utilize it as parking space. Wyler stated it will not count towards the six (6). Rapp opened the Public Hearing at 6:45. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed the Public Hearing at 6:46. Motion by Wahrenbrock to approve the 383sq ft expansion to the north side of the building with the condition that the light be retained under the canopy. Second by Schrum. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) Motion by Firth to table item regarding the new façade and paint colors to come up with other options. Second by Blankenship. Approved 4 – 1. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Wahrenbrock approved; Schrum opposed; Herriott Paul absent) Motion by Rapp to approve the site layout for the dumpster area. Second by Blankenship. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) Motion amended. Motion by Rapp to approve the amendment. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) Motion by Rapp to approve the original motion while adding that the applicant work with Staff regarding the fence. Second by Blankenship. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) Motion by Firth to approve the parking under the canopy with addition to painting the poles to match the sign. Second by Blankenship. Approved 4 – 1. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Wahrenbrock approved; Schrum opposed; Herriott Paul absent.) Motion amended. Motion by Blankenship to change the color of the poles to black if it fits into Texaco’s corporate signage. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 4 – 1. (Rapp, Blankenship, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Firth opposed; Herriott Paul absent.) Motion by Blankenship to approve the parking agreement allowing two spaces under the Canopy. Second by Rapp. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) 4. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the partial demolition of a detached garage in Snyder Addition, Block 42 (n/pt), located at 1502 Olive Street. (CDC-2011-024) Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval to remove two sliding wooden doors as part of a renovation project to the historic detached garage. The applicant states that her intentions are to repair and reuse the existing garage that has fallen into disrepair. The property is listed as a Low-Priority Historic Structure according to the Georgetown Historic Resources survey. The applicant states the original garage was expanded sometime after 1936 to its current configuration, minus the addition of the street-facing window where one of the two subject doors has already been removed. The overall project includes removing the two doors and keeping one half open for a carport. The picture above shows the project underway with one of the doors removed and a wall with window installed. The applicant will place metal siding along all sides of the garage, over the existing wood which is severely weathered and will proceed with completing other maintenance items to the structure to ensure it is safe for use. Per UDC standards, the applicant needs only to request CDC approval from HARC for the removal of the two wooden doors facing 15th Street. The remainder of the project, including the siding mentioned above, can be permitted without special approval from the Commission and is not part of this application. Firth stated that the applicant has proved that the doors were not original to the structure and is in bad shape. Rapp opened Public Hearing at 7:03. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed the Public Hearing at 7:04. Motion by Firth to approve the CDC as presented. Second by Schrum. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) 5. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes including a new alley door and the removal of brick at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 8 (w/pt), located at 212 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2011-025) Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval to replace a damaged, inoperable door on the backside of the building leading to a rear alley. This request is part of a larger project that includes interior renovations to the building. Due to prior construction improvements to the alley, the existing door cut is now below the grade of a concrete patio, resulting in the door being allowed to swing only inward, creating a safety hazard. As a public health and safety issue, this door, in its current configuration, cannot be used as an additional fire exit. The applicant would like to raise the door cut to where the door could swing outward, taking away any safety concerns and replacing the aged, unoriginal door with a flush metal door, like seen next door. This will require approximately 12 inches of brick above the current door to be removed for the new door cut. Applicant agent, and builder,Tim Todd, stated that the door is not useable. The new proposed door will be a fire door. The entire wall is masonry and there is no wood structure at all. Todd stated that there was originally a glass insert in the door at one time and was eventually replaced with plywood. Motion by Blankenship to approve the CDC as presented. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) 6.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the addition of a landscape fence to the southeast portion of the property at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe and Market, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-026). Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval to install a four foot metal ornamental landscape fence, painted black, at the southeast corner of the property. The fence will be directly in front of the biergarten where a future orchard is proposed and around a recently planted grassy area as shown on the provided site layout. The same style of ornamental fencing was recently approved around the urban garden located at the northwest corner of the property. Motion by Firth to approve the CDC as presented. Second by Schrum. Approved 5 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriot and Paul absent.) 7.Discussion and possible action in regards to support and/or feedback on the topic of the possible conversion of the current police station into the arts center as requested by Commissioner Blankenship. Eric Lashly, Director of the Georgetown Public Library, spoke on behalf of the City’s Arts and Culture Board. The Board has made a recommendation to create a visual arts center downtown. The primary focus is on the police station and will be available in 2014. Jane ?? believes that the police station is a unique building and can become an anchor to the square. There is a low to no cost solution to this idea that only requires the support of the community. Wyler stated that staff would work with HARC to come up with a letter of support to move forward with this idea prior to 2014. 8. Discussion and reminder that there will be a Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on August 10, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and possible Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on September 14, 2011. 9. Adjournment. Rapp adjourned the meeting at 7:48 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Site visit City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, August 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Site visit will meet on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 at 08:30 AM in the 1502 Olive Street, Georgetown, TX 78626 If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Site visit Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. Commissioner(s) in Training: Andy Welch Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 08:30 AM Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a site visit on Wednesday August 24, 2011. This is a discovery action of a HARC agenda item that will be discussed and action taken on August 25, 2011. The application for 1502 Olive Street is to remove two historic doors on a detached garage. Commissioners have asked for a site visit of the property before taking action. There will be discussion at the property, but no action will be taken at this time. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, August 10, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth; Sarah Blankenship Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 8, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at Dimmit Addition, Block 83 (pt), also known as Arts Avenue for Kids, located at 614 E. University Avenue. (CDC-2011-021) 3.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Sub Committee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, August 10, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Sub Committee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , August 10, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth Members Absent: Sarah Blankenship Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Avery Craft, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Dee Rapp called the meeting to order at 4:05 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 8, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Firth to accept the minutes as presented. Second by Rapp. Approved 2 – 0 (Approved; Rapp and Firth; Blankenship absent). 2.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at Dimmit Addition, Block 83 (pt), also known as Arts Avenue for Kids, located at 614 E. University Avenue. (CDC-2011-021) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for a projecting sign and window lettering. First, the applicant proposes a double-sided projecting sign above the entrance door. The 3 foot tall by 5 foot wide aluminum sign will be installed on a black metal bracket and attached to the north side of the building, directly above the awning and below an existing, aged L-bracket. Detailed below and within the application materials, it will read “Arts Avenue for Kids” in a decorative red and black font with a child’s silhouette below and a red border surrounding both the lettering and silhouette. Next, the applicant would like to install four (4) window signs. The first will be identical in appearance to the projecting sign, minus the red border, and will measure 36 inches tall by 30 inches wide. Additionally, contact information will be placed below the main lettering as shown on the provided rendering. The three other windows to the west will depict services provided by the business in the same font as the main sign with an associated image below. In all, each window sign will measure 36 inches tall by 24 inches wide. Lastly, the applicant has included a proposal to paint the existing metal canopy poles black to match the new signage. Shown on the photo, there are two rusted poles that would receive the new paint. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the new signs as proposed by the applicant with the consideration that the window signs are all four centered on the associated window to ensure a consistent and appropriate look across the business front. Rapp asked applicant, Vicki Henderson, if she had anything to say about her sign. Henderson stated that she chose red and black as the colors of her sign because the logo has always been those colors. Firth asked what will be on the door. Henderson stated the address will be included on the door. Firth stated that she does not think that the door looks like it is part of the business. Firth recommends also adding a smaller version of the logo on the door so people can associate where the entrance is. In addition, Firth recommended adding the hours of operation. Rapp asked applicant about the location of the entrance of the business. Henderson stated that the main entrance will be the entrance in the rear of the building. Rapp recommends that applicant work with staff on the current location of the main entrance. Rapp stated that because the building is somewhat bland looking, there should be a black edge around the windows or signs. Henderson stated that she liked the idea. Wyler stated that because this idea is not part of the motion, applicant will work with staff at a later time. Firth suggested putting an A-frame sign on the both the University Avenue entrance and the 18th Street entrance. Rapp stated that she wanted the signs to be centered and bolder. Motion by Firth to approve the CDC as written and request that the graphics on the windows be centered and where the existing hanger that is going to be removed, the masonry patched and painted to match. Second by Rapp. Approved 2-0 (Approved; Firth and Rapp; Blankenship absent) 3.Adjournment Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Design Guideline Review City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, August 10, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Design Guideline Review will meet on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 at 05:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Design Guideline Review Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock. Commissioner in Training: Andy Welch Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:00 PM This is a Workshop of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission , appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, which is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. 1.Review and Discussion with possible direction to staff on the proposed amendments of the 2001 Downtown Design Guidelines. 2.Adjournment. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, July 28, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, July 28, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 27, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Regular Agenda: 2. Public hearing and possible action to amend a Certificate of Design Compliance to change the approved color of paint on a fence at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe/Market site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006) *This item has been forwarded from the June 23, 2011 regular meeting. 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for minor changes to the front exterior of the building and the addition of lighting at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (s/pt), also known as All Things Kids, located at 703 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-013) 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for minor changes to the front exterior of the building and the addition of lighting at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 3 (n/pt), also known as Ken’z Guitars, located at 705 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-014) 5.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the addition and exterior changes to a residence at Glasscock Addition, Block 14, Lots 5 & 6, located at 407 S. Myrtle Street. (CDC-2011-015) 6.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance to repaint the facade, replace the awnings and change the business signage at City of Georgetown, Block 52, Lot 3 (s/pt), also known as Razmataz Salon, located at 805 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-016) 7.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance to demolish an existing non-historic house and accessory shed in Old Town at Glasscock Addition, Block 30, Lots 5 & 6(e/pt), located at 410 E. 7 th Street. (CDC-2011-017) 8.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes including maintenance and changes to the display cases at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 4 (n/pt) & Lot 5 (s/pt), also known as the Palace Theatre, located at 810 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-018) 9.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes and new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7 (sw/pt), to be known as Square Books, located at 719 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-019) 10.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a non-historic structure and addition of site features at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lot 4, located at 614 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-020) 11.Discussion and reminder that their will be a Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on August 10, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and possible Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on August 25, 2011. 12. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, July 28, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , July 28, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wahrenbrock Commissioners in Training present: Andy Welch Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and HARC liaison; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist and Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Rapp called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 27, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Rapp asked that the wording for Wahrenbrock’s statement on page two, paragraph five, line one be changed from “Wahrenbrock stated that the board will not be taking any action in the removal of the building until someone is lined up to take the property” to “Wahrenbrock asked if the board will be taking any action in the removal of the building until someone is lined up to take the property.” Motion by Paul to approve the minutes from the June 27, 2011 meeting with the correction. Second by Blankenship. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved.) Regular Agenda: 2.Public hearing and possible action to amend a Certificate of Design Compliance to change the approved color of paint on a fence at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe/Market site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006) *This item has been forwarded from the June 23, 2011 regular meeting. Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks to amend a Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) approval from HARC to change the approved color of the biergarten fence from mahogany to dark green. At the March 24, 2011 meeting, the applicant received approval to construct the woven fence with the condition it be painted mahogany. Now, the applicant wishes to amend the original color approval to allow the current color dark green. He states the dark green matches the color scheme of the market. Staff recommends approval to amend the Certificate of Design Compliance to change the biergarten fence color from mahogany to dark green. Firth and Blankenship questioned why the applicant requested changing the already approved color of dark green to mahogany. (The approved color was mahogany and the requested change was to dark green.) Rapp stated that she prefers the mahogany color but has gotten used to the new proposed dark green after driving by the property. Rapp opened a public hearing at 6:10 p.m. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed public hearing at 6:11 p.m. Motion by Paul to approve the dark green color. Second by Schrum. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved.) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for minor changes to the front exterior of the building and the addition of lighting at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (s/pt), also known as All Things Kids, located at 703 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-013) This agenda item, along with the following agenda item (items 3 and 4) were presented together; as they both seek the same approval for their businesses next door to each other. Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval to complete minor exterior renovations to the Main Street canopy as part of an overall maintenance project to the building. First, the canopy will be stripped of existing, non-historic metal roofing as well as the soffit and drainage material. New roof sheathing will be applied prior to installation of new flashing and white roofing membrane. The membrane serves as weather proofing for the canopy to prevent the wooden roof from rotting. All other items, including the replacement of aged tie-rod, fascia and soffit materials, as needed, are considered maintenance and do not require HARC approval. Next, existing PVC downspouts, unoriginal to the historic structure, will be removed and replaced with more appropriate metal downspouts and painted to match the existing ones. Lastly, the applicant proposes adding five (5) four-inch diameter recessed down lights in the soffit of the canopy to provide sidewalk lighting. An existing hanging light will be removed and the electrical wires will be used to serve the proposed recessed lights. The applicant also wishes to add a small outdoor mini-light on top of the canopy to provide lighting for the existing tenant wall sign. A similar style mini-light, as well as under-canopy recessed lighting, can be seen at 713 S. Main Street, a few buildings to the south. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance as proposed by the applicant with the consideration the applicant keep the existing under-canopy light fixture as a decorative piece, even if it is not used specifically for lighting. Ken Horac, one of the owners of All Things Kids, opted to leave the hanging lights in lieu of wall mounted lights at the request of the board. Horac decided to address the canopies first, and then address the recessed lighting. Firth asked what the material is in the recessed lighting. Horac stated the material is metal and plastic. Rapp asked what the roof of the canopy will look like. Horac stated that the roof will look the same; however, the metal roofing will go away because it is not historical and extremely difficult to waterproof. It will be a flat, white membrane roof, which will help minimize leaking issues. Rapp asked about the soffit lighting. Blankenship referenced guidelines 4.1 (Avoid removing or altering any significant architectural detail) and 4.9 (Replacement of missing or deteriorated details shall be based on original features. Blankenship asked if the storefront glass is original, because the waves in the glass are indicative of historic glass. Horac stated that the glass is original float glass that is very hard to come by. Blankenship encouraged that Horac keep the glass, as it is historic. Blankenship referenced guideline 5.7 (consider removing materials that cover original siding). Blankenship encouraged Horac to look into removal of the corrugated metal above the transom windows. Rapp asked if Staff thinks that the light under the canopy enhances the look of the front of the business. Wyler stated that Staff believes the lighting brightens up the Square and are in favor of it. Horac stated that it will not be an issue to keep the lighting. Rapp opened a public hearing at 6:28 p.m. Rapp closed the public hearing at 6:29 p.m. Motion by Blankenship to approve with the condition that the light be retained under the canopy. Second by Rapp. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved.) 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for minor changes to the front exterior of the building and the addition of lighting at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 3 (n/pt), also known as Ken’z Guitars, located at 705 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-014) Rapp opened public hearing 6:30 p.m. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed public hearing 6:31 p.m. Wahrenbrock asked if the lighting will be the same at Kenz Guitars as at 703 S. Main Street. Horac stated that Kenz has a hole in the canopy and the lights are hanging higher. This is because the building widths are different. Herriot asked if the PVC will go back to metal. Horac stated that it will be going back to metal. Motion by Blankenship to approve with the retention of the hanging light under the canopy. Second by Paul. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved.) 5.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the addition and exterior changes to a residence at Glasscock Addition, Block 14, Lots 5 & 6, located at 407 S. Myrtle Street. (CDC-2011-015) Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks CDC approval for the renovation and addition to their single-family, Low-Priority historic residence located in the Old Town Historic Overlay. Some of these changes to the house, detailed below in the report, are to the front facade, thus requiring CDC approval before work can be permitted. The applicant intends to move their family into the residence and to make it their primary home. After doing significant research on the property and surrounding neighborhood, they feel the alterations planned will be similar and consistent with other homes in the area from the same period, while greatly improving the street appearance, energy efficiently and livability of the home. Throughout the years, this home has gone through many renovations and additions. From approximately 2000 to 2011, the owners made many changes, one of which included replacing the asbestos siding with shiplap wood-grain concrete siding, unoriginal to the house. Detailed further in the applicant’s supporting materials, there have been two major additions to the original historic house. Sometime between 1950 and 2000, a 289 square foot addition was added to the north side of the building. Around 2000, approximately 747 square feet was added to the east side of the original home. This CDC submission is for three primary modifications to the property that require HARC approval. The applicant proposes to extend the current 4’x4’ porch to become a wrap-around porch, extend the north side of the house seven (7) feet while adding a gable on the roof, installing a box window for the kitchen and replacing a window with an additional exterior door. First, the applicant proposes to extend the current 4’x4’ porch facing Myrtle Street to become a wrap-around porch. The current porch, in disrepair, is in need of having the pine posts replaced. The construction date of the current porch is unknown. The plan is to extend this porch to wrap around the south side of the house. This can be found on other similar style homes in the neighborhood. Photographs have been provided in the supporting materials showing other properties in Old Town Georgetown with similar style porches. The applicant states that the south side of the house has no shade and the walls have little insulation. Adding the porch will increase the energy efficiency of the property without impacting the overall design or street appeal. Brick bases with wood beam columns will be used to support the roof and standard wooden rails will be installed as well. A neighboring home on 5th Street has a similar style covered porch. Renderings as well as color samples have been provided in the application. Next, the applicant proposes to extend the north side of the house seven (7) feet and add a gable roof and box window for the kitchen. Detailed renderings of both the roof and window are attached to the report. The portion of the house that will receive the addition is not original to the home and was added sometime between 1950 and 2000 and is set back from the original building line by approximately two (2) feet. The applicant intends to extend the length of this section by seven (7) feet to allow for a larger kitchen and dining area. The applicant will use the same height and type of materials of the current house. With the addition, a gabled roof will be installed above the kitchen area, which will match the cross-gabled roof on the south side of the house. The current double-hung window in the kitchen will be replaced with a box window that will tie in with the other windows on the house. It is stated that the addition of the box window will not only provide additional room in the kitchen, but will add architectural interest to this portion of the house that is currently unattractive due to a farm gate, exposed plumbing and an unpaved driveway. Lastly, the applicant proposes to replace a south-facing window with an exterior door. On the west end of the 5th Street side of the house (south facing), the intent is to replace the current large, vertical window with a main entry door. The style, size and trim of the door will be similar to the rest of the home and with other homes in the area. The home has a foyer room behind this window, which, according to the applicant, is too small to be used for a bedroom or study. By altering one wall in the room, it can be turned into a usable foyer. Proposed styles of doors have been provided in the submission materials. Although the doors are shown as stained oak, the applicant states they will paint the door to match the trim of the home. The current entrance door facing Myrtle Street will be replaced with a window, matching adjacent ones in style and color on the west side of the house. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance as proposed by the applicant for both the wrap-around porch and north-side addition, including the gabled roof and box window. Although the covered porch was never historically a part of the house, the applicant have given logical reason for the appropriateness of the addition including to aid in energy efficiency and because the original home has had two past additions, which resulted in its Low-Priority historic classification in the Historic Resources Survey. The applicant will maintain the original house and placing a covered porch, typical for Old Town Georgetown, seems appropriate. The addition to the north side of the house is also appropriate given that that portion of the house is not original and was built sometime between 1950 and 2000. Detailed within the submission materials, all setback and design standards are being respected and the addition, including the box window and gabled roof, appropriately ties in with the rest of the house. The third item, the replacement of a window with a door, may not be appropriate. It is discouraged to replace original historic features, such as a window, with something different. Although the proposed entrance door would complement the house significantly, it is taking away a feature from what is remaining of the original house. Staff understands the applicant’s reasoning behind the proposal and asks HARC and the applicant to discuss this specific item further before making a decision. Mentioned in Guideline 4.2 above, if HARC finds the replacement of the south-facing window with an entrance door appropriate, the applicant should use the original window in place of the current Myrtle Street door that would be removed and converted to a window. This would at least preserve the window even if it is in a different location. Sarah Milburn moved to Georgetown in 1994 with her husband, John, looking for an old home to renovate and possibly turn into a Bed and Breakfast. The Milburn’s bought 1008 E. University and spent six years renovating it before selling it to the Wiley’s, who turned it into what is now the San Gabriel House Bed and Breakfast run by Dee Rapp. The Milburn’s recently purchased 407 S. Myrtle and now want to make some adjustments to the home. They want to place a porch with a rocker on the south side of the home to block out the sun that goes to that side of the home. They also want to knock out the wall and add an additional entry. Rapp asked if the depth on the porch on the Myrtle Street side is going to stay the same. Milburn stated that the depth will stay the same. Firth asked if the entry porch (Myrtle side) will be removed. Applicant stated that the porch will be removed because it is rotting. Milburn addressed parking. The city has done a traffic study and determined that there can be a curb cut. It will be in the proper set back on the proper side. Firth asked if the box window will be centered on the gable. Milburn stated that it will be centered. Firth asked why Milburn was replacing the dining room window. Milburn stated that she wanted to put the seating on the other side that the window would be in front of. Firth asked why that window is not like the rest of the windows on that side of the house. Milburn stated that the size of the window is slightly different. Blankenship stated that the front facade is a simple folk Victorian house and she can see why Milburn was drawn to the house. Blankenship stated the existing addition is a good one but had issues with the proposed one competing with the historic portion of the building. Blankenship referenced Design Guidelines 7.4 & 7.8 which address an addition being subordinate to the original building. By adding a cross gable roof, the historic facade is diminished. Blankenship would prefer to see the extended long roof or the addition in the back so it does not take away from the historic facade. Milburn stated that only a fifth of the house is historical and the part she wants to change is not historic. Blankenship addressed the changing of the entrances. Blankenship asked Milburn if the goal is to get closer to the garage. Milburn confirms that is the goal. Blankenship states that the removal of the historic door goes against numerous design guidelines including 7.7, 6.12, 6.13, 4.2 . Blankenship asks if the door can be added to one of the bedrooms on the addition. Milburn does not like the idea because the room is going to be used as a guest room. Blankenship addressed the porch. Although the porch is an addition, it does fit the Folk Victorian house well with its simple “Shed-Style Porch”. The proposal does change that. Blankenship asked if the porch can be left as is with a separate long porch added on the south side or extend the length of the wrap around porch so it is at least balanced on the front façade of the historic building. Milburn does not have a problem with the idea of extending the length of the wrap around porch. Rapp opened public hearing at 7:30 p.m. Tim Todd came forward to speak. Todd, a local building contractor, has been working with the Milburn’s on this project . He has worked on numerous historic homes here in Georgetown and understands how to keep homes historic. Todd thinks that the two additions are not keeping with historic and therefore, do not need to be preserved. Todd believes the gable addition will enhance the side of the property and give It a historic look. Rapp closed the public hearing at 7:33 p.m. Wehrenbock stated that he wants to keep current front door on the Myrtle side and keep the original front porch and not extend the wrap around. If the porch does wrap around then removing the handrails would give a true view of what the house looked like originally. Motion by Rapp that the original door and porch area that exists facing Myrtle today be retained in the future plans. Second by Paul. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved.) Motion by Firth that HARC allow applicant to replace the window on the southwest side of the house with an additional exterier door that is historic in appearance while working with Staff for final details. Second by Paul. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved.) Motion by Blankenship to approve the addition of the porch with the option to extend it to the break in the house on the Myrtle side with no railings on the Myrtle side and railings on the 5th Street side where needed while working with Staff to determine porch length. Second by Paul. Approved 6 – 1. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum approved; Wahrenbrock opposed.) Motion by Paul to allow the 7 foot addition on the north side of the house. Second by Schrum. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum approved, Wahrenbrock) Motion by Blankenship to approve the new roof line with the cross gable, the box window centered while retaining the existing double window at the height it is, with the alternative option to put in two single windows that are evenly spaced, working with Staff. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 7 – 0 (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved.) 6.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance to repaint the facade, replace the awnings and change the business signage at City of Georgetown, Block 52, Lot 3 (s/pt), also known as Razmataz Salon, located at 805 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-016) Herriot recused himself from the meeting. Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) approval to make some minor exterior changes to her business storefront. First, the applicant proposes painting the doors, framing, trim and drainage pipes on the lower part of the building, as well as the window frames and trim upstairs black. In short, what is currently a dark green on the building will be changed to black. The red accent lining on the windows will be changed to gold. Next, the awning above the upper story windows will be changed to all black and the main level awning will be changed to the black and gold pattern shown on the provided rendering. The new awnings will be sewn into the existing metal frames. Lastly, the Razmataz sign will be updated to match the new colors of the building. The backdrop will be the same gold seen on the gold lining proposed around the windows and the words “Razmataz Salon” will be changed to black along with the sign’s border. The size, material and location of the sign will remain the same. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance to repaint exterior features of the building, replace the current awnings and to update the business sign, as proposed by the applicant. Firth asked if the window signs were being changed as well as the building sign. Wyler stated that the flush mounted wall sign was going to be the only sign to change. Firth stated that at some point she would like the applicant to consider changing the green front doors to the building because all of the doors should match. This would include the door to the apartment upstairs. Thad and Grace Bergstrom from Razmataz stated that they attempted to replace the doors in the past but were not permitted because they were told the doors are historic. Blankenship believes the doors are not historic. Wahrenbrock suggested that the galvanized pipe be painted the color of the building so that it does not stand out and fades into the building. Thad Berstrom stated that he did not think that would be a problem. Rapp opened public hearing at 8:05 p.m. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed the public hearing at 8:06 p.m. Motion by Schrum to approve the Certificate of DC to repaint the facade and the awning, replace the awnings and change the business signage, and repaint the galvanized pipe to match the building. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 6 – 0 (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Herriott recused himself.) Herriott returned to the dias. 7.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance to demolish an existing non-historic house and accessory shed in Old Town at Glasscock Addition, Block 30, Lots 5 & 6(e/pt), located at 410 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2011-017) Firth recused herself from the meeting. Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) approval to demolish an 884 square foot non-historic house built in 1970 as well as a non-historic metal shed. The demolition of the house is the first step in a plan to combine two lots (410 E. 7th Street and 611 S. Elm Street) and to build a single-family home on the center of the lot that is appropriate to Old Town. After having a follow-up meeting with members of the Demolition Subcommittee, the attached materials were requested and have been provided with this application. Although HARC is not approving the design of the future structure, the applicant has provided renderings of similar style homes that will replace the subject structure as well as a proposed site layout. Like any residential project, this project will need to obtain all required permits before demolition and construction can commence and meet all development regulations of the Unified Development Code. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of the non-historic house and metal shed. Rapp opened the public hearing at 8:16 p.m. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed the public hearing at 8:17 p.m. Rapp stated that she thinks the lot looks very rough and the neighborhood would benefit from having another house built. The house is very small and in bad shape. After the scheduled site visit, Rapp determined that it was not a significant home. Rapp and Wahrenbrock agreed that demolishing structures near the 50 year mark should be handled with caution. Blankenship made a motion to approve demolition. Rapp 2nd. Motion by Blankenship to approve the demolition. Second by Rapp. Approved 6 – 0 (Rapp, Blankenship, Herriott Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Firth recused herself.) Item number 10 followed item number 7, as it shared the same applicant. 8.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes including maintenance and changes to the display cases at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 4 (n/pt) & Lot 5 (s/pt), also known as the Palace Theatre, located at 810 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-018) Wyler presented staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) approval to make some minor exterior changes to the theatre as part of an overall maintenance project. First, the applicant proposes covering a telephone wire running down the front of the facade with a 1”x1” encasement to be painted the same color as the stucco. Currently, the wires are exposed as shown on a provided photo and this encasement would screen the wires from street view. Next, two (2) non-historic wooden display cases, installed sometime after 2001 to the left and right of the theatre entrance doors, will be replaced with new Bass Industries Edgeline anodized aluminum satin silver and black display cases measuring 53.5 inches tall by 33-3/16 inches wide by 4 inches deep, slightly larger than the current ones. The new cases will be installed in the same locations and a photo has been provided showing the current wooden case and a proposed aluminum case on the building. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the minor exterior changes, as proposed by the applicant. Rapp asked why reducing the appearance of exposed electrical wire would be a HARC issue. Wyler stated that it is because they are adding on a feature. Firth asked if there is a reason why the applicant is replacing the wood cases with metal cases. Applicant Bob Kostka stated that the wooden case is old and falling apart. It was determined that the metal case would be more appropriate and attractive. Rapp asked what the electrical wire was going to be encased in. Kotska stated that it would be a metal casing and painted to blend into the theatre. Motion by Herriott to approve the CDC to add the wire covering and change the display cases. Second by Blankenship. Approved 7 – 0 (Rapp, Firth, Blankenship, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved) 12.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior changes and new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7 (sw/pt), to be known as Square Books, located at 719 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-019) Blankenship recused herself. Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) approval from HARC for the restoration of the storefront including replacing the existing blue awning with a more original wooden canopy and exposing the transom windows. The applicant also proposes signage for the new business within, Square Books. The existing weathered blue awning over the sidewalk will be removed and replaced with a wood canopy painted off-white to match the adjacent wood canopies along Main Street. The new canopy will be attached using metal turnbuckles (tie rods) and painted the same color. Beam board will be used underneath and a metal roof made of galvanized aluminum will be placed above as seen on other canopies on the square. With the removal of the blue awning, original transom windows will be exposed and bring the building back to its original appearance, as shown on a provided historic photo of the Dimmit Building. Special steps will be taken to preserve the original transom windows and integrity of the building. The applicant has worked closely with the Texas Historical Commission during the planning of this project. Next, new signage is proposed. Formerly “Hill Country Bookstore”, “Square Books” will be the new tenant. The applicant proposes three types of signs for the business. First, one double-sided hanging sign measuring two (2) feet tall by four (4) feet wide is proposed. This sign will be installed under the proposed wooden canopy, perpendicular to Main Street and just to the west of the entrance door at the corner of the building. It will be hung with a metal bracket typical for Downtown and will provide a 7.5 foot clearance underneath. The sign will read “Square Books” in the business’s font, layout and colors as shown on the provided renderings. “Square” will be in a light green (sample provided) and “Books”, along with a thin border, will be black. The backdrop for the sign will be white. Secondly, a two-sided A-frame portable sign is proposed. The sign, made of Moderate Density Overlay (MDO) wood will be similar to those recently approved around the Square. It will measure three (3) feet tall by two (2) feet wide and will be white with a black border with the “Square Books” logo on the top half and a chalkboard below. The green and black “Square Books” vinyl logo will also be installed on five Main Street windows. The green on the vinyl will be slightly darker than the painted green on the hanging sign. A color sample has been provided. Each sign will be centered on the window and will measure sixteen square inches, well below the maximum allowance of 30% coverage. In addition to the window signs, the right entrance door will receive the same vinyl logo with the left door window having the hours of operation centered in white vinyl. Each door sign will measure ten square inches, approximately 9% of each window. Per a rendering provided by the Texas Historical Commission, the applicant would like to add individual iron lettering reading “Square Books” across the top of the canopy as depicted in some of the provided photos. Because an agent has yet to be found who could construct this sign, final details could not be provided with this application, but the applicant strongly wishes to install something like this in the near future. The applicant has asked HARC to consider this sign as part of the application even though final details have not been provided. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the removal and replacement of the cloth awning with a wood canopy and tie-rods in addition to the window, A-frame and hanging signs, as proposed by the applicant and strongly encourages the applicant to consider installing recessed under-canopy lighting, like proposed at 703 & 705 S. Main Street. Additionally, staff considers the proposed iron letters attached to the canopy appropriate, but would prefer this specific request be taken to the HARC Sign Subcommittee for approval when final details are known. HARC may also approve conditions on size, material and location for the canopy lettering and once the applicant has decided on a final design, give staff the ability to administratively approve it. Rapp opened the public hearing at 8:55 p.m. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed the public hearing at 8:56 p.m. Rapp addressed the signs. The A-Frame sign falls within the color schemes for the Square and the size is appropriate. Motion by Paul to approve the A-Frame sign with the new colors and chalk board. Second by Wahrenbrock. Approved 6 – 0 (Rapp, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved) Rapp addressed the hanging sign. There is only one hanging sign and it is a small sign. Business owner, Preston Stone, explained that it would be hard to put up an additional visible sign along the street because there is a large tree that takes up most of the space. Motion by Firth to approve the CDC for the hanging signs and give the applicant the option to hang a second sign on 8th Street if they find its necessary. Second by Rapp. Approved 6 – 0 (Rapp, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved) Rapp addressed the window and door signage. Rapp likes the look and the repetitiveness on the glass and thinks it would be a good look for the square. Firth asks if the applicant will put any additional information on the door such as the hours of operation or “Open” and “Closed.” Motion by Firth to approve the CDC for the window and door signage as presented. Second by Herriott. Approved 6 – 0 (Rapp, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved) Dee addressed the canopy. Firth stated that she thinks the style is a great improvement from the blue awning. Dee stated that it is very beneficial to the Square to have lighting underneath the canopy. Applicant Sarah Stone stated that they will be putting lighting under the canopy. Herriott asked if the lights would be going underneath the awning. Stone stated that it will look like another business’ lighting at The Escape, two doors down. Wyler stated that he does not mind the recessed lighting. Firth asked what is going to be put on top of the wood. Stone stated it will be galvanized aluminum. This will prevent leaking. Motion by Firth to approve the CDC for the awning with the roofing material, whether corrugated, galva loom or smooth decking and light fixtures , whether recessed or under the canopy and are subject to architect and Staff approval. Second by Rapp. Approved 6 – 0 (Rapp, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved) Blankenship returned to the dias. 12.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a non-historic structure and addition of site features at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lot 4, located at 614 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-020) Blankenship and Firth recused themselves from the meeting. Wyler presented staff report. Constructed in 1968, the subject building is not classified as an historic structure according to the Historic Resources Survey. The applicant proposes to demolish the brick structure and reinstate the fire wall between 101 W. 7th Street and 103 W. 7th Street (west wall of subject building). The border of the existing building will be retained by installing five 4-foot by 4-foot concrete planters along the edge of the building as shown on the provided site layout and elevations. A 42” high black wrought iron fence will be installed in between the planters that would allow for pedestrian access to the courtyard through a double 6-foot wide gate off Main Street. An additional lockable double gate will be added to the northwest (alley-facing) corner of the courtyard that will be used for shipping and receiving for the winery. Brick pavers matching the current Main Street sidewalk will be used for courtyard flooring and carried into the associated alley. At the northwest corner of the courtyard, a 5-foot Galbanum-trimmed brick wall will be installed and will screen a portion of the alley from patrons in the courtyard. The project is currently going to site plan review to ensure full compliance with City regulations. Additional details such as signage, lighting, furniture and a possible mural will be brought back to the Commission at a later time for final approval. Landscaping for the planters is currently being reviewed and will be approved through the site plan process. Wall finishes, such as the existing stone wall on the south side of the courtyard, will be exposed and cleaned and any maintenance work required will match the original as closely as possible. A brick wall is proposed for the west wall of the courtyard and will match the existing wall, which will be exposed upon demolition of the subject building. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of the non-historic/noncontributing structure at 614 S. Main Street and replacing it with a courtyard, as proposed by the applicant with the consideration that brick or stone-lined planters be used rather than exposed concrete. A major design goal is to promote friendly, walkable streets and to encourage pedestrian activity while contributing to the quality of life. By removing a noncontributing office building and replacing it with a friendlier courtyard, this goal is clearly being reached. Rapp opened the public hearing at 8:27 p.m. No one came forward to speak. Rapp closed the public hearing at 8:28 p.m. Rapp asked what is going to happen in the alley. James Boyd, architect of Grape Creek Courtyard, stated that the alley will stand right where it sits. There will be a screen wall that will help cover trash cans in the alley way. The screening will come out about 4 – 5 feet, depending on the fire departments regulation. It will be approximately 4 feet wide by 5 feet tall. Wahrenbrock asked if the trash cans will be an issue as far as odor is concerned. Boyd stated that the trash cans are there mostly for offices so it probably won’t be a problem. Boyd stated that the only potential issue in the alley way would be the grease traps from Laurie’s Cafe. However, as long as they are sealed up, they are not an issue. Rapp asked Boyd about the mural and concrete planters. Boyd stated that the planters can be stained or painted. The planters will be large and heavy enough so that no one can pick them up and move them. The mural is a possibility if the owners of the building or the city would be interested in creating one. If they are interested in building a mural, Boyd will revisit with HARC to discuss the possibility. Wahrenbrock inquired about the air conditioning units that were going to possibly be move up to the roof to clear up space in the alley way. Boyd stated that there will be a unit on the roof and the condenser will be gone. Wahrenbrock stated that he has an issue with the design of the rod iron fence. Wahrenbrock suggested a design such as a grape vine to tie into the name of the business. Wahrenbrock asked about the brick in the floor. Boyd stated that it is consistent with the brick on the sidewalks. Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC as presented, leaving the option for some of the details to be worked out with Staff, such as the pavers and fencing. Second by Herriott. Approved 5 – 0 (Rapp, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wahrenbrock approved; Firth and Blankenship recused themselves.) Firth and Blankenship returned to the dais. 11.Discussion and reminder that there will be a Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on August 10, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and possible Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on August 25, 2011. After the meeting on August 10th there will be a meeting on design guidelines at 5 p.m. 12.Adjournment. Rapp adjourned the meeting at 9:20 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, July 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee will meet on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 at 01:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee Members: Susan Firth; David Paul & Nelia Ibsen Schrum Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 01:00 PM 1.The Subcommittee members may attend a pre-application meeting with staff and a future applicant to discuss the submission requirements for a proposed demolition Certificate of Design Compliance. (No action will be taken.) Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Site Visit City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, July 26, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Site Visit will meet on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 at 08:30 AM in the 410 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, TX 78626 If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Site Visit Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 08:30 AM Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a site visit on Tuesday, July 26, 2011. This is discovery action of a HARC agenda item that will be discussed and action taken on July 28, 2011. The application for 410 E. 7 Street is to demolish a non historic house and accessory structure, making way for a new house. Commissioners have asked for a site visit of the property before taking action. There will be discussion at the property , but no action will be taken at this time. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Monday, June 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Monday, June 27, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 26, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Regular Agenda: 2.Conceptual review and discussion with the architect of a proposed project at 614 S. Main Street. (Item forwarded from May 26, 2011 HARC meeting) 3. Public hearing and possible action to amend a Certificate of Design Compliance to change the approved color of paint on a fence at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe/Market site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006). (This item has been moved to the July 28, 2011 regularly scheduled HARC meeting.) 4.Discussion and possible action to propose amendments to the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Bylaws and Chapter 2.50 of the Code of Ordinances . 5.Discuss the City’s Certified Local Government Grant awarded for a historic preservation training program and consider appointing a HARC member to work with staff on conference logistics. 6.Discussion and possible action on possible 2012 Certified Local Government Grant application requests. 7.Discussion and possible action to schedule a Special Meeting in July for a workshop on proposed amendments to the Design Guidelines for the Downtown and Old Town Overlay Districts. 8.Discussion and reminder that their will be no Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on July 13, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on July 28, 2011. 9. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Monday, June 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Monday , June 27, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Nelia Ibsen Schrum; and Raymond Wehrenbrock Commissioners in Training present: Andy Welch Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and HARC liaison; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist and Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Rapp called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 26, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Correction. Firth’s name to be added to item # 1 and item #3, as she was accidentally left out of the motion. Motion by Paul to approve the minutes from the May 26, 2011 meeting. Second by Herriott. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wehrenbrock approved.) Regular Agenda: 2.Conceptual review and discussion with the architect of a proposed project at 614 S. Main Street. (Item forwarded from May 26, 2011 HARC meeting.) Sarah Blankenship and Susan Firth recused themselves from the meeting, each filing an Affidavit of Conflict of Interest on this case. Architect James Bryant Boyd stated that he was approached by the City of Georgetown to review a concept plan for a winery. Boyd discussed the proposed demolition and infill project of the existing 1,020 square foot structure with Board members. Boyd stated that the building was built in the year 1968 and has been used as several different functions for the city. Boyd is proposing to demolish the brick structure and reinstate the fire wall between 101 W. 7th Street and 103 W. 7th Street in order to build a winery containing a courtyard. A courtyard will serve as support space where people can enjoy their wine outside with occasional music venues. Rapp asked what is going to happen to the back wall of the Visitor’s Center office. Boyd stated that the wall will be transformed back to its original state with the stone, windows and stairwell. There will be four-foot by four-foot concrete moveable planters, with iron fencing between the planters. Rapp stated that she has some concerns after observing the lot. Directly behind the building, there are two air conditioners, a generator and an electric substation. In addition, there are numerous trash cans and barricades that support the building. Rapp said that there needs to be some sort of commitment ensuring that these things are moved. Boyd acknowledged that these concerns are being discussed. There may be some clearance issues because the alley way is allocated as a fire lane. Rapp questioned if the building is considered a historic building. The structure is not listed as an historic structure according to the 1984 Historic Resources Survey. Although the structure appears to be in good condition, it is not historic and has no historical significance, resulting in it being appropriate to take down. Rapp asked Boyd what he would like to see from the commission by the end of the meeting. Boyd stated that he is hoping to see whether or not the Board feels the proposed is an agreeable idea conceptually. Wehrenbrock asked if the board will be taking any action in the removal of the building until someone is lined up to take the property. Wehrenbrock asked Commissioners if they are interested in recommending that there is to be a screen wall that will block the protruding elements. Wehrenbrock does not have any concerns with the proposed concept and is in favor of the concept. Schrum asked if there is already a winery that is interested in the property and if there is, would this be an incentive for them to visit with HARC? Boyd stated that there is a winery interested only if there is a courtyard included. Schrum inquired about whether or not having an additional winery to the one down the street will create conflict. Boyd stated that there is full support from the other winery. Schrum is in favor of the concept. Herriott asked staff if the demolition of the building is in violation of the Downtown Development Plan. Wyler stated that because the structure is not considered historic, it is not an issue. Herriot is in favor of the concept. Wehrenbrock questioned whether or not the proposed four foot fence is tall enough. Boyd stated that the height requirement is four feet. Wehrenbrock stated that if the loading gate remains in the alley, it should be locked because it is a potential safety concern. Wehrenbrock asks if the common wall that will be exposed to the city building is currently brick. Boyd confirmed it is brick. Wehrenbrock stated that there is a protrusion at the back of the 2nd floor and asked if it will go away. Boyd stated that the protrusion will go away. Rapp stated that the consensus she is hearing is that the protruding equipment is the biggest obstacle. Boyd stated that because it is a city building, it may be a good idea to visit with city staff to determine whether or not it is in their budget to make some adjustments. Rapp asked if there has been any discussion on covering or umbrellas that will help the guests deal with the high temperatures. Boyd stated that they did look at several different options in the design process and after much review it was decided not to add covering. This does not mean that this will not be looked at again in the future. Rapp stated that based on the discussion, she is in favor of the concept. Wehrenbrock suggested that a more decorative fence take the place of the somewhat plain and modern fence. Schrum asked if there is a cost analysis on the project. Boyd stated that it will cost about $20,000 to demolish the building. Blankenship and Firth were reseated on the dais. 3. Public hearing and possible action to amend a Certificate of Design Compliance to change the approved color of paint on a fence at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe/Market site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006). This item was moved to the July 28, 2011 regularly scheduled HARC meeting. 4.Discussion and possible action to propose amendments to the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Bylaws and Chapter 2.50 of the Code of Ordinances. This item was moved to the July 28, 2011 regularly scheduled HARC meeting. 5.Discuss the City’s Certified Local Government Grant awarded for a historic preservation training program and consider appointing a HARC member to work with staff on conference logistics. Cook stated that The City of Georgetown applied for and received grant funds for the historic preservation training program. It is anticipated that the one or two day training will take place in the spring of 2012. Staff would like one HARC member to participate. This will fulfill the one mandatory training session that HARC is required to hold one time a year. Blankenship volunteered. Motion by Rapp to elect Blankenship. Second by Paul. Approved 7 – 0. (Rapp, Blankenship, Firth, Herriott, Paul, Schrum, Wehrenbrock approved.) 6.Discussion and possible action on possible 2012 Certified Local Government Grant application requests. Cook stated that the State is asking that the City let them know if there is any interest in applying for certain Certified Local Government grants. CLG grants are typically matched monetarily. However, they can be matched with things like in–kind work or donations. There does not necessarily need to be a cash match but the State does look for participation. Ideas such as: 1) putting together a nomination for a new national historic district or expanding one of the ones we have or 2) creating training or educational brochures, are examples of ways to participate. Cook asked HARC to email staff with ideas or suggestions by the middle of July. Blankenship asked if HARC will come back and make a decision on how we will participate after they have compiled their ideas and suggestions. Cook stated that if time allows, staff will visit with HARC to decide. Otherwise, staff may pick two or three ideas or suggestions to send in. Cook assured HARC that staff will come back to them prior to making a grant application. Applications will be due in fall or early winter. 7.Discussion and possible action to schedule a Special Meeting in July for a workshop on proposed amendments to the Design Guidelines for the Downtown and Old Town Overlay Districts. Rapp suggested that all HARC members check their calendars and get back to staff on dates and times that they will be available. Paul suggested that HARC be allowed a few days to review the Guidelines before holding the meeting, as it is already a large document and there will be two or three new chapters added. The new chapters will be about paint colors, development in Old Town, energy efficiency, signage and residential review. Cook stated that staff will have the revised Design Guidelines available at least one week before the special meeting for the members to review. Cook asked that the Board members email their availability to staff by weeks end. 8.Discussion and reminder that there will be no Sign Subcommittee meeting taking place on July 13, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting and Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on July 28, 2011. 9. Adjournment. Rapp adjourned the meeting at 6:56 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, June 7, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee will meet on Tuesday, June 7, 2011 at 02:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Demolitian Subcommittee Members: Susan Firth; David Paul & Nelia Ibsen Schrum Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 02:00 PM 1.The Subcommittee members may attend a pre-application meeting with staff and a future applicant to discuss the submission requirements for a proposed demolition Certificate of Design Compliance. (No action will be taken.) Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 26, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Dee Rapp and Nelia Ibsen Schrum. Commissioners in Training: Raymond Wehrenbrock and Andy Welch Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 28, 2011 Regular HARC meeting and May 4, 2011 special follow-up meeting. Regular Agenda: 2.Conceptual review and discussion with the architect of a proposed project at 614 S. Main Street. 3.Consideration and possible action to amend the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Bylaws. 4.Discussion with City attorney’s office regarding commissioner responsibilities and duties related to CDC application review. 5.Discussion with Texas Historical Commission representatives regarding the purpose and application of design review standards. 6.Discussion and reminder that the next Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on June 8, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on June 23, 2011. 7. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 26, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , May 26, 2011. Members Present: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Dee Rapp; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott Commissioners in Training present: Raymond Wehrenbrock and Andy Welch Members Absent: David Paul; and Nelia Ibsen Schrum Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and HACR liaison; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist and Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Moore called the meeting to order at 6:08 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 28, 2011 Regular HARC meeting and May 4, 2011 special follow-up meeting. Motion by Blankenship to approve the minutes from both the April 28th and May 4th meeting. Second by Moore. Approved 5 – 0. (Moore, Firth, Blankenship, Rapp and Herriott approved. Paul and Schrum absent.) Regular Agenda: 2.Conceptual review and discussion with the architect of a proposed project at 614 S. Main Street. This item was pulled and forwarded to the June 23, 2011 meeting at the applicant’s request. 3.Consideration and possible action to amend the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Bylaws. Bridget Chapman, Assistant City Attorney for the City of Georgetown, discussed the recently revised HARC Bylaws. Some of the following key points were discussed: ·HARC is to consist of no less than seven (7) members. ·At least two (2) of the Commission Members shall be property owners in the historic Downtown Overlay District. ·Each member shall be either a registered voter eligible to vote in City elections or owners of real property that is designated as historic. · Members are required to have a demonstrated interest in historic preservation or urban design. ·(Up to) three (3) qualified persons shall be appointed to serve as Commissioners in Training by City Council. Commissioners in Training are eligible to be appointed to the position of Commission Member upon the expiration of the term of a regular Commission Member or upon the vacancy on the Commission. ·HARC Members serve without compensation. ·Commission Members are Chairman, Vice-Chairman and Secretary. Chairman is appointed by City Council during the annual appointment process. The other Commission Members are elected by a majority vote of the Members at the first meeting after the annual appointment process. ·Terms of office for each Member are generally two (2) years. Commission Officers serve for a term of one (1) year. ·HARC shall meet at the same time, place and day, once a month. ·A quorum consists of a majority of the Members. ·In the case of a conflict of interest, the Member will fill out a “Conflict of Interest Form” and may not participate in both the discussion and the voting of the particular conflicting item. Although it is encouraged that the Member leaves the meeting room in the case of a conflict of interest, it is not mandatory. Without the Member(s) with the conflict of interest present, HARC must still obtain a quorum to vote on the item. ·Members are to attend 75% of regularly scheduled meetings. Failure to do so constitutes excessive absenteeism and may result in dismissal from the Commission. ·Subcommittees may be formed for special projects related to Commission matters. Motion by Rapp to acknowledge the revised Bylaws. Second by Blankenship. Approved 5 – 0. (Moore, Firth, Blankenship, Rapp and Herriott approved. Paul and Schrum absent.) 4.Discussion with City attorney’s office regarding commissioner responsibilities and duties related to CDC application review. Chapman explains the duties of the Chair, Vice-Chair and Secretary of HARC. The Chairman presides at Commission meetings. Chairman shall generally manage the business of the Commission and will perform all duties delegated by the Commission. The Vice-Chairman presides at Commission meetings in the Chairman’s absence. The Vice-Chairman shall generally manage the business of the Commission and will perform all duties delegated by the Commission. The Secretary shall generally manage the business of the Commission and will perform all duties delegated by the Commission. 5.Discussion with Texas Historical Commission representatives regarding the purpose and application of design review standards. Matt Synatschk, the Acting State Coordinator for the Texas Certified Local Government Program at the Texas Historical Commission, and Leslie Wolfenden, Main Street Program Design Assistant for the Texas Historical Commission, met with HARC, presenting a Powerpoint Presentation explaining what is “historic” and how it can be preserved. Historic is defined as follows: ·At Least 50 years old. ·High degree of integrity. ·Association with significant historic events or themes (local/state/national). ·Exemplary of a particular style. In order to maintain historic communities, the following must be preserved: ·Historic buildings ·Narratives ·Traditions ·Locally produced products ·Things that bind all community members together ·Unique aspects of your community 6.Discussion and reminder that the next Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on June 8, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on June 23, 2011. 7. Adjournment Moore adjourned the meeting at 8:28 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, May 11, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Wednesday, May 11, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth; Sarah Blankenship Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Nomination and selection of Subcommittee Chair, Vice-Chair and Secretary. 2.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 24, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 3.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage in Glasscock Addition, Block 22 1/2, Lots 5 & 6, also known as Simon & Sons Flooring, located at 1107 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-008) 4.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage in City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3 (pt), also known as Scent Chips & More, located at 112 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2011-009) 5.Adjournment. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for May 26, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, May 11, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , May 11, 2011. Members Present: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth; and Sarah Blankenship Members Absent: none. Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Avery Craft, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Dee Rapp called the meeting to order at 4:05 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 24, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Firth to accept the minutes as presented. Second by Rapp. Approved 2 – 0 (Approved; Rapp and Firth; Blankenship not present at this time). 2.Nomination and selection of Subcommittee Chair, Vice-Chair and Secretary. Motion by Rapp to elect Firth as Chair of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee. Second by Firth. Approved 2 – 0 (Approved; Rapp and Firth; Blankenship not present at this time). Motion by Rapp to elect self as Vice – Chair and Blankenship as Secretary of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee. Second by Firth. Approved 3 - 0 (Approved; Rapp, Firth and Blankenship). 3.Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage in Glasscock Addition, Block 22 1/2, Lots 5 & 6, also known as Simon & Sons Flooring, located at 1107 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-008) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC to install a new business sign. The Moderate Density Overlay (MDO) wooden sign will be installed just above the edge of the Main Street facing overhang and attached using metal brackets, hidden from view from the street. The previous business had a similar sized sign mounted directly onto the roofing but due to current sign regulations, the applicant cannot mount the sign in the same location and will need to mount it directly to the overhang edge, similar to many canopy signs found around the square. The sign will measure 3 feet tall by 8 feet wide, totaling 24 square feet and will read “Simon & Sons Flooring” in three colors. The background will be ivory and the wording will consist of ivory and dark green Times New Roman and italicized lettering with a tan / buck skin shadowing. The same green and tan / buck skin colors will be used around the sign for a border. The green used for the lettering will match the green currently on the building. At this time, the applicant does not propose any other signage or illumination. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the new sign as proposed by the applicant with the condition that the mounting brackets are painted to match the green on the building. Firth stated that she likes the design of the sign but offers the following recommendations for the applicant to consider: the mounting bracket of the sign should be painted black; the sign should be positioned lower; the window sign should provide the hours of operation and phone number to the business. Applicant will have to meet again with staff to discuss these recommendations. The commissioners, applicant, and agent Ray Shawley from Affordable Signs discussed the colors of the sign and how they are going to be used. Ray explained that the background color in the sign is to be light beige. Commissioners agreed that the color should be slightly lighter than what was presented. Commissioners also urged the applicant to come up with a comprehensive plan for what advertisements will be in the windows. Rapp suggests that the color of the brackets should blend as closely as possible with the roof in an effort to minimize the appearance of the brackets. Motion by Blankenship to approve the Certificate of Design for the sign with the condition that the background color of the sign be lighter than the color submitted, and the brackets be painted to match as close as possible to the roof. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0 (Approved; Rapp, Firth and Blankenship). 4. Public Hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage in City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3 (pt), also known as Scent Chips & More, located at 112 W. 8 th Street. (CDC-2011-009) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for four (4) new business signs. First, the applicant wishes to install a flush-mounted wall sign above the 8 th Street transom windows. The sign will be constructed of Moderate Density Overlay (MDO) wood. Only two colors, black and white, are proposed. The backdrop will be white and black vinyl lettering reading “Scentchips, the original fragrance melt” will be applied on top. A black decorative pattern and border will be included in the design . Measuring 3 feet tall by 5.3 feet wide, the sign has an area of just under 16 square feet. Next, a two-sided projecting sign will be installed on an existing black metal bracket where the previous business’ hanging sign was located, directly above the entrance door. Measuring 10 inches tall by 36 inches wide, the proposed sign has an area of 2.5 square feet and will consist of a similar black and white design with black border. An A-frame sign for the 8 th Street sidewalk is also proposed. The sign will be an 8.8 square foot wooden sign that will be painted black and white. Matching the design of the proposed flush-mounted sign, the name of the business and the decorative design and border will be incorporated into the A-frame sign but placed near the top. Below will be the hours of operation and contact information as well as some additional services the business offers. The applicant also proposed placing colored pictures of miscellaneous items relating to the business at the bottom of the sign. Lastly, the same design proposed for the flush-mounted wall and A-frame signs will be placed on the 8 th Street windows above existing text that currently reads “Humidor, Gifts, Home Accessories”. Together, the total area of window signage will come to 3.1 square feet, just over 7% of the total window area. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the new sign as proposed by the applicant with the condition that the colored figures at the bottom of the A-frame sign be reduced in color to black outlines with either a white fill or another color complementary to the building. Not knowing the exact colors of the figures could result in an appearance not appropriate for the sign. Ray Shawley of Affordable Signs was present as the applicant’s agent to answer any questions. Shawley is asked if the words in both of the windows are the same and he states that they are different. The window on the left hand side reads “Humidor, Gifts, and Home Accessories” and the window on the right hand side is intended to read “Melting Pots, Lamps and Unique Gifts.” Commissioners advised applicant to address any open signage in the window and re-visit with staff to determine what will be permitted. Firth suggests that the A – Frame sign read out the words “Monday – Friday,” as opposed to the abbreviated “Mon – Fri.” In addition, Firth would like to have the images at the bottom of the signs omitted, as they are distracting and do not serve a purpose for the A -Frame. Lastly, the letters on the sign need to be spaced out. Blankenship asks why the sign is black and white. Shawley states that the black and white sign is the existing logo for Scent Chips. Commissioners discuss how to incorporate color to the sign and the following ideas were presented: Add a green edging around the existing black Make the existing black outline fatter Make the background color black with white lettering Change the existing black outline to a fatter green Motion by Rapp to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance with the following conditions: 1. The flush mounted wall sign needs to be up to four (4) square feet larger, centered, and staff needs to review the following options for the coloring of the sign: a) additional green edging around the existing black, b) a fatter black edging, c) black background with white wording, or a fatter green edging ; 2. The projecting sign should match the mounted wall sign ; 3. The A – Frame sign should reflect the following: a) The words Monday – Friday shall be spelled out, not abbreviated, b) lines shall be spaced out, c) the word “gifts” shall be substituted, as it is used twice, d) color and material of the handle should be reviewed by staff prior to final approval ; 4) The window sign – staff and the applicant are to review the six (6) bullet points on the sign for verbiage and eliminate the redundant word “gifts” and consider centering the logo that is currently located in the upper corners (not a requirement but a suggestion). Second by Firth. Rapp amended her original motion to change the proposed color for the flush mounted wall sign from a black background with white lettering to a green background with white lettering. Second by Firth. Approved 3 – 0 (Approved; Rapp, Firth and Blankenship). Original motion passed 3 – 0 (Approved; Rapp, Firth and Blankenship). 5.Adjournment Rapp adjourned the meeting at 4:59 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 5, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, May 5, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, Williamson Conference Room, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Dee Rap, Chair; Susan Firth & Sarah Blankenship Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a special meeting of the Sign Subcommittee with possible attendance of the full HARC and Main Street Advisory Board, for discussion on the following: 1.Discussion with Downtown groups and possible direction to City staff on Downtown window sign regulations preceding the finalization of updates to the Downtown Design Guidelines. 2.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 5, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , May 5, 2011. Members Present: : Dee Rapp; Susan Firth & Sarah Blankenship. Also Will Moore, David Paul, Nelia Schrum and Raymond Wahrenbrock. Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist; Julie McCartney, Chief Code Enforcement Officer; Terri Sue Kahabka, Code Enforcement Officer; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary. Minutes Regular Meeting This is a special meeting of the Sign Subcommittee with possible attendance of the full HARC and Main Street Advisory Board, for discussion on the following: 1.Discussion with Downtown groups and possible direction to City staff on Downtown window sign regulations preceding the finalization of updates to the Downtown Design Guidelines. Robbie Wyler opened the meeting and explained why everyone had been invited to the meeting. There has been concern by HARC Sign Subcommittee members that the Guidelines were not being enforced and that extraneous and lighted signs were “multiplying” and being allowed in store fronts on the Square. This is in direct conflict with the Guidelines which specifically restricts any neon signs, but does not address lighted open signs, lighted symbols in the windows, and posters and event fliers (temporary) in the windows. Susan Firth explained that she asked for the discussion with the other organizations to reach a compromise to allow the businesses to promote their businesses in the manner they need, while following the Guidelines and still maintaining the character of the Square. Firth expressed that she wants some consistency to the allowed posters and open signs so that it does not look “trashy”. Sarah Blankenship expressed that she likes the look of the posters everywhere and that she feels it gives the Square personality and vitality. Chris Dixon and Marcy Urban expressed that the community needs the fliers that are part of the vitality of the community and are a freedom of expression. They do not feel they should be restricted. Dixon explained that as a business owner he can appreciate the need for the business owners to have guidelines but that most of the store front owners do restrict the amount of posters in their windows because they need to promote their business more than the events. He explained it is sometimes difficult to tell an organization that is promoting their event that he will not put another poster in his window. If there is a specific amount allowed it would give business owners something to work with. Julie McCartney explained that throughout the city, code enforcement officers use the 50% rule, allowing 50% of the window to be covered by advertising. Any more and the business owner is asked to remove something. Wyler suggested that since the downtown area allows 30% of the window covered by business signage that another 20% could be allowed for posters and fliers. The group seemed to be in agreement with that idea. There was further discussion of educating business owners, tenants and citizens of the HARC ordinances and what triggers a need for a Certificate of Design Compliance, especially signage in the Downtown Overlay District. McCartney asked for specific definitions of “open” signage that will be allowed. Firth suggested even developing a standard open sign and hours of business signs that could be used for all businesses on the Square, to decrease the different varieties that exist today, and to eliminate the problem of the hours of operation not always being posted clearly. Wyler agreed to work on language to address the ideas discussed in the meeting and asked that other ideas, comments and suggestions be emailed to him. He appreciated everyone’s attendance and participation. He also suggested there will be follow-up meetings and drafts of the proposed Guideline language will be forwarded to the participants. 2.Adjournment. The meeting was adjourned at 5:12 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, May 4, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, Williamson Conference Room, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Dee Rapp and Nelia Ibsen Schrum. Commissioners in Training: Raymond Wehrenbrock and Andy Welch. Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM Session - To begin no earlier than 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) This is a special meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Agenda: 1.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a change in facade material, windows, pillars and color on an historic residential structure at Lost Addition, Block 66 (pt), located at 305 W. University. (CDC-2011-007) *Continuation from the April 28, 2011 meeting. 2. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, May 4, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , May 4, 2011. Members Present: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; David Paul; Dee Rapp and Nelia Ibsen Schrum Members Absent: Gregg Herriott; and Andy Welch Members Present but not participating: Raymond Wehrenbrock Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Moore called the meeting to order at 4:07 p.m. This is a special meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for continuation of the consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Agenda: 1.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a change in facade material, windows, pillars and color on an historic residential structure at Lost Addition, Block 66 (pt), located at 305 W. University. (CDC-2011-007) *Continuation from the April 28, 2011 meeting. Dee Rapp recused herself from the meeting filing an Affidavit of Conflict of Interest on this case. Wyler explained that the applicants, Chair Moore and he met the day before and negotiated a compromise in the matter of the windows, and the brick and limestone pillars. The aluminum windows had already been purchased and are not able to be returned for wooden windows, so expense is an issue that was considered. Also, some of the windows have already been installed. The Commissioners agree that the appearances of the houses in this district are important. They determined that the siding and trim will be installed to match the old trim. They will add sills at the bottom of the windows and add a ‘skirt” trim along the bottom of the siding around the house. They will re-use some of the windows for internal decorations and then donate or sell the rest of the windows so that the windows remain in Georgetown. The applicants will use the brick only on the front stoop pillars, which match the fireplace brick. Moore explained that the applicants have agreed to replace the windows and trim in the same manner that they were originally installed, with the siding being cut to the trim, not the trim being placed over the siding. Firth asked for the drip edge to be included on the window trim. She also asked for detailed vents under the roof peaks to be maintained. The applicants agreed those could be replaced. Blankenship asked that the historic windows be kept on the front of the house, for appearance and they could use the new windows on the remainder of the house. She also asked if the window mullions could be replaced to make the new windows 1 panel over 1 panel, instead of the purchased 6 panel over 6 panel windows. The applicants said they would look into that but felt they would not be able to switch them out. Schrum and Paul agreed that the compromises that were made were good ones. Motion by Schrum to allow the windows as installed with the historic type trim as discussed and for the applicant to keep the two roof peak vents that are on the original house. Second by Paul. Vote: 3 – 2. (Moore, Paul and Schrum approved, Blankenship and Firth opposed.) The applicants then explained that they decided not to use the limestone columns as originally proposed, but to leave the three brick columns on the front porch, in brick that matches the fireplace brick. Paul suggested they might need re-pointing (mortar replaced as needed) and that he was okay with them painting the brick if needed. Blankenship and Firth agreed to possible painting of the brick also. Motion by Blankenship to approve the brick columns with matching capstones, and allow the option to paint the brick if the applicant so choose. Second by Firth. Approved 5 – 0. (Moore, Blankenship, Firth, Paul and Schrum approved.) Blankenship asked that the applicants try to save as much wood siding as possible for future projects. The applicants agreed and said they might try to use some on the interior walls and maybe cabinets of the house. 2. Adjournment. Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:40 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 28, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; David Paul; Dee Rapp and Nelia Ibsen Schrum. Commissioners in Training: Raymond Wehrenbrock and Andy Welch. Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a continuation of a regularly scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 24, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Regular Agenda: 2.Public hearing and possible action on an amendment to a Certificate of Design Compliance for a change in the proposed outdoor seating area fencing at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a change in facade material, windows, pillars and color on an historic residential structure at Lost Addition, Block 66 (pt), located at 305 W. University. (CDC-2011-007) 4.Discussion and reminder that the next Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on May 11, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on May 26, 2011. 5. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 28, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , April 28, 2011. Members Present: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; David Paul; and Nelia Ibsen Schrum Members Absent: Susan Firth; Dee Rapp and Gregg Herriott Members Present but not participating: Raymond Wehrenbrock and Andy Welch Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Moore called the meeting to order at 6:06 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 24, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Blankenship responded that there is a typographical error in the second paragraph on page 3 of 5. The second sentence should read: “She likes the woven fence but suggests it should blend in with the property style better than it does.” Motion by Paul to approve the minutes with the correction. Second by Blankenship. Approved 4 – 0. (Moore, Blankenship, Paul and Schrum approved.) Regular Agenda: 2.Public hearing and possible action on an amendment to a Certificate of Design Compliance for a change in the proposed outdoor seating area fencing at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006) This item was pulled at the applicant’s request. The fencing will remain the same as originally proposed and approved by HARC on March 24, 2011. 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for a change in façade material, windows, pillars and color on an historic residential structure at Lost Addition, Block 66 (pt), located at 305 W. University. (CDC-2011-007) Wyler presented the staff report. Earlier this year, the applicants met with staff to discuss updates to this house that lies within the Downtown Overlay District. After meeting with staff on a few occasions, permits were issued and work commenced. Code Enforcement later stopped work on the project because work was being done without proper approvals and beyond the original scope. The applicant was changing building materials from what was originally on the house, including the windows, siding and trim. Some windows and part of the original siding were already replaced. The house is listed as a Low-Priority Historic Structure in the 1984 Historic Resources Survey and a Medium-Priority Historic Structure in the 2007 Survey. The applicant has already begun the process of removing the original wood siding from the façade and replacing it with Hardi-plank siding. The renovation is a Code Enforcement matter due to the replacement of a material without proper approval, so the applicant approached HARC to ask that the new Hardi-plank siding, partially installed, be approved and feels it is appropriate in appearance and complements the surrounding buildings and neighborhood. In addition to changing the siding material, the applicant would like to change the siding color from turquoise to a pale blue, specifically Kelly Moore’s “Seaside Accents”. The brick chimney will be painted Kelly Moore’s “Dig it” (a taupe) and the trim will remain white. The wood siding on the porch gable will be replaced with fish scale siding, a change in style from the current wood siding, and painted the same color as the Hardi-plank siding. The applicant requests approval to replace the original windows with energy efficient aluminum clad windows as he has already done with some and feels they are appropriate in appearance. The current front windows, and proposed windows for the remainder of the house, are a six over six style and the original windows appear to be 1 over 1. The applicants wish to replace the brick on the pillars around the porch with limestone. They state the brick is not original to the house and was installed sometime in the 1970’s. Although the applicants have replaced a majority of the original siding and have the intention of beautifying their home, staff recommends they remove the Hardi-plank siding that has been installed and replace what cannot be salvaged or maintained with in-kind wood siding. Additionally, unless the applicants can provide an historic photo showing the fish scale siding above the porch, staff considers it inappropriate given that the addition of new features to an historic structure is discouraged. The porch gable should remain wood siding to match the remainder of the house, unless the Commission finds the fish scale siding appropriate in design and to the time period of the house. The replacement of the brick with limestone may be considered appropriate by the Commission given that the brick pillars may not be original to the house. If the limestone is found to be appropriate in design and period appropriate, the Commissioners might consider having the applicant reface the brick on the chimney as well so that it matches the porch in material. Some windows have already been replaced, so HARC should speak to the applicant about the original windows’ condition when deciding whether or not the new aluminum clad windows are appropriate or if a simpler style should have been used. Finally, staff recommends approval of the proposed light blue color for the siding and white trim but finds it more appropriate to keep the brick on the chimney unpainted to match the brick on the porch or be changed to limestone should HARC approve the change in porch material. Moore opened the discussion by Commissioners. Blankenship responds that she believes the house was built in 1925 according to fire insurance records that were found. The owners were present, Jeremiah Lugo and Alana Gibbs, and stated they believed the house was constructed in 1948 based on the documents they have. Moore opened the floor for discussion and stated they should discuss individual items. Blankenship opened with discussion on the Hardi-plank siding. She stated that if the original siding was in poor condition and needed to be replaced, it was okay to use the Hardi-plank in the same style that was originally on the house. But it should not be used to replace good siding in a manner that matches other houses. Moore feels the Hardi-plank siding is okay for this purpose. Paul agrees with Moore but thinks it is more appropriate for repairing and restoring poor siding, not replacing existing good siding. Schrum felt the Hardi-plank replacement looks good and is in character with the neighborhood. She asked the owners why they were replacing the existing siding and the response was that they hoped it would be more energy efficient and bring their utility bills down. Moore moved the discussion to the window replacements. He explained that this is an historic house, in an historic district in an historic city and the windows that are being installed are inappropriate. He feels the owners should exchange the previously purchased windows with windows that are similar (wooden) to the existing windows and are 1-over-1 windows. He explained the trim should be similar also and explained that historically, the trim was installed to the window and the siding was then cut individually to fit the trim, not vice-versa. The current trim needs to be installed in that manner to match the old style. Blankenship explained to the owners that old windows can be fixed, and that lead paint can be removed, the glazing repaired and interior storm windows can be installed if energy efficiency is a concern. Paul agreed that it was much better to restore the windows than to replace them. Moore moved the discussion to the proposed colors. Paul does not like the painted brick, Moore does. There was further discussion and ideas proposed for the front pillars. Cook explained that each case is considered on its own merit and because other houses on the block are done one way, does not mean this house gets the same treatment. Commissioners change over the years and different ideas are presented. Each house is an individual project. Paul brought up the fish scale type siding and expressed his disapproval. The owners agreed they did not like the fish scale siding either, but were trying to match other homes in Georgetown. Moore spoke to the renovations in Georgetown. He explained there are a lot of mix and match styles in town and HARC does not always have the opportunity to say whether the renovation projects are appropriate or not because the houses may not be in the Downtown Overlay Area, but this one is. He explained that there are many products available to modernize a home but that they are not necessarily appropriate for the historic structures. There are some good products out there however that will make the homes more efficient but still maintain the character of the structure. Moore recommends approval of the colors chosen but feels the other items should be taken back to staff and a compromise developed and brought back to the commission. The contractor and the owners spoke and explained that they were “maxed out” on their budget and that they could not afford any other windows, could not take any of the purchased materials back and that they were stuck with what they had. Moore empathized but explained the commission could not ignore the Guidelines and allow the owners to complete inappropriate work. He would not speak for what had happened in the past, only for the Guidelines and the purpose of protecting homes and the character of the downtown area. Cook gave action options for the Commissioners to consider. Moore opened the Public Hearing at 8:15 p.m. No one was registered to speak. Moore closed the Public Hearing at 8:16 p.m. Motion by Moore to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance as requested with the following conditions: 1.) The colors is acceptable as submitted; 2.) The fish scale siding is denied; 3.) The Hardiplank siding would be allowed on all sides but should be applied as suggested around the windows; 4.) The request for approval of the windows and brick and limestone pillars will be taken back to staff for compromise to be resubmitted, he self-appointed himself as an advocate for the homeowners for that meeting, and the Commissioners will follow-up with a continuation of this item in no more than two weeks so as to not hold up the owners any further. Second by Schrum. Approved 3 – 1. (Moore, Paul and Schrum for, Blankenship against.) Motion by Moore to hold the continuation meeting for the items of windows, brick and limestone that are to be discussed further, on Wednesday May 4th at 4:00 p.m. in the Georgetown Municipal Complex. Second by Schrum. Approved 4 – 0. (Moore, Paul, Schrum and Blankenship for.) The meeting with the owners, staff and Moore will be held Wednesday, May 3 rd at 4:00 p.m. 4.Discussion and reminder that the next Sign Subcommittee meeting will take place on May 11, 2011 and that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on May 26, 2011. Wyler reminded everyone that the Sign Subcommittee will also meet on Thursday, May 5thwith representatives from the Downtown Georgetown Association, the Main Street Advisory Board, and the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce to discuss window signage in the Downtown Overlay District. 5.Adjournment Moore adjourned the meeting at 8:25 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, April 19, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 05:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) This is a Training Session with all HARC members and staff members. No specific Certificate of Design Compliance applications will be discussed or action taken. 1. Discussion and overview of applicable Unified Development Code chapters. 2. Discussion and overview Downtown Guidelines, Downtown Master Plan and Historic Resources Survey. 3. Adjournment. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, April 19, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Tuesday , April 19, 2011. Members Present: Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth;David Paul; Dee Rapp and Nelia Ibsen Schrum. Commissioners in Training: Raymond Wehrenbrock and Andy Welch Members Absent: Will Moore, Chair; Gregg Herriott; Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; Robbie Wyler, Planner; Avery Craft, Planning Specialist Minutes Regular Meeting This was a training session and no minutes were taken, only attendance. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, March 24, 2011 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Dee Rapp; Susan Firth Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 24, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5 (pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land, located at 714 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 201. (CDC-2011-005) 3.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 24, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , March 24, 2011. Members Present: Susan Firth; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Acting Chair Rapp called the meeting to order at 5:32 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 24, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Firth to approve the minutes as submitted. Second by Rapp. Approved 2 – 0. 2. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5 (pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land, located at 714 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 201. (CDC-2011-005) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks CDC approval for five new business signs; a canopy sign installed on the front face of the building, an under canopy sign, storefront window white vinyl lettering, front door white vinyl lettering, and an A-frame sign for the front sidewalk. The applicant asks for an increase in size allowance for the signage that will be placed on the front façade. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the five signs as proposed by the applicant with the following consideration: 1)For the canopy sign, HARC should take into consideration the purpose and placement of the sign when making their decision on whether to approve the applicant’s preferred larger canopy sign or the alternative, smaller flush-mounted wall sign. Although the size of the canopy sign puts the total square footage for the building above what is allowed, it will also be utilizing existing brackets and preserving the historic stone. While staff considers the design and purpose of the canopy sign appropriate, there is some concern with the size and overall square footage of signage on the building’s canopy. Firth began the discussion. She suggests in the future that buildings with two or more tenants be required to submit a Master Sign Plan so that the problem does not arise as to who gets which spot and how much signage is left for the second tenant. Rapp questions why the applicant did not request approval for painting the front door also. Michael Cox, the applicant, suggested that they were considering painting the door black with gold accents around the window. It was decided that would need to come back to the Committee for consideration of the door color changes. Motion by Firth to approve the sign requests with the larger façade sign as proposed, and with that consideration that all signs of the building be brought forward in the future, and the option to come back to the committee for additional approval of changing the door color. Second by Rapp. Approved 2 – 0. 3.Adjournment. Rapp adjourned the meeting at 5:53 p.m. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 24, 2011. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, March 24, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott;; David Paul; Dee Rapp and Nelia Ibsen Schrum. Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a continuation of a regularly scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 24, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. 2.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5 (pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land, located at 714 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 201. (CDC-2011-005) Regular Agenda: 3. Election of HARC Officers; Vice-Chair & Secretary. 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for site changes, including a fenced-in outdoor seating area and urban gardens, at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, Also known as the Monument Cafe site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006) 5. Discussion with the property owner of 409 E. University Avenue on converting the residential property to office. 6.Appointment of Sign Subcommittee members. 7.Appointment of Demolition Subcommittee members. 8.Discussion and consideration on participants for the Economic Review Subcommittee. 9.Discussion on UDC, Design Guidelines and HARC Bylaws. 10. Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on April 28, 2011. 11. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , March 24, 2011. Members Present: Will Moore, Chair; Sarah Blankenship; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott;; David Paul; Dee Rapp and Nelia Ibsen Schrum. Commissioners in Training present: Raymond Wehrenbrock and Andy Welch. Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Moore called the meeting to order at 6:10 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 24, 2011 regular HARC meeting. 2.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5 (pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land, located at 714 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 201. (CDC-2011-005) Motion by Rapp to approve the minutes as submitted. The second item was voted on and approved at the Sign Subcommittee Meeting. Second by Herriott. Approved 7 – 0. Regular Agenda: Chair Moore introduced the new members to HARC and the Commissioners in Training in the audience. He then noted that Susan Firth and Dee Rapp were existing members of the Sign Subcommittee and they confirmed they would remain on the subcommittee. He asked for one more volunteer and Sarah Blankenship agreed to serve. 3. Election of HARC Officers; Vice-Chair & Secretary. Firth nominated Rapp for Vice-Chair. Second by Herriott. Approved 7 – 0. Rapp nominated Herriott for Secretary. Second by Firth. Approved 7 – 0. 4.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for site changes, including a fenced-in outdoor seating area and urban gardens, at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, Also known as the Monument Cafe site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-006) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for the addition of an outdoor seating area and urban garden to the Monument Cafe site. Shown on the provided site layout, the outdoor seating area, referred to as the biergarten, will be located to the southeast of the main restaurant, directly east and in front of an existing structure that will contain a future market. The biergarten, which will have a decomposed granite floor, will be screened from both Austin Avenue and 6th Street using a six (6) foot western red cedar or stained hardie-panel privacy fence. Either fence will be designed to support vegetation from both sides and will serve to insulate and screen the biergarten from the streets. As part of the biergarten project, the applicant will expand the existing herb garden and plant a small orchard between the biergarten and Austin Avenue as shown on the site layout. This will provide additional vegetation between the proposed fence and Austin Avenue sidewalk. Staff will review the plantings to ensure compliance with site and safety regulations. An urban garden is also proposed for the northwest portion of the property, directly behind the restaurant along Rock and 5th Streets. This will be used for production, education and dining purposes. A four (4) foot ornamental antique woven wire fence (shown on the provided photo) will surround the urban garden to control access. It will be installed and maintained to ensure it does not block the view of the garden from the surrounding public space. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance amendment, based on the Design Guidelines, for both the outdoor seating area (biergarten) and urban garden as proposed by the applicant with the following conditions: 1)Staff recommends the applicant use the stained hardie-panel woven privacy fence rather than the western red cedar design. The woven-panel design provides a more urban and attractive appearance to the property and will better complement the surrounding landscape and streetscape. 2)The applicant will need to receive staff approval for all new landscaping prior to commencing with construction of the outdoor seating and urban garden to ensure compliance with the site plan. The applicant, Rusty Winkstern, was available for questions. Rapp questioned the work being done on 6th Street and the addition of a signal across Austin Avenue at 6th Street. Wyler responded that the city and the applicant have an agreement regarding the construction of 6th Street, along with the standardized sidewalks, landscaping, lighting and benches in accordance with the Downtown Master Plan. That work is occurring at this time. Elizabeth Cook explained that there will be a pedestrian signal installed, either at 5th or 6th Street and Austin Avenue, but not a traffic signal. The pedestrian signal should be installed by the end of the year. Winkstern explained that he has not been able find tenants for the office space so he has a new proposal for the biergarten, with the dual purpose of bringing people to the downtown area at night. He is still planning and working on the 3500 square foot market space that he hopes will open in April. And he is still working with the concept of taking food from the farm to the table and making it educational at the same time. Rapp questioned whether he intended to permanently retire the office building. Winkstern responded that he still intends to build it when the market turns. The orchard and herb garden will stay at that time, and the biergarten will become a small courtyard. Rapp commented that she likes the woven fence that is proposed but questioned the inclusion of the red cedar fence. Winkstern explained he was giving the commissioners options. Blankenship commented that she “applauds” the project. She like the woven fence but suggest it should then into the property more. Winkstern explained that the parapet and stucco wall will be extended, which is not shown in the photos, and will tie in. Blankenship suggested moving the greenery around the biergarten and moving the biergarten forward toward Austin Avenue. Winkstern explained that TABC requires them to have a 6 foot fence and because of that, moving the biergarten and fence forward would affect the site lines of the vehicles on 6th Street. He likes the ideas but states they are also more expensive than he can afford at this time. They discussed other ideas on the development of the site. Winkstern stated he would cost her ideas out and consider them. Ibsen-Schrum stated she thought this was a good project. Paul stated this would be good for downtown. Herriott questioned the plantings on the roof. Winkstern explained that the weight of planting directly on the roof was too great for the structure and so they were trying planters. He said that was not working well either and that he only had 8 inches of dirt to work with. He may come back to HARC with another plan. Firth questioned the supports of the fence. Winkstern said that right now it is proposed as galvanized pipes and they will apply vinegar or something to make it less shiny. Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC as presented with the following conditions: that the applicant will install a mahogany stained hardie-panel fence around the biergarten and will bring a color sample in for staff approval and the height will be adjusted based on TABC certification; and the applicant will work with staff for approval of all landscaping. Second by Paul. Approved 7 – 0. 5. Discussion with the property owner of 409 E. University Avenue on converting the residential property to office. Chair Moore confirmed that before discussing the options, the process was to rezone the property through the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council. This would not be considered for a Special Use Permit. And HARC does not make recommendations on zoning or use. He wants to make it clear that the commissioners were not making any recommendations on use. Wyler confirmed. Wyler introduced Jim Babcock, the property owner. Babcock explained that the charter states that HARC gives advice and guidance on historic properties and he was asking for their opinions. Babcock provided some comparables and explained that he has been unable to sell his property as a residence due to the very busy traffic on University Avenue. He prefers to preserve the house. He believes that rezoning the property may be his only option and asked for the Commissioners’ thoughts. Moore stated that the comparables noted are all in the Mixed Use – Downtown zoning district and that this house was not. He questioned whether the boundaries could be extended to that lot. Cook said not at this time, but that the Comprehensive Plan how has more flexibility for residential structures with a non-residential use. There was further discussion of how Babcock could alter the site to get the amount of parking he would need for an office use. It was suggested that he could use the existing driveway as a one way in and have a one-way egress on Ash Street. The commissioners were not in favor of allowing additional parking on Ash Street. Babcock questioned the commissioners about their support of rezoning the property and whether they could support the action. There was not a formal vote but Moore explained that he felt he could support a different zoning district based on the location of the structure and the other options presented. Babcock thanked the commissioners for their time and help. 6.Appointment of Sign Subcommittee members. See action listed before item number 3. 7.Appointment of Demolition Subcommittee members. Cook explained that the new requirements for a demolition or relocation in the Downtown Overlay District, as amended in the Unified Development Code recently, require an applicant to meet with staff and a Demolition Subcommittee or designated member(s) of HARC to determine the criteria needed for the application. This person or persons must be available to meet with the applicant during daytime hours, typically a Wednesday morning or Thursday afternoon. The next meeting is scheduled for Thursday, April 7. This is not an ad hoc position to be called until we find someone, but an appointed subcommittee that would fulfill this specific role but not all the members must attend for staff to make a decision. These meetings usually last an hour, but there could be two or three on a day. Moore asked if anyone would be interested in this subcommittee. Paul asked that Cook explain the next item before anyone made a commitment to the first subcommittee. 8.Discussion and consideration on participants for the Economic Review Subcommittee. Cook explains this subcommittee meets to review applications that have been made with the statement that there is no economically viable use for that property. This person should be someone that does not have a financial or personal interest in the property but that will have knowledge of economic development in the area. This should not be a HARC member or staff member. Cook suggests getting a pool of people to choose from that could be called to review applications. Firth suggested Cook or staff write a letter explaining the position and qualifications and then the letters could be handed out and interest noted. Moore then asked again for volunteers of the Demolition Subcommittee. Firth, Ibsen-Schrum and Paul volunteered. Motion by Rapp to appoint those three individuals to the Subcommittee. Second by Herriott. Approved 7 – 0. 9.Discussion on UDC, Design Guidelines and HARC Bylaws. Cook reported that the Legal Department of the City and the City Secretary’s office were reviewing all the board and commission bylaws for consistency. HARC’s bylaws were recently revised, last October, and the City Secretary might be sending the bylaws back to the commission for review and revision within the next few months. The Design Guidelines are being updated and freshened up based on the Unified Development Code updates and ordinances that have been passed in the past months. Staff is working with the original author, Noré Winter, with those updates. Commissioner comments are being incorporated into the document also. The Guidelines will be coming to the Commissioners sometime this summer for review. Cook also reminded everyone that the Commissioners are required to have training twice a year per their bylaws. With the new members now appointed, this would be a good time to have an overview of the Design Guidelines and Downtown Master Plan, along with a detailed discussion of the new UDC updates on demolition and infill in the Downtown Overlay District. Everyone reviewed their calendars. Consensus was to meet on Tuesday, April 19, 2011. Dinner will be served at 5:00 p.m. and the training session would begin at 5:30 p.m. 10. Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on April 28, 2011. Moore asked the commissioners in training (CIT) if they had any comments. Wahrenbrock asked about receiving the same information that the commissioners had. Wyler explained that the packet materials would be provided to them in the future, but were not included this time because the new CIT were not appointed when the applicants submitted their materials and there were not any extras to send. The number of materials required for future submittals is being increased. Wahrenbrock and Welch both questioned their ability to comment or deliberate on any of the items. Cook stated they were not allowed to deliberate each item on the agenda, but that she would look into the ability to participate through comments at the beginning or end of each meeting. This may be allowed as a standard agenda item. Wyler reminded the commissioners that the Sign Subcommittee meets on the second Wednesday at 4:00 p.m. and the 4th Thursday at 5:30 p.m., but there will not be a meeting on April 13 for lack of applications. 11.Adjournment Moore adjourned the meeting at 8:10 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, February 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, February 24, 2011 at 05:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp; Susan Firth Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from both the January 12, 2010 and February 9, 2010 Sign Subcommittee meetings. 2. Discussion and possible approval of a letter from the HARC Sign Subcommittee addressing meeting with Downtown groups to discuss and receive input on Downtown window sign regulations preceding the finalization of updates to the Downtown Design Guidelines. * The following items will begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m. 3. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (s/pt), also known as All Things Kids, located at 703 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-002) 4. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 10, Lots 6 & 7 (s/pt), also known as Brunner Law Firm and the Law Offices of Kathryn Figueredo Fowler, located at 207 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-003) 5.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for February 24, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, February 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , February 24, 2011. Members Present: Ron Pergl; Susan Firth; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Pergl called the meeting to order at 5:07 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from both the January 12, 2010 and February 9, 2010 Sign Subcommittee meetings. Motion by Firth to approve both sets of minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 2. Discussion and possible approval of a letter from the HARC Sign Subcommittee addressing meeting with Downtown groups to discuss and receive input on Downtown window sign regulations preceding the finalization of updates to the Downtown Design Guidelines. Wyler presented the letter. Rapp suggested finishing the second sentence more completely, with the addition of “for advertising and business owner’s desire.” Cook suggested adding to the second paragraph, “and fosters a more economically viable downtown.” It was also suggested that all the groups that were receiving the letter be listed as a cc: at the bottom of the letter. Motion by Rapp to accept the letter with changes as noted, and to present this letter to the entire Commission at the March meeting to include the new members before presenting the letter to the other downtown organizations. Second by Firth. Approved 3 – 0. Pergl called a recess to wait until the following items could be considered as posted. * The following items will begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m. Pergl reconvened the meeting at 5:30 p.m. 3. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (s/pt), also known as All Things Kids, located at 703 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-002) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance from HARC to install a flush-mounted wall sign, two window signs and a hanging sign for the new business. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the new flush-mounted wall sign, hanging sign and two window signs with the following condition: 1)The applicant should ensure the flush-mounted wall sign is installed at the same level as the adjacent building’s flush-mounted wall sign as encouraged in the Guidelines. Both buildings have the same parapet wall height so this should not be an issue. Ray Shawley of Affordable Signs was present as the applicant’s agent to answer any questions. Rapp confirmed that the gray background depicted on the application was indeed clear glass color. Rapp questioned the plastic sign that is currently in the window. Mr. Shawley explained that the customer wants to use the sign in the future, but that is not part of the application at this time. He considers it a temporary sign. Motion by Rapp to accept the application as submitted for a CDC but with the condition that the flush mounted sign must be the same height as the others on that block of the square and that the plastic sign must be eliminated. Second by Firth. Rapp amended her original motion to include removal of all temporary signs when the permanent signs are installed. Second by Pergl. Amendment approved 3 – 0. Original motion passed 3 – 0. 4. Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 10, Lots 6 & 7 (s/pt), also known as Brunner Law Firm and the Law Offices of Kathryn Figueredo Fowler, located at 207 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-003) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance from HARC to reface an existing monument sign for her new business. The sign, currently installed in the front yard of the subject property, has an L-shape limestone base with wooden sign face. The applicant proposes to change the name to include the two businesses located within the building by removing the existing face, currently covered by a temporary banner, and replacing it with the design shown on the provided rendering and in the sign details below. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the new face on the existing monument sign with two conditions: 1)The applicant should paint the flag emblem on the vertical stone area to match the proposed dark brown on the sign face. 2)No landscaping should be removed unless approved by staff to ensure compliance with the site plan. Mr. Brunner, the applicant, was available for questions or comments. Firth stated she thought the fonts on the sign should match and be of consistent size. The names should have the dropped cap style and the phone numbers of each office should be the same size, along with the type of law firm. She also wants the emblem and the border of the sign to match in color. The other commissioners were in agreement. Motion by Firth to approve the CDC for signage with the condition that the fonts be matched and brought back to staff for final confirmation, the emblem match the color of the border, and a landscaping plan be submitted to staff for approval before any work is done. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 5.Adjournment. Chair Pergl adjourned the meeting at 5:50 p.m. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for February 24, 2011. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, February 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, February 24, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore, Chair; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; J.C. Johnson; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a continuation of a regularly scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 27, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. 2.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (s/pt), also known as All Things Kids, located at 703 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-002) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 10, Lots 6 & 7 (s/pt), also known as Brunner Law Firm and the Law Offices of Kathryn Figueredo Fowler, located at 207 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-003) Regular Agenda: 4. Public hearing and possible action on an amendment to an approved Certificate of Design Compliance for an addition to a non-historic structure at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 1 – 4 (pts), also known as Galaxy Cupcakes, located at 107 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2011-001) 5. Follow-up from the Sign Subcommittee on a letter addressing meeting with Downtown groups to discuss and receive input on Downtown window sign regulations preceding the finalization of updates to the Downtown Design Guidelines. 6. Discussion on recent UDC updates as they relate to HARC. 7. Staff comments and reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on March 24, 2011. 8. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, February 24, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , February 24, 2011. Members Present: Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Greg Herriott; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: Will Moore, Chair and Larry Moseley Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Dee Rapp, Vice Chair called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 27, 2011 Regular HARC meeting. Motion by Johnson to approve. Second by Pergl. Approved 5 – 0. 2.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (s/pt), also known as All Things Kids, located at 703 S. Main Street. (CDC-2011-002) 3.Public hearing and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 10, Lots 6 & 7 (s/pt), also known as Brunner Law Firm and the Law Offices of Kathryn Figueredo Fowler, located at 207 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2011-003) Pergl, Chair of the Sign Subcommittee reported that both items, 2 and 3, were approved by the Sign Subcommittee and did not need further action. Regular Agenda: 4. Public hearing and possible action on an amendment to an approved Certificate of Design Compliance for an addition to a non-historic structure at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 1 – 4 (pts), also known as Galaxy Cupcakes, located at 107 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2011-001) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant returns to HARC to request a thirteen-foot extension to the original addition to allow for a small office within. The addition, shown in the details below, will be added to the north side of the already approved expansion. The height, width, design and materials will be consistent with CDC-2010-004 approval. The only noticeable difference will be the extension of the east wall further north from the roll-up doors. The structure will look similar from the north side. The view from 7th Street will remain the same. Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance amendment as proposed by the applicant. The Commissioners did not have any specific questions for the applicant, Tom Nichols, with the exception of Firth who questioned the style of the roof and verified the details. It was also commented that drawings of the details that were provided were too minute to be legible. In the future, it was requested that plans of buildings with specific details should be larger and legible. Motion by Pergl to accept the application and approve the amended CDC. Second by Herriott. Approved 5 – 0. 5. Follow-up from the Sign Subcommittee on a letter addressing meeting with Downtown groups to discuss and receive input on Downtown window sign regulations preceding the finalization of updates to the Downtown Design Guidelines. The letter was presented to the commissioners and W yler reviewed the small proposed language corrections that the Sign Subcommittee requested. There was a discussion of the proposed timeline. The letters will probably be sent in late March with proposed meetings to be held in April. 6. Discussion on recent Unified Development Code (UDC) updates as they relate to HARC. Elizabeth Cook presented the recent changes of the UDC including an overview of residential additions and infill within the Old Town Overlay District and the changes to the requirements for issuing a CDC for demolition or relocation in the Old Town Overlay District. Specific details will be provided at a later time with specific application that relate to the changes. 7. Staff comments and reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on March 24, 2011. Staff also reminded the group that the next Sign Subcommittee will be held on March 9, 2011. There will only be Firth and Rapp Pergl stated he spoke for Moseley also in thanking everyone for the opportunity to serve on the Commission and that he had enjoyed his time there. He said he appreciates everyone’s hard work. Johnson stated he was impressed with how technical that the process has become and he has enjoyed almost every minute of serving and he will miss everyone, wishes everyone good luck and good skill. Rapp stated the commissioners had all enjoyed working with Johnson, Pergl and Moseley and that all would be missed. (This was the last meeting of their appointments.) 8. Adjournment. Rapp adjourned the meeting at 6:46 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee with possible attendance by other HARC members City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, February 9, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee with possible attendance by other HARC members will meet on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Williamson Conference Room, Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee with possible attendance by other HARC members Members: Susan Firth; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 9, 2010 Sign Subcommittee Meeting. 2. Discussion regarding meetings with other Downtown groups in response to action by the Commission on January 27, 2011 directing the Sign Subcommittee to discuss possible direction of downtown signage with said Downtown groups. 3. Adjourn. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee with possible attendance by other HARC members City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, February 9, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee with possible attendance by other HARC members of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , February 9, 2011. Members Present: Ron Pergl; Susan Firth; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Pergl called the meeting to order at 4:17 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 9, 2010 Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Rapp to accept the minutes as presented. Second by Firth. Approved 3 – 0. 2. Discussion regarding meetings with other Downtown groups in response to action by the Commission on January 27, 2011 directing the Sign Subcommittee to discuss possible direction of downtown signage with said Downtown groups. Commissioners discussed the best approach to opening the conversation with other downtown groups in regards to “open” signs and window signs in the downtown area. They discussed which groups should be included and the approach of stating this is an enforcement issue or whether the group is considering options for inclusion in the revised/ amended Unified Development Code and Design Guidelines. They decided to start with seeking input from the other groups of the Downtown Georgetown Association (DGA) and the Main Street Advisory Board(MSAB). The suggestion is to define signage that maintains the historic character of downtown while meeting the signage needs of the downtown business owners. It was decided that staff, Wyler and Cook, will draft a letter to the DGA and MSAB and bring it back to the February 24, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting for approval. The Subcommittee will meet earlier, 5:00 p.m., to discuss the letter and future process. This letter will go to those groups with proposed meeting dates in April. Then newly appointed HARC members will have an opportunity to participate. Staff estimates this could be a six month process. 3.Adjournment. Pergl adjourned the meeting at 5:36 p.m. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for February 24, 2011. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, January 27, 2011 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore, Chair; Susan Firth; Gregg Herriott; J.C. Johnson; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a continuation of a regularly scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 9, 2010 Regular HARC meeting and the minutes from the continuation of that meeting on December 20, 2010. Regular Agenda: 2. Consideration and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a house and garage in Snyder Addition, Block 1 (se/pt), located at 707 E. 13th Street. (CDC-2010-032) 3. Consideration and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the relocation of a house in Eubank Addition, Block 4, Lot 11, located at 1809 S. Main Street. (CDC-2010-033) 4. Discussion and possible direction on illuminated window signs Downtown as requested by Commissioner Firth. 5. Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on February 24, 2011. 6. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 27, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , January 27, 2011. Members Present: Will Moore, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Greg Herriott; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: Larry Moseley Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Moore called the meeting to order at 6:08 p.m. There was a slight delay due to technical difficulties with the computer programs and projector. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 9, 2010 Regular HARC meeting and the minutes from the continuation of that meeting on December 20, 2010. Motion by Pergl to accept the minutes of both meetings as presented. Second by Rapp. Approved 5 – 0. (Johnson not on the dais yet.) Regular Agenda: 2. Consideration and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a house and garage in Snyder Addition, Block 1 (se/pt), located at 707 E. 13th Street. (CDC-2010-032) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for the demolition of both a house and detached garage. Waters Property Management, who has managed the property for the last several years, states they are unable to lease it out due to deteriorating conditions. This is due to the shifting and sinking of the floor, rotten walls, broken and shifting windows, the garage leaning due to rotten boards, a shifted roof and buckling ceiling. At this time there are no proposed plans for the property. Any new construction will have to comply with all City rules and regulations but will not require HARC approval. The applicant will be required to obtain all the proper permits prior to demolition. Based on the applicant’s materials and staff’s analysis, staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of the Low-Priority house and accessory structure. The applicant, Edwin Lansford, Jr., was available for questions and comments. Moore opened the Public Hearing at 6:13 p.m. He closed the Public Hearing at 6;13 p.m. as there were not any speakers. Rapp opened the discussion by asking Mr. Lansford how, with a property management company, this house was allowed to get to this point. Mr. Lansford responded that he actually did extensive repairs to the house in the 1990’s, including new sheetrock, tub, and bathroom. But that the house sits on a low level of the land and that most of the deterioration of the house was due to wet and rotting wood. He also stated that the tenant did not ever call for any repairs so Mr. Lansford and the property management company did not inspect the property. Mr. Lansford was asked if he would consider fixing the house and renting it again. He stated felt that the house was too small to rent today at only 620 square feet, and only one bath in the house. The house sits on 2.6 acres and he wants to build something bigger that would bring in more than $450 a month in rent. His present intent is to leave the lot vacant until he can sell it for a profit. Firth stated she felt this was definitely a case of “demolition by neglect” and that it could have been avoided. Johnson stated he always wants to save the old houses, but accepts that this is a case of weather causing the wood to rot and he does not see that it can be salvaged. Herriott agreed with him. Moore stated that it was disturbing that a charming little house like this could get to this condition. Moore explained to Mr. Lansford that even though he has a property management company the ultimate responsibility for the property lies with the property owner. Motion by Firth to deny the CDC for demolition. Second by Johnson. Approved 4 – 2. (Pergl and Herriott opposed.) Moore explained to Mr. Lansford the process of returning to the HARC in 175 days after making attempts to relocate or save the house. 3. Consideration and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for the relocation of a house in Eubank Addition, Block 4, Lot 11, located at 1809 S. Main Street. (CDC-2010-033) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for the relocation of a house. The applicant wishes to relocate the house to another location and build a new home in a style he states would enhance the historic district. The structure is not listed as an historic structure on either the 1984 or 2007 Historic Resources Survey. Staff recommends approval of the relocation. Jerry Oliver, the owner was present for questions and comments. Chair Moore opened the public hearing at 6:42 and closed it due to lack of speakers. Mr. Oliver began by speaking about the property. He stated that he had the property inspected by a certified inspector and the result is that it would cost up to $8000 to bring the house up to plumbing and electrical code. The house has asbestos siding that will have to be removed whether the house moves or not. His plan is to move the house to Jonah, off east Hwy 29, and replace the siding with log cabin style siding. He has land there and one of his caretakers and family will live in the house. Mr. Oliver introduced Curtis Janis, the contractor that will be replacing the current house. The proposed house is 2500 square feet, is Victorian style with a 3 car garage detached, and proposes to preserve the character of the historic district. Pergl began the discussion by questioning what happened to the carport. Oliver explained that they removed it before knowing that they needed a permit. Herriott confirmed that this was a removal not a demolition. Johnson questioned the origination of the structure. Oliver responded that he estimated that the house was from the WWII era and that he thinks it was moved from the Ft. Hood area, possibly a barracks. Firth questioned how long Mr. Oliver owned the property. He stated about 130 – 150 days. Rapp questioned his original intent for the property’s use. He stated he had intended to use it for a rental until he found out how much it would cost to bring it up to code. Commissioners expressed disappointment that Mr. Oliver was not present for the scheduled walk through earlier that week. Mr. Oliver explained that he had another appointment but had left the door open. Commissioners expressed that they would not enter a house when the owner was not present. Moore asked Wyler to confirm with all future walk-throughs that the owner would be present. Motion by Firth to approve the relocation of the house located at 1809 S. Main Street. Second by Herriott. Approved 6 – 0. 4. Discussion and possible direction on illuminated window signs Downtown as requested by Commissioner Firth. Firth opened this item and read a statement explaining her concern over the large number of neon type, unapproved signs that have been appearing in the downtown area. Commissioners discussed whether this was a code enforcement issue or an education of the business owners issue. They discussed that possibly the Design Guidelines should better address signage. Cook suggested working with the downtown groups to find a win/win solution and to determine what will be appropriate and supported by the city council, business owners and other organizations. Motion by Firth to charge the Sign Subcommittee with meeting with Downtown Georgetown Association, the Main Street Advisory Board and possibly others to develop sign standards that will address maintaining the historic character of downtown, educating the business owners of the standards and developing enforceable standards in the Design Guidelines. Second by Rapp. Approved 6 – 0. 5. Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on February 24, 2011. It was discussed that there were not any applications for the February 9, 2011 Sign Subcommittee meeting, but that they would meet at the regular time to discuss the charge that was made (in item 4 above). 6. Adjournment. Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 7:34 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, January 25, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 at 08:30 AM in the 707 E. 13th Street and 1809 S. Main Street If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Greg Herriot; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 08:30 AM Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a walk-through of the sites on Tuesday, January 25, 2011. This is discovery action of a HARC agenda item that will be discussed and action taken on January 27, 2011. The application for 707 E. 13th is for a demolition request. The application for 1809 S. Main Street is for a relocation request. Commissioners have asked for a walk-through and further review of the properties before taking action. There will be discussion at the properties, but no action will be taken at this time. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, January 25, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Tuesday , January 25, 2011. Members Present: Members Absent: Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Minutes Regular Meeting This was a walkthrough of properties. No minutes or attendance was taken. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, January 12, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp; Susan Firth Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 9, 2010 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2. Discussion and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5 (pt), also known as Accents on the Square, located at 714 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2010-031) 3.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 27, 2011. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Brettle, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2011, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Brettle, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, January 12, 2011 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , January 12, 2011. Members Present: Ron Pergl; Susan Firth; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Pergl called the meeting to order at 4:02 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 9, 2010 Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Firth to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. 2. Discussion and possible action on a Certificate of Design Compliance for new signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5 (pt), also known as Accents on the Square, located at 714 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2010-031) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval from HARC for four (4) new business signs. The first is a canopy mounted sign that will read “Accents on the Square, Consigned & New” in the business’ font. The two-foot by eight-foot Moderate Density Overlay (MDO) wood sign will be attached to an existing sign bracket located on the canopy from a previous business. Colors for the sign, including the backdrop, consist of spruce green, black and white. The second sign will be installed under the Austin Avenue canopy, perpendicular to the entrance door. This sign will use the same color and design as the canopy mounted sign and will be hung with metal chains. The applicant has stated that there will be a seven (7) foot clearance between the hanging sign and sidewalk, as required by the Design Guidelines. This sign will also be constructed of MDO wood. The third proposed sign will be installed on the Austin Avenue storefront window using vinyl lettering. The proposed lettering will be the same as the previously mentioned signs, but the colors will be limited to white and spruce green. The words “Accents on the Square” will be white on this sign to provide better visibility to pedestrians. Lastly, the applicant wishes to place an A-frame sign along the Austin Avenue sidewalk. The MDO wood sign, to be left out only during hours of operation, has been sized to meet all Design Guideline requirements and will have the same design features as the other signs. The sign, attached to the sidewalk using an I-bolt and steel wire, will have a metal handle and chain to restrict the width when open. Wyler recommends approval of the CDC with concern that the sign will mask the transom windows found above the canopy and that attaching the sign to the canopy, via the tie rods, is not traditional. HARC might consider talking to the applicant and agent to see if this is a possible alternative location for the sign. If not, possibly the sign could be installed directly onto the canopy like others found around the square. The applicant, Navita Elwell, spoke and stated she prefers the canopy sign on the bracket instead of on the façade as suggested. Rapp asked her about the window signage. Ms. Elwell stated she wants to include the address, phone and email in small lettering. Firth suggests putting that information on the door as others do. Pergl suggests discussing each sign separately. The hanging sign was discussed first. Pergl stated he agrees with the border suggestion from staff, but to make the border either black or spruce green to match the other signs. The A-frame sign was discussed. Firth wanted to insure the anchoring of the sign. The commissioners wanted the black border to incorporate the entire sign and the dry erase portion of the sign should be 13.5 inches by 31 inches. Firth suggested painting the handle black. The canopy sign was discussed and the sign needs a black border and the board of the sign needs to be large enough to cover the entire bracket, not leave any metal bracket visible from the front. The window sign was discussed. The commissioners explained that having the spruce colored letters on a white background would block too much of the window. They suggested using white lettering, in the same font and design, leaving the spruce colored bar with white lettering inside the color bar. The additional information that Ms. Elwell was asking for could be placed on the door. There was discussion of using a small interchangeable sign that the hours could be changed on. Ms. Elwell suggested putting that in the window. The Commissioners did not agree with that idea. Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC for signage for 714 S. Austin with the following conditions: the hanging sign must include a black or spruce colored border as proposed by the commissioners, the A-frame sign would include a black or spruce border, with the handles painted black and the method of attachment or reinforcement to the sidewalk be similar to others on that side of the street, that the window sign be changed to white vinyl lettering attached directly to the window with the spruce color bar and white lettering for the words “consigned and new”, and that all additional information, hours open, website, etc., be submitted to staff at a later date for administrative approval. Second by Firth. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Adjournment. Pergl adjourned the meeting at 4:45 p.m. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 27, 2011.