HomeMy WebLinkAboutHARC_Agenda&Minutes_2009Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 10, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, December
10, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the City Council and Courts Building, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown,
TX 78626
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 12, 2009 Sign 1.
Subcommittee meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern,
located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042)
Adjournment3.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for
December 10, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 10, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , December 10, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore, Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Call to order by Chair Moore at 5:30 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 12, 2009 Sign 1.
Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Pergl to accept the minutes as presented . Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern,
located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of two hanging signs,
window signage and a new A-frame sign for the new Landmark Tavern, located on the
second floor of the historic Masonic Lodge building. The applicant, Joe Dowda, has agreed
with staff that any signage on the building facade would detract from the historic features
of the building and is therefore asking for different styles of signage along the sidewalk.
Landmark Tavern has both a Main Street and a 7
th
Street entrance. Each hanging sign will
be hung perpendicular and in front of each door , under the canopy and connected with two
chains. Secondly, the applicant is requesting etched-style appliqués of the logo on the glass
of several doors. Two windows and one door on Main Street in addition to two doors
along 7
th
Street will receive the window signage. A beige-colored wooden A-frame is
proposed in front of the 7
th
Street entrance. Details are described in full in the written
report. Guidelines that support the staff recommendation of approval are 9.1, 9.6, 9.7, 9.11,
and 9.17.
Wyler also presented new drawing for the commissioners that proposed the same signs
with a different font chosen. The applicant asked to change the font after the packets were
submitted. The colors and sizes of the proposed signage would remain the same. Mr.
Dowda explained the new font is more “lyrical” and in keeping with the musical focus of
the bar.
Commissioner Pergl questioned Mr. Dowda’s intent to minimize the logo. Dowda
explained he just wants to make it all look right. He explained that he did not want to place
his signage on 8
th
Street, but was requesting a sign on Main Street as Monica’s was .
Rapp stated she likes the signs, but expressed concern regarding the arrow on the A -frame
sign. She would prefer the use of “UPSTAIRS” to indicate the location of the bar. Other
commissioners agreed. Dowda agreed to use the word and remove the arrow. He will keep
the red color to match the red doors.
Motion by Rapp to accept the revised font as submitted, allowing the hanging signs and
window signs as submitted, and accepting the A-frame sign with the arrow removed and
the word “upstairs” used. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Adjournment
Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 5:42 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 10, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 06:00
PM in the City Council and Courts Building, located at 101 E. 7th Street Georgetown, TX 78626
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City
Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing
Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design
Guidelines and Unified Development Code.
(Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at
the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose
authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.)
Welcome and Meeting Procedures:
Staff Presentation
Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission)
Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant
Comments from Citizens *
Applicant Response
Commission Deliberative Process
Commission Action
* Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the
recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be
permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes.
This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for
consideration and possible action on the following :
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 22, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern,
located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042)
Regular Agenda:
3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the removal of a house at Glasscock Addition, Block 4,
Lot 3, located at 910 Rock Street. (CDC-2009-037)
4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a detached garage at Eubank
Addition, Block 4, Lot 3, located at 1806 Eubank Street. (CDC-2009-038)
5.Certificate of Design Compliance for signage and site/exterior review related to a
residential structure changing to a non-residential structure in the Old Town Historic
Overlay, at Hughes Addition, Block 3 (pt), to be called the McIntosh Snyder House Bed &
Breakfast, located at 514 and 516 East University Avenue. (CDC-2009-041)
6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting that will take place on January 28, 2010.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 10, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
December 10, 2009.
Members Present:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie
Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m.
This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for
consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 22, 2009 regular meeting.
Moore stated the Sign Subcommittee approved the sign for the Landmark Tavern (item 2)
at it’s meeting at 5:30 p.m. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as presented .
Second by Johnson. Approved 7 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern,
located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042)
Regular Agenda:
3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the removal of a house at Glasscock Addition, Block 4,
Lot 3, located at 910 Rock Street. (CDC-2009-037)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is proposing to remove and relocate the
house to Thorndale, Texas where he has purchased a lot. He intends to renovate the house
for rental use. the house is currently deteriorating rapidly and surrounded on both sides by
parking lots. The owner would like to relocate the house before any further deterioration
can occur.
Guideline 7.13 is used to support the staff recommendation of approval for this CDC.
Mr. Hill, the owner of the house and applicant, was available for comment. Johnson
commented that this was not an old, old house and that the area was fast becoming
commercial so this was a good opportunity for the house to be saved.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for removal of this house. Second by Moseley.
Approved 7 – 0.
Firth recused herself from the room for the following item filing an Affidavit of Conflict of
Interest for the property.
4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a detached garage at Eubank
Addition, Block 4, Lot 3, located at 1806 Eubank Street. (CDC-2009-038)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is requesting demolition of the garage to
allow for an expansion to the main house. The applicant has stated the detached garage is
not original to the 1946 main house. The UDC allows for administrative approval of
demolition of any non-historic structures in the Old Town Overlay. However, staff brought
this to the Commission due to the uncertainty of the structure’s age. The Commission had
the opportunity to see the garage on Tuesday to determine any possible value. Staff
recommends approval of the demolition permit.
Moore commented on the walk-through, stating the age of the garage could not be
determined, it was not in good shape and appeared to not have been built structurally
sound to begin with. He didn’t think the garage was worth saving.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for demolition of the garage . Second by Moore.
Approved 6 – 0.
Rapp recuses herself for the next item due to a possible conflict of interest from being an
existing bed and breakfast owner, and filing an Affidavit of Conflict of Interest. Firth came
back into the room and took her seat on the dais .
5.Certificate of Design Compliance for signage and site/exterior review related to a
residential structure changing to a non -residential structure in the Old Town Historic
Overlay, at Hughes Addition, Block 3 (pt), to be called the McIntosh Snyder House Bed &
Breakfast, located at 514 and 516 East University Avenue. (CDC-2009-041)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant/owner, Lee McIntosh, is requesting
approval for the site layout. As detailed in the provided conceptual site and landscape
plan, the property has pre-existing rear parking spaces that are screened from both
University and College Streets as well as existing landscaping. The applicant has stated the
residential feel of the property will be maintained and that no changes, outside of some
minor landscaping, should occur. Currently, the two structures are separated by a bricked
central driveway that provides access off University Avenue to a rear parking area. Some
of the parking spaces will be located inside a garage and doors on the garages will maintain
screening from University Avenue as required by the UDC. The remainder spaces are
hidden from either a stucco wall or the structures themselves. The applicant will be
required to stripe all spaces prior to opening the B&B establishment. Upon approval of the
conceptual site layout from HARC, the applicant will be submitting an official site and
landscape plan to Staff for approval.
Secondly, the applicant proposes placing a freestanding sign along University Avenue that
will advertise the B&B. The sign, to measure 3.5 feet tall by 5 feet wide, will be located just
west of the central driveway and will read “McIntosh Snyder House, All Suite Bed and
Breakfast” with “Est. 1880” below in addition to a hanging plate with a contact number
below that measures 6 inches tall by 3.5 feet wide. The sign will stand at a height of 4.5 feet
and will be constructed with two exterior grade six-inch by six-inch treated posts and
marine grade fir plywood for the sign face. The poles and verbiage will be forest green, to
match the gates and other details on the building. The sign face will be pale yellow,
matching the color of the two structures. It will have off-white accents and tone on the
background and will be lit by two in -ground lighting fixtures positioned at the base of the
sign. Staff recommends approval of the new freestanding sign, as well as the existing site
layout based on Guidelines 7.11, 8.19, 8.21, 8.22, 8.24, 8.25, 9.2, 9.3, 9.15, and 9.17.
Mr. McIntosh said he no additional comments at this time. Commissioners asked clarifying
questions. There will be one sign for the two buildings. Johnson spoke regarding the
naming of the house. He stated there is not a law on a double name house, but tradition
has the name of the builder as the first name given, and the second name is the name of the
architect. Snyder was the original owner of the house and the house was split after his
ownership. Johnson questions whether the historical naming tradition should be followed .
He also questioned the “Established in 1880” wording since this was actually constructed in
1880 and not a bed and breakfast establishment at that point.
Mr. McIntosh spoke to those points. He stated he had always referred to the houses as the
Dudley-Snyder House and it is not his intent to mislead anyone by inferring that McIntosh
built the home . His marketing team wanted McIntosh, objecting to Snyder for the way it
sounds. And the previous owners were the Steenkens , and they did not like that either .
McIntosh agreed to change the signage to state the building was constructed in 1880, not
established. He also agreed to work on the naming. Johnson stated that Georgetown as a
whole values these houses and appreciates the work being done by McIntosh to revive
them.
Moore questioned the comment by staff that additional landscaping might be added.
Wyler responded that they were leaving options open for the commission. The addressing
of the properties was questioned. This will remain two different addresses unless replatted
as one lot. The number of parking spaces was discussed and it was determined that 10
spaces was enough. Moseley stated he appreciated Johnson’s comments and research and
is concerned about the wording of “established” also. He appreciates the work that is being
done to make this a quality bed and breakfast.
Pergl questioned the request for not requiring a sidewalk on College Street. McIntosh
stated he made the request to save the large pecan trees along the side of the property.
Cook stood up and stated that the commission has the ability to modify the site plan
requirements of a sidewalk, in order to protect the heritage trees. The trees in question are
14” heritage trees. And the change of use of these properties actually triggered the
requirement of a site plan with sidewalks. The Commission can give direction to staff to
work with Mr. McIntosh, referring to Guideline 8.19, to maintain the street trees.
Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for the requested sign and site layout, strongly
recommending the exemption of the sidewalk requirement on College Street with
regards to saving the trees. Second by Short. Approved 6 – 0.
Firth requests that color renderings be submitted with all future sign requests.
McIntosh voiced his thanks to the commission for their comments and stated he would be
attempting to open the business in February or March.
6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on January 28, 2010.
7.Adjournment
Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:48 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Tuesday, December 8, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 at 08:15 AM
in the 910 Rock Street and 1806 Eubank Street
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 08:15 AM
Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a
walk-through of the sites on Tuesday, December 8, 2009. This is discovery action of HARC agenda items
that will be discussed and action taken on December 10. The application for 910 Rock Street is for
relocation of the structure. The application for 1806 Eubank Street is for demolition of the structure.
Commissioners have asked for a walk-through and further review of the properties before taking action.
There will be discussion at the property, but no action will be taken at this time.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Tuesday, December 8, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Tuesday ,
December 8, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore, Susan Firth, and Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
not applicable
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner
Minutes
Regular Meeting
No minutes were taken at this possible meeting. No action was taken.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 12, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, November
12, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore, Ron Pergl, and Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing
and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based
upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled
meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 8, 2009, Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 5 (e/pt), also known as The Exchange at
Annarella, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Ste. A. (CDC-2009-039)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-039.pdf
3.Adjournment.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for December
10, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 12, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , November 12, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore, Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Call to order by Chair Moore at 4:00 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 8, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Moore asked for a motion. Pergl questioned whether his comment memo should be included or not.
Wyler responded that since the comments were not read into the minutes, it was considered as a
written comment and therefore not included in the minutes.
Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 5 (e/pt), also known as The Exchange at Annarella, located at 800
S. Austin Avenue, Ste. A. (CDC-2009-039)
Wyler presented the staff report. Due to a name change, the applicant seeks Certificate of Design
Compliance (CDC) approval for a new window sign on the business’ Austin Avenue display window.
The new logo measures 60 inches wide by 40 inches high, totaling 16.6 square feet. This is just
under 13% of the window’s total area and the same measurement as the existing window sign. The
painted sign will read “The Exchange at Annarella” in white lettering atop a Providence Blue and High
Park Green backdrop in the new business design with “a design & consign boutique” in white lettering
below. At the bottom of the display window, the applicant would like to have “Interior design studio
consignment men’s and women’s clothing, shoes, handbags, furniture, home accessories” in 2-inch
white letters taking up slightly less space than the current verbiage at the bottom of the window.
The applicant also seeks CDC approval to reface existing hanging and A-frame signs to complement
the new window sign. As detailed in the application packet, both signs will remain in the same location
but will be refaced. The hanging sign will use the same logo design as the window signage, only
reduced and centered on the wooden board. The A-frame sign will also use the same logo design,
but will utilize black letters below the business name. Both the current and the proposed signage are
within City regulations.
Guidelines used to support staff recommendation of approval are: 9.6, 9.7, 9.11, 9.17, and 9.18.
Rapp questions the design of the hanging sign. Wyler says it is mentioned on the rendering with a
note that the graphic would be the same with the border color up for discussion. Staff feels blue,
green, or black would be appropriate. The applicant says they will put up whatever the group votes
for.
Pergl and Rapp are concerned about the proportions of the hanging sign design since it is a different
format size than the others. Pergl also says the light fixture in front of one side of the hanging sign is
a concern and the applicant should look into that.
Will questioned the color of the border on the sign. There was a discussion of possible solutions to
designing the sign to fit. They were concerned about too many details, borders and arrows, and
wanting to make it more simple. They were happy with the border and size of the hanging sign.
Pergl questioned the lack of transparency of the new window sign, and the fact that it will not look
good from the inside and will block light. He suggested taking out the blue of the sign, making the
shadows blue to keep them with the theme and design, but allowing more light through the design.
Motion by Pergl to accept the approval of the signs, for the window sign consider the option of
leaving out the interior blue area and shadow blue in lieu of black and accepting the verbiage,
accepting the A-frame sign as applied, and having the hanging sign modified with staff
approval of the drawing of the stretched logo with a border. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Adjournment
Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:22 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, October 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 06:00 PM
in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is
responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development
Code.
(Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the
request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the
Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.)
Welcome and Meeting Procedures:
Staff Presentation
Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission)
Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant
Comments from Citizens *
Applicant Response
Commission Deliberative Process
Commission Action
* Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording
secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address
the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes.
This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration
and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 and September 24, 2009
regular meetings.
Regular Agenda:
2.Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65
(e/pt), located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #102, also known as Texas State Optical.
(CDC-2009-035)
3.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes at Dimmit Addition, Block 83 (nw/pt), also known
as Wag-a-bag, located at 602 E. University Avenue. (CDC-2009-037)
4.Discussion and possible action to create a site visit process for Commissioners for demolition and
other applications prior to action being taken.
5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on December 10, 2009.
6.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, October 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
October 22, 2009.
Members Present:
Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
West Short, Chair; Larry Moseley
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; and Karen
Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Vice-Chair Johnson called the meeting to order at 6:02 p.m. and welcomed everyone and read the
following meeting procedures.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is
responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified
Development Code.
He explained that if anyone needs instructions of the process of the meeting to let him know otherwise
everyone else should know what they are doing.
This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for
consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 and September 24, 2009
regular meetings.
Johnson explained that the reason for the delay of the August minutes was that a member asked for a
more thorough transcription of a specific item, and that was now included.
Motion by Moore to approve both sets of minutes. Second by Rapp. Firth brought forth a correction
to the September 24 minutes. On Item 1 of the consent agenda, there is a statement “Pergl stated
he” that was not completed. Johnson asked the Recording Secretary to see if that statement was
needed or a typo. (RS Frost researched this partial statement and discovered this was a
typographical error and stricken from the finalized minutes.) Vote called. Approved with the tentative
correction, 4 – 0. (Pergl was not present yet for this vote.)
Regular Agenda:
2.Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65
(e/pt), located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #102, also known as Texas State Optical.
(CDC-2009-035)
Moore first explained that the Sign Subcommittee asked that this item be forwarded to the entire
commission based on the fact that this was an requested amendment to a Master Sign Plan and that
recently that has created some conflicts. The Sign Subcommittee felt this should be reviewed by the
Commission.
Pergl entered the meeting.
Wyler presented the staff report. In October of 2005, HARC approved a Master Sign Plan for the
1102 S. Austin Avenue building. This approval included conditions for each tenant regarding signage
placement and allowances. Today, Texas State Optical (formerly Patel Eye Care), occupies Suite 102
and is given space for a hanging sign on each of two canopies due to its location at the corner of 11th
Street and Austin Avenue. This is in addition to allowed window lettering.
Dr. Patel, the applicant, has stated that the awning sign facing Austin Avenue is completely blocked by
a Crape Myrtle tree when in bloom. The 11th Street side of the building can physically accommodate a
flush-mounted wall sign rather than just a hanging sign but that this was not mentioned in the
approved Master Sign Plan. The existing conditions of the Master Sign Plan allow for only two
hanging signs for this particular suite, which are currently installed. Therefore, the applicant is asking
HARC to consider an amendment to the Master Sign Plan to replace the two hanging signs with two
flush-mounted wall signs for the corner suite that will be compatible with the building and provide
better advertisement for the business.
This item was originally taken to the October 8, 2009 HARC Sign Subcommittee. Because there was
one absent Subcommittee member and because the members at the meeting felt that an amendment
to a Master Sign Plan should be reviewed by the whole Commission, they took action to forward the
item onto the October 22, 2009 regular HARC.
The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval for a change in conditions for the 1102
S. Austin Avenue Master Sign Plan due to visibility issues and design appropriateness. Two types of
signs are proposed that will replace the applicant’s existing hanging signs. The first is for the addition
of two flush-mounted wall signs. One of these wall signs will face 11th Street. The oval logo proposed
is a Moderate Density Overlay (MDO) wood sign, the same type of material used on other signs
located on the building. The sign will be painted white with an Olympic Blue border around the edge
and “TSO” in black letters in the center. “Texas State Optical” will be in white, 1/2-inch raised letters
underneath the oval. The 11th Street sign will measure 42.1 inches high by 96 inches wide, a total
area of 28 square feet. Another flush-mounted wall sign will face Austin Avenue. It will be smaller,
measuring 21 inches high by 48 inches wide, a total area of seven (7) square feet, and will utilize the
same materials and design as the other sign. With both signs, the applicant prefers the “Texas State
Optical” be raised using the white acrylic lettering mounted to the building with metal studs with no
backdrop, as shown on the rendering for the Austin Avenue sign, but states that if HARC is
unfavorable to this design, the applicant is open to using a rectangle MDO sign board, painted black
or dark blue, with white vinyl lettering, as shown on the 11th Street sign rendering.
Neither flush-mounted wall sign will be illuminated and the applicant has stated that the canopy signs
will be removed upon installation of the wall signs. The Master Sign Plan, with proposed amended
language for Suite 102, has been provided by the applicant for HARC’s consideration detailing the
new wall signs as part of the Master Sign Plan.
In addition to amending the Master Sign Plan, the applicant would like to place an A-frame sign in
front of the Austin Avenue entrance door. The two-sided wooden sign will measure 24 inches wide by
36 inches high and will be made of MDO wood cut into the shape provided with the rendering. The
sign will read “TSO, Texas State Optical” in the same design and colors as the proposed wall signs
with an Olympic Blue arrow pointing to the front door and “Accepting most Medical & Vision
Insurance” in black lettering written below.
Guidelines cited that support staff recommendation of approval are 9.4, 9.5, 9.11, 9.13, 9.15, 9.17.
Wyler also provided written documentation of support from other businesses in the area, and draft
language of the proposed Master Sign Plan Amendment.
Johnson questions the tenant applying for the Master Sign Plan that was originally submitted by the
owner of the building. Wyler explained that he met with the applicant and the owner of the building
and that the owner is in full support of the amendment and his choice that the agent/ tenant submit
this application. Wyler pointed out the owner’s initials of approval on the application. Commissioners
requested either the owner’s attendance or written letter of approval. Wyler stated he would require a
letter of approval from owners from this point forward.
Other questions, Rapp is concerned about Master Sign Plan amendment and the affect of the
changes on the other tenants. Wyler stated the reason the applicant is bringing this forward is that
this building was built to accommodate signs like the one being applied for, but in 2005, the Master
Sign Plan that was requested and approved was only for hanging signs and window signs. This
amendment would not actually change the amount of signage allowed, nor the materials or colors, just
the types. Rapp says her concern is that the owner is not communicating the restrictions of the
master sign plan to his tenants. Others agreed.
Firth voiced concern over the Austin Avenue facing signage shown. Clarification was given that the
applicant was giving two choices to the commission to pick which one they wanted. The applicant
wants the signs to match, preferably with the raised lettering style. Firth also voiced concern over the
placement difference in height. The agent, Ray Shawley, of Affordable Signs, says this is because of
the height of the awning. There was further debate and discussion of the signage on Austin Avenue
and the disproportionate placement. Wyler proposed putting in the pitch of the roof on the side of the
building, which would balance the Austin Avenue signage height. Shawley says the tenant has to
make a choice about which space they would like to use since they are limited in amount of signage,
either wall or awning signage, not both. Johnson questions whether the owner has a preference.
Wyler stated “no, Mr. McIntosh was fine with either type of sign and signed the application”.
Firth confirms the signage that is proposed. Mr. Patel explains the signage he wants to address the
different types of traffic on that corner, the pedestrian and the automobiles.
Moore reiterated the need for a letter from the owner that states he understands the application and
possible consequences to the other tenants.
Firth confirmed which signage they wanted to use. Shawley and Patel said they would choose the
raised lettering signs. Rapp questioned the thickness of the proposed signs and the original master
sign plan requirements. Shawley says the original plan restricted only the thickness of the frame of
the sign. This amendment would allow a thicker sign. Rapp pointed out that this would affect all
tenants. It was stated that this would apply only to future tenants. Existing tenants fall under the
original plan.
Motion by Firth to accept the revised Master Sign Plan to include the signage request for Suite 102
with the stipulation that a letter is received from the owner agreeing to the Master Sign Plan changes.
Motion dies for lack of second. Cook explains that the owner currently must sign all applications for
tenant signage and is fully aware of all applications for his property that are filed with the city, this is a
requirement on the applications.
Firth moves to accept the revised Master Sign Plan as written. Second by Moore. Approved 5 –
0.
Moore moves to approve the CDC for Dr. Patel’s signs as written, including the A-frame with
the condition that it is taken in at night. Second by Rapp. Approved 5 – 0.
3.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes at Dimmit Addition, Block 83 (nw/pt), also known
as Wag-a-bag, located at 602 E. University Avenue. (CDC-2009-037)
Wyler presented the staff report. The owner of the property is asking for CDC approval for exterior
modifications that have been performed at the Wag-a-bag convenience store on University Avenue,
across from Williams Elementary. The building is not considered historic according to the
Georgetown Historic Resources Survey. Pictures of the recently installed metal roof have been
provided in the applicant’s packet and a sample of the Texas Rib gauge acrylic coated galvalume, with
1/2-inch ribs on 6-inch centers, was presented to the Commission at the meeting. There was no
change in the height or span of the roof and no other facade features on the building were changed
during the project.
The Guideline used to support the staff recommendation for approval was 6.24.
Firth questioned how this work could have been done without coming before the commission first.
Wyler explained that this was a code enforcement “catch” and that many times people state they
didn’t know they needed to come to the city for approval.
Rapp questioned the “darkening” of the metal roof and how much it would darken. Wyler gave an
example of the Curves business roof that was painted black. Pergl explained that the metal would
darken some, but that painting the metal was not always the best option as a lighter roof is more
energy efficient.
Motion by Moore to grant the CDC for the application as presented. Second by Pergl. Rapp
stated the property owner should be warned to come to the City with any future proposed changes
before doing them. Approved 5 – 0.
4.Discussion and possible action to create a site visit process for Commissioners for demolition and
other applications prior to action being taken.
Wyler opened the floor for discussion, stating that several commissioners were requesting site visits
for certain types of applications, and asking for a process to do that consistently. It was commonly
agreed to that the commissioners would like to view items that were up for demolition, relocation, or
on staff recommendation.
Motion by Rapp to add site visits as a regular process of review for applications of demolition,
relocation, and at staff recommendation, to be held generally on the Tuesday before a regular
HARC meeting, or as coordinated with the property owners. Second by Pergl. Approved 5 – 0.
5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on December 10, 2009.
6.Adjournment
Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 7:10 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, October 8, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, October 8,
2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 10, 2009, Sign
Subcommittee meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1 (pt), also known as the Quenan's Building,
located at 700 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-034)
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an
amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), to be known as Texas
State Optical, located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-035)
4. Consideration and possible action on a request for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51
(pt), also known as Interim Health Care, located at 111 W. 9
th
Street. (CDC-2009-036)
5.Adjournment
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for October
22, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, October 8, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , October 8, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
Ron Pergl
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Call to order by Chair Moore at 4:04 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 10, 2009, Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
Motion by Rapp to approve the minutes, second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1 (pt), also known as the Quenan's Building, located at 700 S.
Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-034)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new projecting directory sign
facing 7th Street. Details, including dimensions, colors and location of the sign have been provided in
the applicant’s submittal materials attached to the staff report. Guidelines used to support the staff
recommendation of approval are 9.8, 9.10, 9.13, and 9.17.
Rapp clarified the 90 degree angle of the sign and that it was not flush with the building. Wyler
confirmed. She also questioned the staff report recommending signage at 11 W. 9th Street. Wyler
stated that was a typographical error. Ray Shawley, applicant’s agent with Affordable Signs, also
confirmed the sign was to be placed on the existing 18 inch column, with the bracket as shown and at
least 8 feet over the existing sidewalk.
Motion by Rapp to accept the sign as detailed in the report. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0.
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an
amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), to be known as Texas State
Optical, located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-035)
Wyler began presenting the staff report and Chair Moore stopped him. Moore stated that since this
application was an amendment to a Master Sign Plan, and since that was a sensitive issue, he was
recommending that this item be carried over to the next regular meeting of the entire Commission.
Rapp concurred since she felt there were unanswered questions and she had different concerns even
than Pergl’s, which were submitted via a memo in his absence.
Motion by Rapp to table this item to the next full Commission meeting. Second by Moore.
Approved 2 – 0.
4. Consideration and possible action on a request for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51 (pt), also
known as Interim Health Care, located at 111 W. 9th Street. (CDC-2009-036)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new projecting sign above the
existing awning and vinyl lettering as window advertisement. Staff recommends approval of the
signage based on supporting Guidelines 9.6, 9.8, 9.15, 9.17, and 9.18.
Moore brought up Pergl’s comments which were: 1.The bracket for the projecting sign should mimic
the existing projecting sign bracket. And, 2. The projecting sign not extend out from the face of the
building further than the existing awning. Moore concurred. Wyler stated the applicant had assured
him these two items were taken into account and that the sign would be placed on an existing bracket,
and definitely not protrude beyond the awning.
Motion by Rapp to approve the signage as detailed in the staff report. Second by Moore. Approved
2 – 0.
5.Adjournment.
Confirmation of next meeting, October 22. Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:19 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at
09:00 AM in the structure of 214 W. 3rd Street, Georgetown, TX 78626
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth, J.C. Johnson, Will Moore, Larry Moseley, Ron Pergl, and Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 09:00 AM
Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a
walk-through of the site on Wednesday, September 30, 2009. This is follow-up action to a previous HARC
agenda item. The application was for demolition of this structure and no action was taken by HARC at the
time. Commissioners asked for a walk-through and further review of the property before taking action.
There will be discussion at the property, but no action will be taken at this time.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday
, September 30, 2009.
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Minutes
Regular Meeting
No minutes, nor attendance, were taken at this walk-through of the site. Posting only.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 24, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 06:00
PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City
Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing
Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design
Guidelines and Unified Development Code.
(Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at
the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose
authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.)
Welcome and Meeting Procedures:
Staff Presentation
Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission)
Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant
Comments from Citizens *
Applicant Response
Commission Deliberative Process
Commission Action
* Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the
recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be
permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes.
This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for
consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 regular meeting.
Regular Agenda:
Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes and signage at City of Georgetown, 1.
Block 39, Lots 1-4 (pts), to be known as Galaxy Cupcakes, located at 107 East 7
th
Street.
(CDC-2009-033)
Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on October 22, 2009.2.
Adjournment3.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 24, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
September 24, 2009.
Members Present:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
Will Moore
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:02 p.m. and reads the following meeting procedures.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is
responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development
Code.
(Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the
request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the
Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.)
Welcome and Meeting Procedures:
Staff Presentation
Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission)
Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant
Comments from Citizens *
Applicant Response
Commission Deliberative Process
Commission Action
* Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording
secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address
the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes.
This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration
and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 regular meeting.
Chair Short asks if there is any discussion or motion on the minutes. Rapp explains that she wanted
more detail on the more controversial items and that she would like to certain points that were made
at the meeting. Frost offered to transcribe the item in question. Short asked whether the audiotape
of the meeting was available for anyone that asked. Frost responded yes, it was available. Pergl
stated he
Motion by Rapp to table approval of the minutes as written until a transcription of Item 2 of the
August 27 meeting could be written into the minutes and posted on the web. Second by Johnson.
There was further discussion and clarification of the motion . Rapp amended her motion to be that
we ask that the minutes regarding Item 2 regarding Merrill Lynch be transcribed and included in the
minutes and that the discussion of the minutes be tabled until the next meeting. Second by Johnson.
Approved 6 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
2.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 39,
Lots 1-4 (pts), to be known as Galaxy Cupcakes, located at 107 East 7th Street. (CDC-2009-033)
Wyler presented the staff report. This is for a CDC for Galaxy Cupcakes to be located at 107 East 7th
Street, which is changing to 113 E. 7th Street. The address is changing, the building remains the
same. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval for facade changes including
the installation of wood paneling underneath the 7th Street display window, the replacement of
fixtures and address numbers, repainting and installation of new awnings, as well as new signage.
First, the applicant would like to replace the address numbers, light fixture and mailbox. A
description of all proposed changes was available in the applicant’s packet. Applicant is asking to
remove an existing fence around the side and back courtyard and turn that into an outdoor seating
area, with an application for that specific area to be submitted at a later date. They want to repaint
existing trim and add a wood panel beneath the front window. Two new black and white vertical
striped awnings are also proposed for the 7th Street facade. Signage was described in the staff
report.
Guidelines used to support staff recommendation of this application are 5.9, 6.7, 7.1, 9.4, 9.5, 9.6,
9.8, 9.13, 9.14, 9.15, 10.1, and 10.4.
Commissioners asked clarifying questions. Rapp questioned the cornice trim. Wyler projected a
recent picture to give better definition. There was discussion of having part of the building trim
painted black and part green. There was discussion about the placement of the hanging sign and
why it was presented lower. The applicants explained that their building is about a foot lower than
the other buildings on that sidewalk, even with a sloping sidewalk out front. And the other signs are
already hung, leaving a lower placement as the optimal location. This also affects the placement of
the awnings. The applicants, Cheryl Wilhite and Cherie Gilbert, stated the awnings and the sign will
need to be lower.
Rapp also questioned the fixture at the front door. The neighboring business fixtures face up and this
one is placed facing down. The applicant said the existing fixture is facing down . Firth brought up
that the other buildings are very different by nature and this one is designed to stand out. The
applicant concurs. Short questioned the size and location of the fixture and whether it would be in
the way of hurting someone if they ran into it. Wilhite stated their fixture is much smaller than the
one Short used as an example. The placement of the fixture was discussed and it was decided that if
it was placed according to ADA and electric code qualifications, and passed inspections, it would be
allowed.
The hanging sign’s bracket was discussed and Gilbert presented a bracket that was liked by the
commissioners more than the existing one originally presented. Commissioners and applicants
discussed some remembered history of the building . This building at one time was built all the way
to the corner. There was a fire in the 1800’s.. The buildings to the west were rebuilt and this
building was added on as a possible stable. Then the cinderblock addition was added much later . It
was Goodfellows Hall on the west side and this was a tin roof section that was attached to that
structure. The brick and height of this section of the building are different than those of the adjacent
structure.
Pergl brought up that he was not a fan of the black and white striped awnings. Gilbert explained that
the striped awning historically declared the building as a bakery. Pergl acquiesced but stated they
would have to be aware that their awnings would require more upkeep and maintenance than some
of the other styles.
Moseley made a motion that an approval of the CDC was granted with the following conditions: that
the painting of the cornice was not done, but left the existing color; the light fixture needs to be safe
and meet ADA guidelines. Second by Pergl. Rapp clarifies that the applicant is not to paint the
cornice trim black or not at all? Moseley states to not paint it black. Motion approved 6-0.
3.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on October 22, 2009.
Chair Short stated he will not be in attendance on October 22. Wyler was questioned about the
November and December meeting schedule. He explained that since both regular commission
meetings occurred during the holidays, the meetings were combined and the commission would meet
once on December 10, with the regular sign subcommittee before it.
4.Adjournment
Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:40 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 06:00
PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance at the
City Council Meeting of Tuesday, September 22, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Tuesday ,
September 22, 2009.
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Minutes
Regular Meeting
No minutes were taken for the Historic and Architectural Review commission as this was a City Council
Meeting. Posting only.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 10, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 04:00
PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing
and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based
upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled
meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009, Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lots 6 - 8 (pts), also known as Brazos Collection,
located at 817 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-031)
3.Adjournment
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for
September 24, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 10, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
September 10, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore, Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
Dee Rapp
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen
Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by Chair Will Moore at 4:01 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as written. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lots 6 - 8 (pts), also known as Brazos Collection, located at 817 S.
Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-031)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicants seeks CDC approval for window signage , including
the existing hours of operation and contact information, that are already displayed, and a new
business logo on the Austin Avenue storefront window. Unaware of downtown sign regulations, the
applicant installed both the white vinyl lettering advertising the contact information, hours of
operation and a business logo on the storefront window. The applicant was asked by staff to remove
the business logo sign but was allowed to leave the contact information with the condition they apply
for CDC approval through HARC.
The proposed signage for this business meets guidelines 9.6, 9.17, and 9.18 and staff recommends
approval of the CDC.
Pergl questioned whether the applicant (who was not present) was leaving the existing hanging sign.
Wyler stated that was their intent. Moore stated he likes the sign because they were able to use the
allowed 3 colors with black and white and still make it look like 15 marbled colors. Wyler stated the
sign was redesigned from the original design to only use the 3 colors plus black and white.
Motion by Pergl to approve the CDC for signage as requested. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0.
3.Adjournment
Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:08 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, August 27, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, August 27,
2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore, Rond Pergl, Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing
and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based
upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled
meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 13, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an 2.
amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known
as Tamiro Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-030.pdf
Adjournment3.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for August 27,
2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, August 27, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , August 27, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore, Chair; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Also in attendance: City Council members Pat Berryman, Dale Ross and Bill Sattler
Staff Present:
Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by Chair Moore at 5:30 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 13, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an
amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known as Tamiro
Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030)
Wyler presented the staff report. On October 30, 2008, a HARC approved Master Sign Plan for the
Tamiro Plaza office building was approved . This approval included conditions for each tenant on
signage placement and allowances. Merrill Lynch, occupying half of the 1st Floor, was given space on
a monument sign as well as ten-inch white lettering on the green sign freezes above each of its
business windows.
Merrill Lynch, the applicant, has stated that the legal corporate trademarked logo used worldwide
cannot be altered. The existing conditions of the Master Sign Plan prohibit the company from using
the corporate logo and disallow the type of signage proposed. The applicant seeks Certificate of
Design Compliance approval for additional signage to be added to the exterior of Tamiro Plaza. An
LED illuminated wall-mounted sign is proposed directly above a first floor window on both the Austin
Avenue and 5th Street sides of the building as shown in the application packet. Each sign will
measure eleven (11) feet wide by 2.6 feet tall and will be white with a black outline of the corporate
bull logo to the left of the business name. The plate where the letters and bull logo are will be
painted red to blend into the red brick of the building. The applicant believes this will reduce the
visibility of the sign outside of the letters and bull logo. A diagram detailing how the sign will be
attached and wired to the building has been provided along with details on the location, size and
color of the two signs.
Guidelines used to review this application were 9.4, 9.5, 9.13, 9.14, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18, 9.20 & 9.21.
Staff did not make a recommendation of approval or denial.
Chair Moore stated that he read the application and feels the considerations that need to be made
should be taken to the entire Commission for review. Motion by Pergl to defer the decision of this
application to the regular meeting to be held at 6:00 p.m. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Adjournment
Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 5:37 p.m.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for August 27, 2009 at 6:00 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, August 27, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM
in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 23, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an
amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known as Tamiro
Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-030.pdf
Regular Agenda:
3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Clamp’s Addition
Revised, Block A (nw/pt), located at 803 S. College Street. (CDC-2009-028)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-028.pdf
4.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block
39, Lots 2 & 3 (pts), to be known as Green Earth Energy Systems, Inc., located at 109 E. 7th Street.
(CDC-2009-029) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-029.pdf
5.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format.
6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on September 24, 2009.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, August 27, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
August 27, 2009.
Members Present:
West Short, Chair; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
Susan Firth
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Also in attendance: City Council members Pat Berryman, Dale Ross and Bill Sattler.
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 23, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an
amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known as Tamiro
Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030)
Commissioner Moore, Chair of the Sign Subcommittee requested that item number two be considered
by the entire commission as a regular agenda item. Item number two was discussed as a regular
agenda item.
Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 6 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
At the request of a Commissioner , item number two is presented here as a transcription , a complete
account of the meeting.
Short: That takes us to Item 2, which is consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of
Design Compliance for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan at Tamiro Plaza. Robbie why don’t you
go through that with us?
Wyler: Okay, and once again this is the item that was forwarded from the sign subcommittee. And on
October 30, 2008, HARC approved a Master Sign Plan for Tamiro Plaza, for all tenants within. The
master sign plan had set conditions per floor per tenant as to where they could put signage. The
applicant Merrill Lynch was given sign on the existing monument sign as well as space above their
current windows for white lettering. And at this time because of corporate regulations, the applicant
Merrill Lynch is asking for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan. That way they can propose a sign
that they feel is still appropriate and better advertises the building and they are, they have
restrictions on what they can and cannot put with their corporate signage. Within your packet I have
detailed the two LED illuminated signs that they’re bringing in front of you. This is what they are
asking via the amendment to the Master Sign Plan. Instead of having the white lettering above the
window on the green frieze, they are asking to place these brackets above the windows, the details in
terms of size is provided and would be a soft white glow to the signs. And the location is provided in
the pictures and I have provided a picture and a sample of what that red . . .and it should focus here
soon. The red behind the white that was mentioned is a sample of the actual of the actual color that
will be used. Will be matching to the brick . . . and I don’t know if we can turn down the lights it’s
sunny and there’s nothing we can do about that. That’s what we are talking about . It will not
exactly match but closely match the red brick on Tamiro Plaza.
And the guidelines that staff used on its recommendations are as follows. One is Guideline 9.4 which
is - A flush-mounted wall sign may be considered. Guideline 9.5 – A flush-mounted wall sign shall
not exceed one square foot for every one linear foot of facade. Guideline 9.13 – A sign should not in
any way obscure or compete with architectural details of an historic building facade. Guideline 9.14 –
Signs that are out of character with those seen historically and that would alter the historic character
of the street are inappropriate. Guideline 9.15 – Sign materials should be compatible with that of the
building facade. Guideline 9.17 – Use colors for the sign that are compatible with those of the building
front. Guideline 9.18 – A simple sign design is preferred. Guideline 9.20 – If internal illumination is
used, it should be designed to be subordinate to the overall building composition. Guideline 9.21 –
Sign brackets and hardware should be compatible with the building and installed in a workman-like
manner. And I’m here to answer any questions you may have as well as the applicant.
Pergl: OK Robbie I have a question. This that was included in our packet is part of the Master Sign
Agreement.
Wyler: Yes, and I brought . . .I know that one of the members asked that I bring what was taken to
HARC with the Master Application. This is what was approved for the monument sign and there is
Merrill Lynch at the top. But for the building this is one sheet. This is kind of above their windows.
This is what was approved in addition to that monument sign . It is a certain size, a certain color, a
certain font. And that was just one of the conditions that was part of that Master Sign Plan. So, in
this case if the applicant wants to sway or do something other than that the applicant will have to
come back before you guys which is what the applicant is doing today because of the different type
of signage. So they are asking to not use this type of signage because of corporate regulations and
to put what they have in front of you, what the application states. And outside of those, is their,
they were, they were not given any other signage on the building.
Short: And Robbie, let me ask this as well. The Merrill Lynch sign would be actually above the window on
the brick. Would they also be allowed to use the green frieze in the window below it?
Robbie: They are not asking for that and they do not intend to do that but I mean you could just make it
a condition.
Someone from the audience is speaking outside of the microphone area. No audio was available.
Short: OK.
Berryman (?): talking, still not at microphone.
Short: If you are going to address us, please come to the microphone.
Berryman: . . . just a few items that might clear things up .
Short: State your name.
Berryman: Robert Berryman. I manage the Merrill Lynch office here in Georgetown. Been here, as of
this month, we’ve been in Georgetown for 16 years. Um. And I’ve thought it might be helpful to
cover a couple of things. One of these items on the lease, we had to ask for both signage and I
guess that the folks working on the lease thought that that had been approved, the signage on the
window. And as I pointed out earlier, the restrictions not only by corporate logo but also because the
logo has to be approved through the industry. The securities industry actually has to approve what
Merrill Lynch can put on signage. The bull, Merrill Lynch bull has to be a certain size and the lettering
following the bull has to be a certain size. And the spacing above and below the signage has to be a
certain size and that would really relegate us to inch lettering of less than three inches high on that
green frieze panel. And that’s why we had no intention of doing that after looking at it. And we had
thought we would be able to then put the signage on the brick. And as we found out obviously that
is going to require an amendment because he had only applied for the green frieze to be signage.
The illumination that was talked about , in the industry is low lumens, LED illuminations. It has about
a hundred thousand hour life expectancy. It will probably not burn out in our lifetime, if that’s a
consideration. The other thing, if one light fails in the system, they all fail. So it’s not like we will end
up with a bad signage problem.
Short: Robert, is the monument sign also being lit in a similar manner?
Berryman: I’m not sure, it’s bright blue. The building owner would have to speak to that . We don’t have
any lighting on that monument sign.
Short: Does anyone else have any more questions for the applicant?
Rapp: I do. Mr. Berryman, in the picture in the rendering we have which is this one here that has the
writing in it that shows what was originally approved. Does that not meet corporate standards? It
doesn’t have the bull but it has Merrill Lynch, looks like the font and the lettering. Does that not
meet your corporate standards?
Berryman: No it would have to have the bull, it couldn’t just say Merrill Lynch. And as I said, the lettering
would be so small it wouldn’t be legible unless you were standing on that corner. The lettering would
be less than three inches high.
Rapp: But if you had. If this green space was that restrictive and you knew that going in, because it
says that as of October of 2008 when the Master Sign Plan was approved that all the conditions were
spelled out for each tenant. Is that not correct?
Berryman: In the original lease that we had, we had requested both and I was not in on the negotiations
for the signage. And to be honest with you that was during a period when Merrill Lynch as being
acquired by Bank of America. So I don’t know if the confusion came about because of that. We were
under the impression, locally anyway, that we had that signage in our lease and did not realize we
hadn’t until later. And that’s when we approached the building owner. And in our lease agreement
it’s exhibit K, I think you may have that, as to the signage. It talks to our corporate id.
Short: I don’t believe we do.
Rapp: I don’t believe we have.
Berryman: You don’t have that?
Rapp: No, we’re not the same HARC commission so we don’t have all of that here.
Shuffling and rustling.
Moore: Question that kinda goes along with this, in the letter that we got that has your Merrill Lynch at
the bottom. I assume it came from you. It’s a signage request for the HARC Commission.
Berryman: Right.
Moore: In the fourth paragraph, there’s a sentence in there about two-thirds down that says lettering
that small would likely require a variance from our regulating authorities.
Berryman: That’s what we were told by our signage company .
Moore: I understand. What that refers to is that the lettering is very small and I infer from that that
there are variances to these regulations that you are referring to.
Berryman: It would be pretty impossible to get the New York Stock Exchange to give us a variance.
Moore: They are available?
Berryman: They are the governing body on this. And I mention that because that’s how difficult the
variance would be. You would have to go that far off.
Moore: I understand that that is difficult. But maybe it is difficult to get it through the city historic and
architectural review commission. But there are, all I’m trying to establish is, there are ways you can
get variances.
Berryman: I don’t think it would be effective signage and it would not be worth our trouble to do. Also,
on the raceway that you have that matches the brick. The spacing between the lettering would only
be a quarter of an inch so whatever’s going to show is going to be minimal. We will match it as
closely to the brick as possible, but it’s probably not going to be noticeable anyway.
Short: Robert, which actual suite in this building is Merrill Lynch going to occupy? Is it where the sign is
proposed?
Berryman: We are on the first floor on that side of the building where the signage is proposed. We are
basically that lower half of the building. So, there are a few hundred feet on the back of that side of
the building that do not belong to us right now. This would be our side of the building and we would
occupy, all the way back to . . . .or at least most of the way back . . . there are a few hundred feet in
the back that we don’t occupy.
Short: And I have not seen your lease with Tamiro, but is it Tamiro that has the right to place signage
or is it the tenant? For example, you put this Merrill Lynch sign up and Tamiro gets some other
tenants in there and they would like to put signage in the green friezes in the space that you are firm
occupies, would you have, is that something that Merrill Lynch gets to control or is that Tamiro that
gets to make that decision?
Berryman: Well, it is my understanding that we would control that. But I brought somebody from the
building ownership to speak to some issues like that. And do you know how that works? (He
addresses someone behind him )
Wyler: In this case it would be Tamiro coming forth because they are the ones that brought and got that
approved a master sign plan, so if anyone would be to amend this it would be Tamiro’s decision. So
if somebody else wanted to come in and put signage there, they would have to get Tamiro’s okay.
They are the owners of the property . In this case, Merrill Lynch is coming forward with the
application, but that is because Tamiro is allowing them to do so. So it’d Tamiro’s decision whether
or not a sign could go there and it would be an amendment to the master sign plan as well.
Short: So from a process stand point, and let’s just take the hypothetical, that other tenants come into
the building and the building owner would like to put the signs of those tenants on the windows of
the space that is actually, physically being occupied by Merrill Lynch. Is that something that can be
done without coming to HARC or is that something that has to come to us?
Wyler: What you would do in that case is just make that a condition of the approval that no other
signage can go right there. Because technically signage can go in there unless you state it can’t
because it’s part of the master sign plan . This is in addition to the master sign plan . You could just
make a condition to prevent something like that from happening.
Short: OK. And Robbie, a question for you. In the summary, staff had sorta a cryptic recommendation.
Wyler: Yes.
Short: Normally it’s either recommend approval or denial, and this one was to recommend “consider”. I
don’t recall seeing that before so can you, from a staff’s standpoint, state what you were thinking as
staff.
Wyler: The reason that it’s like that is because you make your decision based on the guidelines . The
guidelines, no guidelines really go against this sign. And there is one guideline that made us
uncomfortable and that was the whole “is it appropriate for this building?” Is it appropriate that the
building has a master sign plan for a reason? I tried to describe that. And it’s up to you guys to
decide whether it is appropriate to amend this set master sign plan that if there no master sign plan
and they were just coming forward would otherwise be appropriate for the building. It’s just now
they have something that says what they can and cannot do where in any other case it would just be
like another sign coming forward. That’s why we didn’t give a yes or a no . We just kinda gave our
opinion as to there are no guidelines going against it but it’s a matter of whether you want to against
the master sign plan or not.
Short: Okay.
Johnson, J.C: Well it seems to me. If all it were ever going to be was Merrill Lynch’s sign on the outside
of the building, I think it’s not an unattractive sign. And I would think yea, that would be okay. But
you have a master plan for signage for the building. And if Silver and Stone decided that they
wanted to come and have a sign on the exterior of the building as they have already done and they
are wanting to put an extra sign. And you have a whole flock of tenants in there. Each one of whom
could perhaps conjure up some corporate requirement for signage on the exterior of the building.
And the next thing you know, what’s the point of having a master sign plan for the building? You
would have it dotted with not Merrill Lynch, but Merrill Lynch and assorted other signs all over the
outside of the building. Which doesn’t sound like to me a good prospect.
Short: Robbie, that brings up an important question. Is the plan here to amend the master sign plan to
allow this type of sign or is it to allow this sign as an exception to the master sign plan?
Wyler: It is this specific sign. If anything else was to come in it would have to go through the same
process.
Short: Okay.
Moseley: I want clarification, are we talking about one sign or two signs?
Wyler: It’s two signs.
Moseley: One on each corner.
Wyler: Yes. Both are the same size, design everything..
Moseley: Both on the same corner?
Wyler: Yes.
Rapp: But there nothing stopping any other tenants from coming back and asking for the exact same
thing. Right?
Wyler: Actually not. You are allowed to ask for an amendment to a master sign plan.
Moore: There is however a limit to how much signage can go on each face of that building total .
Wyler: A maximum signage follows the one per one rule. One square foot of signage per one lineal foot
of building.
Moore: So now it’s whoever comes first. Once we reach that limit it would be no more.
Wyler: Then it would be part of the rule that says this guideline is going against it . Right now that
guideline is not going against it.
Moore: Okay.
Rapp: Okay, then I have another question then. So, will this signage proposed on the one with the
exterior corporate id, up here where it shows the clearest view of that. It’s above the first floor, but
is actually on the second floor, so isn’t the tenant on the second floor, I mean it sorta looks like, that,
that, the office is on the second floor not the first floor.
Wyler: That was just . . .. they didn’t want to cover the design features of the building and they wanted
to put it on the brick and most signage is above a window rather than below the window. And when
you advertise, they felt this was the most appropriate place for a signage like this.
Rapp: Okay.
Voices in the background.
Wyler: Yeah. Go ahead.
Johnson, Troy: I’m Troy Johnson, and I work at Merrill Lynch and I’ve been working with the corporate
in New York on the signage, the contact. One of the designs on the plan, if you see in that brick, is a
square facade. It was actually designed in for a sign to go right there. So, Signs for Success out of
New York that works with us has already looked there. They are the ones that tested . It’s actually
designed to go right in there at the facade where a physical sign would go on the building, the way it
would be designed.
Pergl: This, this, this picture here where we can actually see that brick detail. It does not match this at
all. And the one we see up on the projector.
Berryman: It would be the side of the delineated brick area.
Pergl: So, this one that we are seeing here where Merrill Lynch is superimposed on the brick detail is
much larger than the actual . . . .
Berryman: It’s probably going to fit inside of that designated brick rectangle.
Pergl: So the bull would actually fit inside that brick outline or just the lettering itself?
Johnson: It’s exactly the, it’s exactly, on, as you would see it on our presentation with the dimensions,
what, the way it work again as Robert had stated earlier, our limitations with our trademark and our
logo is the bull would be from the top of that window down and then the Merrill Lynch would be right
across there, so it would be half of that, that brick. The way that brick is designed is the way Sign for
Success, our representative, said they would put the facets in there. That’s how it would hold it.
Pergl: So it looks like you are obscuring the major portion of that brick detail.
Johnson: It will be built right under the brick detail, brick detail right underneath the window there. It
wouldn’t obscure the second floor.
Pergl: Would that brick framework, you are mounting to the face of that? It looks like . . .
Johnson: (talking at same time as Pergl so jumbled ) . . . Well part of the top of the brick ring, the top
part of the brick ring you’d be able to see because of the lettering, because of the limitations, so you
would see as part of that on the bottom, but this is going to be flush. The way we tried to design
them, the way they tried to design the sign as he said, it’s a small sign that would be right in there.
The lettering is less than on the caps , about one foot, 12 inches top is the height of the lettering on
each side. And that’s why they gave us the signage and asked us to do the signage on each side.
Technically for our corporation it’s a small sign . And again, not every, not all of our offices are main
street offices that we design and try to have signage like this.
Moseley(?): So let me ask the question if I could in terms of dimension. The thirty inches, fifteen and
sixteen, so it’s got thirty one inches nominal, that fits inside that brick inset on the building? Or not?
Wyler: And that might be a question for you guys. What I think . .. (shuffling) is what you guys are
talking about and are asking if it will fit in that actual. . . . .
Moseley: I ask the question because I think that’s what you are telling us. Or are trying to tell us that it
will fit inside that brick detail, that inset detail. (Wyler and Johnson are talking at the same time in
the background.)
Johnson: . . . the dimensions we gave you is the exact dimensions of the signs that would fit on the
building.
Moseley: No, I’m talking about the dimensions of the brick detail, the brick detail on the building. Do you
know if the sign would fit exactly inside that brick detail?
Johnson: It would be exactly as you see in this picture, so I don’t understand the question.
Moseley: Well
Berryman: Okay, would it fit inside or how much overlaps the rectangle. Yeah.
Johnson: The brackets if you take a look at the brackets , if you look at the brackets in this part of the
photo. These brackets here that attach the sign would fit inside that rectangle . So that the sign itself
would be flush with the rectangle. It wouldn’t fit inside the rectangle but would be flush with it. Is
that, do you understand the answer then?
Moseley: No, No what I think I hear you saying is the bull, the height of the bull, will fall outside that
brick detail, that inset.
Johnson: That’s correct. (All talk at the same time.)
Moseley: It will not fit inside the brick inset. The height of the bull will not fit inside that brick inset .
Johnson: That is correct.
Moseley: Okay.
Rapp: And if I’m looking at this correctly, neither will the words, the bottom portion of Merrill Lynch,
because if it’s flush, and the brackets are inside the detail, then the bottom part of the Merrill Lynch
actually obscures the brick detail all the way across the front. It does have or allow the brick detail at
the top to show.
Johnson: That is correct.
Rapp: Is that correct?
Johnson: Yes, ma’am. The bottom of the y, if you take a look again at this sign, you have the brick
detail, then you have the solid white brick they come to that bottom. With the logo. Again, the way
our design is, it would come to that and come across. My confusion is I was telling you the building
is where we would put in the brackets to hold it so the sign would be flush against the building and
wouldn’t be stuck out.
Rapp: Okay, I have a separate question. (Others were talking behind the microphone.) When I look at
the . . . . I saw a rendering on the monument. I can’t find that picture. But you had the Merrill
Lynch and the bull logo and that of course was smaller but of course appropriate for the monument
sign is that correct Robert? That logos on that monument sign?
Berryman: Yes.
Rapp: Okay. Why, I understand why it can’t fit inside the green, but where that green frieze is. If we
were to give you a, an approval to go outside of that green that is over in that general space, on the
first floor in your area, that would overlap the green onto that brick that would make it larger so that
you have room on your first floor. Would that not be a compromise ?
Berryman: It would not overlap the brick, it would overlap a window.
Johnson: We have windows there that we use.
Rapp: Yes, it’s not the big window, not the big window down below; it would overlap sort of the transom
looking part of the windows.
Johnson: Yeah, we have the skylighting design in our office that comes through the way our office is
designed on the inside that’s our lobby where this is gonna be over that area in the office.
(mumbling and talking in background)
Short: Robbie, just for the benefit of the members of the public that are here . Each one of us, when we
came in received a not from the absent member, Susan Firth. And since we’ve had a chance to look
at it and no one else has had a chance to look at it, I think it’s appropriate, since chances are we are
going to consider the comments, rather than be silent comments, I think it would be good for you to
read those into the record more or less so at least the members of the public that are hear can hear
what the comments of absent person would be.
Wyler: Do you want me to read it or do you want to read it because I don’t have a copy in my hand right
now? (He was handed a copy.)
Short: If you don’t mind. Once again for the sake of the members of the public that have not had a
chance to see this.
Wyler: Okay. And this is directed towards HARC and is written by commission member Susan Firth who
could not attend tonight. For item number 2 and her comment states: “The Design Guidelines allow
HARC to consider the building front as part of an overall sign (Chapter 9.1). It also states that ‘a
typical strip-commercial development pattern is inappropriate in the Downtown Overlay District’. The
complexities of the Tamiro Plaza with its multiple tenants make wall-mounted signs inappropriate.
Just imagine the appearance of the Plaza if every tenant placed an illuminated sign on the building!
Care and foresight must be taken when developing signage for downtown buildings. Those signage
plans must be reviewed with every tenant to ensure complete understanding of what is allowed and
what is restricted. The approved Master Sign Plan and downtown Sign Guidelines must be respected
by every tenant and building owner to maintain the visual integrity of the historic area.
I would encourage the commission to deny the CDC for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan for
Tamiro Plaza and the CDC for approval of additional exterior signage for the Tamiro Plaza .” That’s
the end of the letter.
Short: Thanks Robbie. Do we have any public comment on this? Is anybody signed up for public
comment Robbie?
Robbie: No, I don’t think so.
Frost: No, the two people that signed up are the applicants that have already spoken.
Short: Okay. Are there any other questions?
Berryman: I would just add that we’ve been at our present location for sixteen years; we’re not a
company that moves around a lot. So, the signage issue is very important to Merrill Lynch. And we
are very important to the community. We have over a thousand clients, and manage over several
hundred million dollars in this community. So, I’ll leave you with that.
Short: Thank you Robert. Alright, I think I have a motion. I will move that. . . well let me say this
before I make the motion. You know I live in the downtown and I have an office in downtown and I
um kind of follow JC in the sense that I don’t find this an unattractive sign. It’s not the same as the
signs we’ve approved for the building, but it’s not an unattractive sign. And I think that if some
discretion was used in how the sign was placed on the building this would not be a bad sign to add to
the building. And so I would move that the Certificate of Design Compliance for these signs be
approved with the condition that no other signage be permitted on the first story windows of the
space that is occupied by Merrill Lynch. And that’s the entire motion.
Pause.
Short: Any second? Pause. Does anyone else have a motion?
Johnson: I move that the application for Certificate of Design Compliance be denied and that the Master
Plan for the building signage be reaffirmed.
Moore: I second that.
Short: And it was seconded. Is there any discussion? Pause. Let’s call for a vote then. All in favor?
And all opposed? Vote was 5 – 1, Short opposed. General discussion among the audience could be
heard.
Short: Thank you for your presentation. The applicants left the council chambers.
4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Clamp’s
Addition Revised, Block A (nw/pt), located at 803 S. College Street. (CDC-2009-028)
Wyler presented the staff report. The owner of the property is asking for CDC approval for the
demolition of a detached guest house and carport. The 837 square foot, two-story structure may not
be original to the 1880’s John Leavell House. A concrete slab and aluminum windows suggest it was
constructed post World War II, but an exact date could not be found.
The owner and agent state the condition of the structure prevents it from being used residentially . A
letter from an engineering company has also been included with the packet that confirms the
condition of the slab. The property owner would like to expand the guest house as part of the overall
renovation project to allow for additional living space. Due to the condition of the structure, this
cannot be accomplished.
Based on its location, the structure is considered by the City to be existing non-conforming and
Unified Development Code (UDC) Section 14.04 limits what can be done to it. These limitations
include restricting the expansion of the structure to no more than 50% of its original size without
special approval of the Zoning Board of Adjustment. The applicant proposes demolishing the existing
structure to allow for an expansion to the main house that will meet all current City regulations.
Staff suggests the Commission refer to the Special Considerations section of this report when making
their decision. While the structure complements the historic main house, the applicant would benefit
more from the proposed expansion. If the structure is not historic, there is not substantial cause for
preservation considering the intentions of the applicant. If the structure is historic, it would be
contrary to Guideline 7.13 and approval may not be appropriate. The Commission should also take
into consideration the proposed expansion. Although the expansion itself does not require HARC
approval, it may be considered in determining if demolition of the subject structure is needed.
Short opened the floor for Commissioner questions. He asked whether the building being proposed
for demolition was serviceable. Wyler reported that the condition of the building is not dire, but it is
not usable in its present condition. Curtis Janis, the agent for the property, stated they originally
wanted to repair the building, but the engineer’s report says the building and slab are not structurally
sound.
Commissioners discussed the proposed size of the addition. Rapp questioned the scale of the
addition in regards to the surrounding properties. Wyler stated the commission will not see the
building permit application, but has the option placing restrictions on the replacement. Moseley stated
he thinks the existing building is disproportionate and the new drawings are projecting a much better
scaled building. There was further discussion of the history of the accessory structure . It was
determined that the structure was built after 1984 so is not considered historic.
Motion by Moore to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for demolition as
proposed. Second by Moseley. Short requested Wyler read Commissioner Firth’s comments. Wyler
read the comment . Moseley said he appreciated her comments but he did not agree with her
recommendation to deny the demolotion and his second still stood. Moore concurred. Vote was
called. Approved 6 – 0.
5.Certificate of Design Compliance for faæade modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block
39, Lots 2 & 3 (pts), to be known as Green Earth Energy Systems, Inc., located at 109 E. 7th Street.
(CDC-2009-029)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant asks HARC to approve the CDC for modifications to
the building’s facade, windows and doors in addition to new signage. He proceeded to itemize all the
details on the application and that were included in the packet. Staff recommends approval of this
application based on compliance with Guidelines 4.2, 4.3, 4.7, 5.7, 5.9, 6.2, 6.10, 6.12, 6.13, 6.14,
6.20, 6.21, 9.5, 9.6, 9.8, 9.13, 9.14, 9.17, 9.18 and 9.21.
Commissioners complimented the package of materials and the project itself stating it would be very
good for that side of the square. Tom Norrell, applicant, stated he would like to install a sign bracket
that matches the one used on the adjacent building, not using the existing bracket. There were no
other questions by the commissioners.
Motion by Rapp to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for the package of faæade
changes and signage as presented with the proposed pink granite sidewalk being brought back for
staff approval and changing the bracket of the hanging sign to match the bracket of the building next
door. Second by Pergl. Approved 6-0.
6.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format.
Wyler presented the proposed draft agenda that was suggested at a previous meeting. The change
includes language to limit applicants addressing the commission a ten minute time limit, unless
otherwise agreed to before the meeting begins.
Johnson questioned the language and process to be used. He disagreed with the language that
states “unless otherwise agreed to before the meeting begins” and asked that the language just be
removed. Others agreed.
Motion by Moore to approve the agenda type with the proposed changes. Second by
Johnson. Approved 6 – 0.
7.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on September 24, 2009.
8.Adjournment
Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 7:17 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, August 13, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, August 13,
2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 9, 2009, Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), to be known as Amante’s Restaurant
& Bar, located at 701 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-027)
3.Adjournment
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for August
27, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, August 13, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
August 13, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community Development;
Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair Will Moore at 4:04 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 9, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), to be known as Amante’s Restaurant & Bar, located at 701
S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-027)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new hanging sign under the
awning, window lettering and a replacement blade sign. The white vinyl lettering will be placed on
the windows and the main entrance door. Complete descriptions are given in the written staff report.
The hanging sign will be an aluminum sign suspended in a black metal frame and hung perpendicular
to the front door, under the awning and ensuring that it is a minimum height of eight feet. The
applicant is replacing the existing blade sign with a black blade sign, cut out letters that will be
illuminated from within and appear white. The sign will vertically read Amante’s and Restaurant and
Bar along the bottom of the sign. Staff recommends approval based on Guidelines 9.6, 9.7, 9.8, 9.13,
and 9.14.
The applicant/ owner of the building, Judith Manriquez was available for questions and comments,
along with Kim J____ owner of Amante’s. Commissioners asked clarifying questions. Pergl was
concerned about the location of the blade sign encroaching into the space above the adjacent
building. It was explained that the blade actually extends over the sidewalk area and the city has
given approval to do that. Rapp was concerned that it would be difficult to hang the sign under the
awning above the door and keep it eight feet above the sidewalk. Manriquez assured her it would
be.
Motion by Rapp to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for signage as presented with no
changes or conditions. Second by Pergl. Approved 3- 0.
3.Adjournment
Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:20 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 23, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, July 23, 2009 at 06:00 PM in
the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final
action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the
following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009 regular meeting.
Regular Agenda:
2.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade modifications at City of Georgetown, Block 51,
lot 5 (pt), also known as the Firehouse Bays, located at 816 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-023)
3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the relocation of a structure at City of Georgetown,
Block 14, Lots 6, 7 (s/pt), located at 305 S. Rock Street. (CDC-2009-025)
4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a structure at City of Georgetown,
Block 14, Lots 7 (n/pt) and 8 (w/pt), located at 214 W. 3
rd
Street. (CDC-2009-026)
5.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format.
6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on August 27, 2009.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 23, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
July 23, 2009.
Members Present:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community
Development; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009 regular meeting.
Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as written. Second by Pergl. Approved 7 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
2.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade modifications at City of Georgetown, Block 51, lot 5 (pt),
also known as the Firehouse Bays, located at 816 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-023)
Firth recused herself from the dais based on a Conflict of Interest and filed the Affidavit with the
recording secretary.
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a CDC for the renovation to
the exterior of the old fire station bays. The bays, constructed in the 1960’s, are not original to the
two-story historic main building, and are currently being used for storage. To better utilize the
building and to promote retail along Main Street, the City would like to update both the interior and
the exterior to better accommodate a retail-oriented business.
The applicant proposes updating the architectural character to better serve and market the building .
The brick will be removed and replaced with eight -inch thick coursed Texas Limestone facade. This
type of limestone can be seen on other downtown buildings. New wood windows, transoms, and
doors will replace three existing bay doors. The fourth door will be converted to wooden
carriage-style doors to allow for deliveries. Staff recommends approval of this application based on
its compliance with Guidelines 4.1, 5.1, 5.5, 6.3, 6.12, 8.13, 8.14, and 10.2.
Bryant Boyd, the project Architect was available for questions from the Commissioners. He explained
the rock limestone would be a veneer and not structural. He showed samples to the commissioners
of the limestone facade, the mahogany wood doors and the aluminum awnings. He stated the stone
would be all one color, not variegated as one of the pictures shown. The awnings will extend
approximately eight feet over the sidewalk. He confirmed any sidewalk renovations or additions
would come back before HARC for review.
Commissioner Johnson questioned whether the doors would be recessed. Boyd says they are already
recessed about one and a half feet and he felt anymore recession would be cutting into the interior
space. He also explained the pivoting windows in the front that would allow a use like those seen on
6th Street in Austin. Moore questioned the use of real mahogany doors and perhaps using a less
expensive and less rare wood. Boyd said the mahogany was requested. Johnson questioned the
location of the downspouts and the dumping of rainwater onto the sidewalks and street. Wyler
explained this would be reviewed more closely at the Site Plan Review. Rapp questioned the
luminosity of the galvanized metal material that is to be used on the awnings and whether they would
be too shiny. Boyd said they would be the same as used on the Makemson Steele Building and that
those had dulled quickly and were not a problem.
Motion by Moseley to approve the Certificate of Design as presented. Second by Moore. Approved 6
– 0. (Firth recused.)
Firth was brought back on the dais.
3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the relocation of a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 14,
Lots 6, 7 (s/pt), located at 305 S. Rock Street. (CDC-2009-025)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval to relocate a house . Built in the
1970’s, the house is not an historic structure in the 1984 Historic Resources Survey and is in good
enough condition to be relocated. According to the applicant, poor exterior conditions and the
location of the property are not ideal for a residential property. The non-historic house will be
relocated to a property in Leon County. At this time there are no plans for the vacant property.
The applicant, Matt Clark, was available for questions or comments. He stated he would like to move
the house to Leon County and turn it into a hunting lodge. He also stated his intent in buying it was
to keep the other bail bondsmen around the courthouse annex and county jail from purchasing the
property for another bond company. He suggested he might build an office building in the future.
Motion by Pergl to approve the application as presented. Second by Moseley. Approved 7 – 0.
4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 14,
Lots 7 (n/pt) and 8 (w/pt), located at 214 W. 3rd Street. (CDC-2009-026)
Wyler presented the staff report. This applicant is the same as item number 3 above. The applicant
seeks approval to demolish a house. According to the 1984 Historic Resources Survey, the house is
listed as a Low-Priority historic structure. The applicant states that is in poor condition , making it
difficult to relocate or reuse, and demolition of the structure is best for the property. There are no
proposed plans for the property. Staff recommends demolition of the structure based on Guideline
7.13.
Moore questioned the zoning district. Wyler stated it is MU-DT which means any new development
would have to apply for a CDC through HARC. Matt Clark was questioned about the outbuildings. He
stated they are falling down. It is estimated the main structure was built around 1935. The
Commissioners discussed the condition of the house. Mr. Clark stated he had not been inside the
home but he thought the outside was bad enough.
Motion by Johnson to denied the application for demolition because the house was an historic
structure and he felt a better attempt should be made to save it. Second by Rapp.
More discussion was held by the Commissioners in how to best preserve the house. Short suggested
deferring the item until more information could be gathered.
The original motion was called and passed 4 – 3. Short, Firth and Moseley opposed.
5.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format.
This item was opened by Cook . She explained Chair Short requested an item to discuss the length of
time that a person could make a presentation to the Commission. In the past, some presentations
have been several minutes long. Cook proposed changing the agendas to indicate the same amount
of presentation time that is allowed at other Commissions, i.e. Planning and Zoning Commission and
City Council.
Motion by Johnson to table this item until the new proposed agenda was given and then the
commission could review that format. Second by Short. Approved 7 – 0.
6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on August 27, 2009.
7.Adjournment
Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:43 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 9, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, July 9,
2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
1.Nomination and appointment of a new Sign Subcommittee Chair
2.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009, Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at Lost Addition, Block 63 (pt), to be known as The Merlot House office building,
located at 1006 S. Rock Street. (CDC-2009-020)
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Pink and Chic
Organic Day Spa, located at 308 W. 8
th
Street, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-021)
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Island Music, located
at 308 W. 8
th
Street, Suite 101. (CDC-2009-022)
6.Discussion and possible action to change the day and time of the Sign Subcommittee
meetings.
7.Adjournment
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for July 23,
2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 9, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
July 9, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community Development;
Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair Will Moore at 4:10 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Nomination and appointment of a new Sign Subcommittee Chair.
Pergle nominates Moore as chair of the subcommittee. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Moore asked for any action regarding the minutes. Motion by Pergl to accept the minutes as
written. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
Lost Addition, Block 63 (pt), to be known as The Merlot House office building, located at 1006 S. Rock
Street. (CDC-2009-020)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant seeks approval of a freestanding sign in front of his
office building. The sign is within the size restrictions of the UDC . Staff recommends approval of the
new sign as supported by Guidelines 9.3, 9.13, 9.17, and 9.18.
The Commissioners discussed the proposal . Rapp stated she visited the site and measured where the
proposed sign would be located based on the existing pole location. The sign as proposed would
obscure the view of the house next door. She feels the sign is too tall. Pergl suggested lowering the
sign height to four feet tall. The commissioners discussed what their options were in regards to this
application. They did not want to completely deny the sign and force the applicant to come back
before the commission.
Motion by Pergl to approve the sign as submitted with the stipulation that the height of
the sign be decreased from 6 feet to 4 feet above ground level. Second by Rapp. Approved
3 – 0.
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Pink and Chic Organic Day Spa, located at
308 W. 8th Street, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-021)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a new hanging sign to be
attached to an existing metal awning on the front of the building. The proposed sign is to be white ,
silver and pink and to be hung underneath the existing green awning. Staff recommends
commissioners consider and discuss other options for the sign location and colors, because the
proposed location would not be allowed for lack of an 8 foot minimum clearance. Wyler distributed a
drawing of his suggestion of proposed location.
The applicant, Mayra Reyes, and tenant of the new Pink and Chic Organic Day Spa attended the
meeting and represented not only this application but the following application as well, which is to be
installed adjacent to this sign. She said she was amenable to the new proposed location of the
sign(s). Rapp proposed putting the signs on the awning, straddling the edge, like the neighboring
Red Poppy Cafe sign. Perl suggested if the sign(s) were placed on the building front, lighting could
be applied at a later date. There was concern from the commissioners that the signs were actually
too small for the front of the building and would be dwarfed. Options were discussed. Colors were
discussed and color examples were brought out to show the applicant examples.
Motion by Rapp that the applicant would have two options: either the sign(s) could be 5
feet by 2 feet by 1 inch with the condition that these signs straddle the awning and meet
the eight foot clearance above the sidewalk; OR the signs can be 8 feet by 3 feet and
installed on the front facade of the building, equidistant and proportionate to the
building. This motion was also contingent that both signs would be treated the same.
And the Pink and Chic sign colors would be presented to staff before approval so that the
pink could be toned to match the ruby color on the building and the silver crown color
could be outlined in black to make it more prominent. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Island Music, located at 308 W. 8th Street,
Suite 101. (CDC-2009-022)
Wyler described this application as a duplicate of the sign above. Ms. Reyes stated she was
representing the tenant for this application. There was some discussion regarding the color because
two different yellow colors were presented. Wyler stated this was due to color printer differences.
Motion by Rapp to repeat the conditions of the approval as stated above and to make the
applicant to bring in the color of yellow to be used on the Island Music sign so that the
yellow would more closely match the color of the building and staff could approve the
exact color to be used. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
6.Discussion and possible action to change the day and time of the Sign Subcommittee meetings.
After discussion of possibilities the time and date of these meetings remains the same – the second
Thursday of the month at 4:00 p.m.
7.Adjournment
Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 5:06 p.m.
The Subcommittee will not forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural
Review Committee for its consideration as the votes were unanimous. That meeting is scheduled for July
23, 2009.
Approved, Will Moore, ChairAttest, Ron Pergl, Commissioner
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 25, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, June 25,
2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing
and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based
upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled
meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine,
located at 114 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-016)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate,
located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019)
Adjournment4.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for June 25,
2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 25, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , June 25, 2009.
Members Present:
JC Johnson; Will Moore; Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Motion by Moore, second by Pergl to approve the minutes. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine, located at 114 E. 7th Street.
(CDC-2009-016)
Wyler presented the staff report of the application. The applicant is seeking approval of new window
signage and lighting for an existing flush-mounted wall sign. The applicant would also like to install
two black LED mini-flood lights to illuminate an existing flush-mounted wall sign. They will be
installed above the canopy and angled towards the sign, preventing visibility of the bulbs from the
sidewalk. Guidelines recited that support staff recommendation are Guidelines 9.6 and 9.19.
Motion by Moore to approve the large letter “D” portion of the sign and the two new lights
as proposed. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate, located at 800 S.
Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019)
Wyler presented the staff report of the application. The applicant is seeking approval of new window
signage and a hanging sign, both of which have already been installed. The vinyl lettering on the
window and the hanging sign have matching corporate colors and fonts. The hanging sign was
placed on the existing brackets and sign board of a previous tenant . Guidelines recited that support
staff recommendation are Guidelines 9.6, 9.7 and 9.18.
Motion by Pergl to approve the signs as proposed and installed. Second by Moore.
Approved 3 – 0.
4.Adjournment
Acting Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:38 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 25, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 06:00 PM in
the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final
action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council
adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act
on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any
item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it
individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's
approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation
described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine,
located at 114 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-016)
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate,
located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019)
Regular Agenda :
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
facade and site changes at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the
Monument Cafe Site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-017)
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
the demolition of an accessory structure at Glasscock Addition, Block 22, Lots 3 & 4, located
at 1006 S. Church Street. (CDC-2009-018)
6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J. C. Johnson on the Sign
Subcommittee.
7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants.
8.Discussion and update on the revisions to the Design Guidelines.
9.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on July 23, 2009.
10.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 25, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
June 25, 2009.
Members Present:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community Development;
and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine,
located at 114 E. 7
th
Street. (CDC-2009-016)
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate,
located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019)
Firth requested the minutes be pulled from the consent agenda to make minor changes.
Those changes were noted and Firth made the motion to approve the minutes with the
designated changes. Second by Short. Approved 7 – 0. The other items were not
forwarded from the Sign Subcommittee and therefore no action was taken .
Regular Agenda:
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
facade and site changes at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the
Monument Cafe Site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-017)
Wyler introduced the application for the Monument Cafe site. The applicant seeks a CDC to
make changes to the 2004 and 2007 approved CDCs for four buildings and the site layout
for the entire block. The applicant, Rusty Winkstern, was available and presented the
proposed changes. He is requesting a change to the site plan by eliminating the Rock Street
office building and converting that building site to parking for a larger market building.
Additionally, he wants to reduce the size of the three story office/ retail building at the
northwest corner of 6
th
Street and Austin Avenue to two stories. He is changing his focus to
the development of a larger grocery/ meat market and reducing the amount of office lease
space on the property. He is planning on the second story of the office building having a
meeting room and access to a “green roof”. He will shift the two entrances of the building
and market to fit the new plan. He may ask for a loading dock at a later date. He also
stated instead of the original approved exterior, he is proposing an exterior of concrete
stucco matching the existing cafe, Tejano brick, limestone accents and the same aluminum
windows. He stated the submitted drawings the commission received were not accurate.
Commissioners asked clarifying questions and discussed that they would need more
specific details to approve this plan. Cook explained that the applicant is concerned about
the timing of the approvals. The applicant is asking for HARC’s approval of the revised
concept to take to GTEC to revise the existing city agreements in effect that are expiring
soon. Winkstern stated he could bring details back to HARC for approval of materials and
colors at a later date.
Motion by Johnson to approve the concept plan with the number and height of buildings
and use of buildings all as proposed and with parking as described by the applicant and
ask the applicant to come back with materials and drawings of more details. The motion
died for lack of second.
Motion by Moore to approve the changes the applicant is requesting with the exception of
the materials. Second by Johnson. Commissioners discuss the lack of details and what they
would like to see before accepting this motion. Moore withdraws his motion.
Motion by Rapp to approve a revised concept of the project to allow the applicant to
reduce the height of the larger office /retail building to two stories with a bridge to the
market building, increase the size of the market, eliminate the smaller office building
and provide more on-site parking, provided the applicant returns to HARC with accurate
elevations, engineered site plan and material samples and colors for further discussion
and possible approval. Second by Johnson. Approved 7 – 0.
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
the demolition of an accessory structure at Glasscock Addition, Block 22, Lots 3 & 4, located
at 1006 S. Church Street. (CDC-2009-018)
Wyler presented the application. The owner of the property is asking for CDC approval for
the demolition of an historic garage. According to the agent, the existing twenty by forty
foot garage was built circa 1914 and encroaches approximately 19 feet onto City
right-of-way as shown on the provided conceptual site plan. This places the structure
around 29 feet beyond current setback requirements. The west side of the garage sits only
five feet from the property line. Based on the location, the garage is considered by the City
to be an existing non-conforming structure and per Unified Development Code (UDC)
Section 14.04, is limited on what can be done to it. These limitations include not exceeding
expansion of the structure by more than 50% of its original size. Should an expansion
exceed more than 50% of the structure’s original size, approval from the Zoning Board of
Adjustment is required. The applicant proposes demolishing the existing garage to allow
for the construction of a new garage and driveway that will meet all current City
regulations. Staff recommends denial of the approval of demolition based on Guideline 7.13
that states that a structure should never be demolished as a matter of convenience and
Wyler feels that the applicant has other options.
Ellen Davis, resident of 405 E. 10
th
Street, provided a letter of support for the applicant to
demolish the garage.
Paul Milnes, of the Tennyson Group and agent for the owner, was present for questions.
Firth questioned whether other options had been considered for the garage and driveway.
Milnes commented that he was not able to build a new garage to the size and location that
his client wanted without tearing down the existing one. He also stated that the existing
structure could not be brought up to city building codes. Johnson commented that no one
was asking him to bring the older structure up to current codes and suggested asking the
city to remove the Keep Right sign that was located where the driveway could potentially
be.
There was discussion of options the applicant has if they keep the structure. Milnes stated
there is significant dry rot on the existing structure and the slab for the structure is actually
located inside the building. Cook stated if the current structure is taken down to less than
50% of its current size, thereby losing its non-conforming status, then it will have to be
brought up to current standards , including losing the footprint of the building located over
the setbacks and into easements. The new structure will have to comply with current
regulations.
Motion by Short to deny the approval of the CDC and the applicant is to consider
alternatives to demolition that come back for possible approval by the commission .
Second by Pergl. Moore stated he was concerned that with the denial, the applicant only
has to wait 175 days and then get the approval for demolition anyway. He also stated he
felt that whatever the applicant puts in will enhance the historic value and property values
of the neighborhood. He supports the approval. Firth empathizes with Mr. Parks but
states her definition of the purpose of the commission is to maintain historic structures not
tear them down. Short summarized that the commission does not want demolition to be
the first choice of property owners, but modifications should be considered . The motion
was restated. The CDC for demolition was denied 5 – 2. (Moore and Mosely opposed.)
6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J. C. Johnson on the Sign
Subcommittee.
Short opened the floor for nominations. Rapp volunteered. Motion by Short to approve
the resignation of J.C. Johnson and appointment of Dee Rapp to the HARC Sign
Subcommittee. Second by Moore. Approved 7 – 0.
7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants.
Short opens the floor for discussion. He suggests limiting the time applicants are allowed
to make a presentation to the commission of non-action items. The example he gave was
the last Concept Plan that came before HARC for comments, no action. Cook explained
that the UDC, Section 2.03.010, lists this type of pre-meeting/concept discussion meeting as
an additional duty of the Commission. The Commission may still limit the presentation
time. Mosely proposed 15 minutes for a presentation. Short suggested 10 minutes. Cook
suggested adding this as part of the procedures described at the beginning of each agenda.
Motion by Johnson to table this item and direct staff to prepare draft language for an
agenda and bring back to the Commission for discussion. Second by Moore. Approved 7
– 0.
8.Discussion and update on the revisions to the Design Guidelines.
Cook reported that staff has been working with a consultant, Nore Winter, to amend the
Guidelines. The first draft was given to staff last week and staff is reviewing. When those
changes have been made by the consultant and the second draft is in, copies will be
distributed to the Commission.
9.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on July 23, 2009.
10.Adjournment
Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 7:31 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with
possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 28, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by
the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown will meet on Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the
Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by the
Governing Body of the City of Georgetown Members:
J.C. Johnson, Jr., Acting Chair; Will Moore; and Ron Pergl
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 14, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at 2.
City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-013)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at 3.
City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite # 1410.
(CDC-2009-014)
Adjournment4.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for May 28, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with
possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 28, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by
the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , May
28, 2009.
Members Present:
JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
Will Moore
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair, J.C. Johnson 5:30 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 14, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Johnson. Approved 2 –
0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7
th
Street.
(CDC-2009-013)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval for a new A-frame sign
on the 7
th
Street sidewalk in front of the business. Guidelines that support the staff
recommendation of approval are 9.11, 9.15 and 9.18.
Commissioners raised several concerns: multiple tenants wanting similar signs, size of the
sign on the sidewalk, and content of sign when chalkboard sign can be changed. Wyler
responded that no other tenants have requested a sign and that this could not be denied
based on what might happen . The sidewalk will still have a three foot clearance with the
sign in place. And the chalkboard portion of the sign is to only include when an agent is on
duty for the entire office. Hopefully that will alleviate the need for several tenants needing
signs.
Motion by Pergl to approve the application for the A-frame sign as proposed. Second by
Johnson. Approved 2 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #
1410. (CDC-2009-014)
Acting Chair Johnson states this item is being moved to the regular agenda of the full
commission since he feels it is a significant application that needs their consideration.
4.Adjournment
Acting Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:37 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by
the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 28, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body
of the City of Georgetown will meet on Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers,
located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the
City of Georgetown Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act
on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any
item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it
individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's
approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation
described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7th Street.
(CDC-2009-013)
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite
# 1410. (CDC-2009-014)
Regular Agenda :
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
the demolition of an accessory structure at Morrow Addition, Block E (NW/PT), located at
1237 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-012)
5.Conceptual review and discussion with Bryant Boyd on the proposed facade renovation to
the Main Street fire station bays, located at 816 S. Main Street.
6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J.C. Johnson on the Sign
Subcommittee.
7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants.
8.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on June 25, 2009.
9.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by
the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 28, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body
of the City of Georgetown of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , May 28, 2009.
Members Present:
Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
West Short, Chair; and Will Moore
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Acting Chair Johnson called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7
th
Street.
(CDC-2009-013)
This item was approved at the Sign Subcommittee.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #
1410. (CDC-2009-014)
Motion by Firth to approve the minutes as written . Second by Rapp. Approved 5 -0.
Item number 3 was brought forth from the Subcommittee and discussed as a regular
agenda item. Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval for a new
projecting sign on the 3
rd
story facade of Tamiro Plaza facing Austin Avenue. The applicant
has an existing approved A-frame sign and a portion of the existing monument sign. For
marketing reasons, the applicant feels a more prominent and permanent sign on the side of
the building is appropriate and will add an interesting feature to the building. The signs is
to be eight feet high by two feet wide by one foot thick. Staff cited recommending approval
based on compliance with guidelines 9.2, 9.8, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18 and 9.20.
Acting Chair Johnson opened the floor to the applicant for additional comment. The owner
and operator of the Silver and Stone Restaurant, James Ramsey stated he feels he needs the
sign to have enough business to stay open. He cited McDonalds and the Monument
Restaurant as local examples of signage that works.
Commissioners began asking questions. What is the proposed angle of the sign from the
building? Wyler responded that it is proposed to be a 90 degree angle. How far will the
sign be offset from the building? Ramsey responded that he is trying to make the sign as
close to the building as possible and it should be about four inches within line of the
existing turret. Rapp questioned the ability of other tenants in the building requesting
similar signage. Wyler responded that the other tenants were on the lower floors and that
they other street level signs so this should not affect them.
Firth questioned why this was not applied for with the original sign plan. Ramsey
responded that he had to raise the capital before getting the sign designed and then made,
therefore the delay. Firth explained she was still concerned about the placement of the sign
and cited Guideline 9.13 that states a sign shouldn’t detract from a building and that this
sign throws an asymmetrical element onto a symmetrical building. She suggested perhaps
placing the sign below the turret which would still be in line with an existing projection
from the building. She also suggested putting the sign horizontally below the third floor
balcony.
Ramsey stated he had considered a lot of different options and that he would be open to the
idea of placing the sign under the turret, but did not think the sign under the balcony
would be effective. Firth also suggested better lobby signage if people were having a hard
time finding his restaurant as he suggested earlier. There was further debate between
having a horizontal sign versus a vertical sign.
Motion by Firth to approve a CDC for the same sign as proposed but hung at a 45 degree
angle under the turret on the southwest corner of the building. Motion died for lack of
second.
Motion by Moseley to approve the sign as proposed but to locate it under the turret at the
southwest corner of the building and located perpendicular to Austin Avenue, at a 90
degree angle to the building. Second by Pergl. Approved 5 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
the demolition of an accessory structure at Morrow Addition, Block E (NW/PT), located at
1237 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-012)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval to demolish an accessory
structure to allow for an addition to the main house. Guidelines that support staff
recommendation of approval are 7.11 and 7.13. Chair Johnson asked Mrs. Neal if she had
any comments, to which she responded, “I sure would like to tear it down.” There was no
further discussion by the commission.
Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC for demolition of the garage structure . Second by
Moseley. Approved 5 – 0.
5.Conceptual review and discussion with Bryant Boyd on the proposed facade renovation to
the Main Street fire station bays, located at 816 S. Main Street.
Firth recused herself from the dais and the room for conflict of interest reasons. An
affidavit form was placed on file. Wyler introduced Jeff Schross, representing Bryant Boyd
Architects, for the discussion of the renovation of the fire station at 817 West Main Street.
Mr. Schross began by explaining the scope of the project was to convert the fire bays to a
wine production and tasting facility. Their proposal is to remove the existing brick and
convert the exterior to limestone. They would also be replacing the garage doors with
wooden double doors, with one set still being the rolling style for shipping and receiving
truck access. They have discussed extending the sidewalk.
Commissioners made comments. Johnson stated he liked the idea of converting the brick
to limestone, more consistent with the downtown buildings. He questioned the appearance
of the length of the building with the other adjacent buildings and suggested recessed
alcove type doors, as soon on other portions of the square, to provide more articulation
along this block.
Moseley suggested adding a wider stone cap on top of the front rock wall that would also
provide a bigger shade line. Rapp suggested perhaps rooftop patio seating to get people off
the street level. Signage was discussed and it was suggested a perpendicular sign at the
southern edge of the building would work well. Johnson suggested seeking public opinion .
There was no more discussion. Mr. Schross thanked the commission for their time and
comments.
Firth was called back to the dais.
6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J.C. Johnson on the Sign
Subcommittee.
This item was tabled until the other two regular members could be present for discussion.
Chair Johnson agreed to continue to serve until a replacement was found.
7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants.
This item was tabled until the next meeting when Chair Short could be present for
discussion.
8.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on June 25, 2009.
9.Adjournment
Acting Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 7:00 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 14, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, May 14,
2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3, also known as Tribal Impressions, located at 108 W. 8th Street.
(CDC-2009-010)
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land, located at 1102 S. Austin
Avenue, Suite 106. (CDC-2009-011)
4.Adjournment
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for May 28, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 14, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , May 14, 2009.
Members Present:
J.C. Johnson, Jr., Acting Chair; Will Moore; Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , J.C. Johnson at 4:02 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Pergl asked for the correction of his name spelling in the minutes. Motion by Moore to approve
the minutes with the correction of Pergl noted. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3, also known as Tribal Impressions, located at 108 W. 8th Street.
(CDC-2009-010)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicants seeks approval of new window lettering , a flush
mounted sign and an A-frame sign. Wyler recommends approval of the signs since they are
consistent with Guidelines 9.2, 9.4, 9.5, 9.11, 9.13, 9.17, and 9.18. Ray Shawley with Affordable
Signs was there as the agent and said he had nothing to add. The Commissioners questioned the
A-frame sign displaying the open hours. Mr. Shawley said that was a typographical error and that the
hours of business would be displayed on the window. The A-frame sign will only be displayed during
business hours.
Motion by Pergl to approve the Certificate of Compliance for the requested signage.
Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land , located at 1102 S. Austin
Avenue, Suite 106. (CDC-2009-011)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new A -frame sign on the Austin
Avenue sidewalk in front of her business. Wyler recommends approval of the sign based on
consistency with guidelines 9.11, 9.15 and 9.18. Marcy Urban, the owner was available for was
available for questions. Johnson questioned the display times of the sign. Ms. Urban assured the
commissioners that the sign would only be on display during business hours and when realtors were
“on duty”. Moore reminded Ms. Urban to anchor the sign somehow because of the strong winds that
come up Austin Avenue.
Motion by Moore to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for the A-frame sign as
proposed. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
4.Adjournment
Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 4:15 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 23, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, April 23,
2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Ron Pergl
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 9, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2009-008)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-008.pdf
Adjournment3.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for April 23,
2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 23, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , April 23, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , J.C. Johnson 5:30 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 9, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 1.
Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2009-008)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant seeks approval to replace one hanging sign and one
projecting sign due to the change in business ownership within the building. The new signs will
remain the same size and material as the existing ones and will remain in the same location. The
only change will be the verbiage and color of each sign.
Pergle questioned the vibrancy of the red on the printed example. The owner, Avis Wukasch was
present and responded that the ink in the printer she used was brighter than the sign would be. She
said the red would be the same color dark red that is used on all Keller Williams’ signs. Johnson
questioned whether the signs would hide the historic gas pumps. Ms. Wukasch stated the pumps
would not be hidden as the signs were proposed to go into the existing frames that did not currently
hide the pumps.
Motion by Pergle to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for signage as presented. Second
by Moore. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Adjournment.Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:36 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 23, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, April 23, 2009 at 06:00 PM in
the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 26, 2009 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2009-008)
Regular Agenda:
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
new awnings at City of Georgetown,
Block 39, Lots 2-3(PTS), located at 109 E. 7
th
Street. (CDC-2009-005)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-005.pdf
4. Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on May 28, 2009.
5. Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 23, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
April 23, 2009.
Members Present:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 26, 2009 regular meeting.
Motion by Moore to approve the minutes with the change noted in Item 4, paragraph 4,
the word “insists” be changed to “suggests”. Second by Rapp. Approved 7 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-008) This
item was approved at the Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Regular Agenda:
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for new
awnings at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 2-3(PTS), located at 109 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-005)
Wyler presented the staff report. In 2008, the applicant came to Staff and asked to replace three
awnings above Zoe’s store front due to wear and tear and possible danger to pedestrians walking
below. Because of the immediate danger to pedestrians, the three awnings were allowed to be
replaced with staff’s temporary approval and the condition that the applicant apply to HARC for
official approval. The applicant is seeking a Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) for three new
awnings. The awnings that were installed are the same size and material , but the color changed
from a burgundy color to a royal blue.
There were not any questions or comments . Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for the new
awnings. Second by Pergl. Approved 7 – 0.
4.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on May 28, 2009.
Chair Short asked that a discussion item be added to the next agenda to consider limiting the time of
discussion of proposed items that do not have an actual application before the commission. That will
be added to the next Regular Commission agenda.
Johnson requested that someone else consider stepping forward to Chair the Sign Subcommittee.
5. Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:09 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 9, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, April 9,
2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 26, 2009, Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lot 7, located at 1905 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2009-006)
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2-3, 1 (PT), located at 109-110 W. 7
th
Street.
(CDC-2009-007)
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1-8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite
#1410. (CDC-2009-009)
5.Adjournment
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for April 23,
2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 9, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , April 9, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , J.C. Johnson 4:00 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Motion by Johnson, second by Moore to approve the minutes. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lot 7, located at 1905 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-006)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a new monument sign for
Covenant Life Church. The sign will have additional business details and a church logo . It will be
constructed out of metal and placed in a limestone frame. The same limestone is used for the
planters. The colors and size of the sign are consistent with the Guidelines 9.3, 9.15 and 9.17. Staff
recommends approval.
Pergl clarified the location of the sign on the drawing. Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for a
new monument sign as proposed by the applicant. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2-3, 1 (PT), located at 109-110 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-007)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval for new vinyl window lettering
showing the services provided by the spa. The Guidelines that support staff recommendation are 9.6
and 9.18.
Motion by Pergl to approve the CDC for new window lettering as proposed by the
applicant. Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0.
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1-8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #1410.
(CDC-2009-009)
Wyler presented the new A-frame sign on the Austin Avenue sidewalk in front of Tamiro Plaza. The
wooden sign will be two sided, measure 42 inches by 24 inches. Wyler stated that although the
subject property is not in Area 1, the sidewalk where the sign is proposed is designed for heavy foot
traffic along Austin Avenue. The A-frame sign is appropriate for the restaurant considering it is
located on the top floor of an office building.
One of the restaurant owners, Cathy Ramsey, was available for comment. Commissioners asked
about the logistics of the signage. She assured them that the sign would be weighted down with two
large sandbags located underneath the sign and not visible, and that the sign would be taken into the
building every night as a procedure of closing.
Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for an A-frame sign as proposed by the applicant with
the condition that the sandbags remain hidden inside the sign’s frame. Second by Pergl.
Approved 3 – 0.
5.Adjournment
Meeting adjourned by Chair Johnson at 4:36 p.m.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for April 23, 2009.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 26, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 06:00 PM in
the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300-1 Industrial Ave, Georgetown, Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act
on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any
item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it
individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's
approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation
described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009, regular meeting
and March 5, 2009, special meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-003)
Regular Agenda :
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
exterior modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51 (W/PT), located at 116
W. 8th Street. (CDC-2009-004)
4.Conceptual review and discussion with the developer of the proposed Contessa infill project,
located at the southwest corner of 8th and Rock Street.
5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on April 23, 2009.
Workshop Agenda:
6.Training and discussion on using Design Guidelines for project review - Karen McGraw,
Karen McGraw Architect.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 26, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
March 26, 2009.
Members Present:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and
Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act
on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any
item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it
individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's
approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation
described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009, regular meeting and
March 5, 2009, special meeting.
Motion by Moore to approve the minutes with the change noted that Will Moore
was elected as Chair of the Commission and that JC Johnson was serving
temporarily as chair of the Sign Subcommittee. Second by Johnson. Approved 7 –
0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-003)
This item was not forwarded by the Sign Subcommittee .
Regular Agenda:
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
exterior modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51 (W/PT), located at 116
W. 8th Street. (CDC-2009-004)
Wyler presented the staff report of the application. The applicant is seeking CDC approval to
repaint the exterior trim of the historic building and install new window lettering and a new
projecting business sign. Staff recommends approval of the CDC citing compliance with
Guidelines 5.1, 5.9, 9.2, 9.6, 9.8, 9.13, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18, and 9.21.
The applicant was present and the Commission asked questions for clarification . Moseley
pointed out the inconsistency in the report and confirmed that the sign would not be metal.
Short questioned the height of the hanging sign stating it must be at least eight feet from
the sidewalk. Short also questioned the discoloration of the building and whether that was
an indication of a problem with the structure. The owner stated that was actually part of the
patina of the rockwork and she thought it was beautiful and that the building is in very good
condition.
Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for the repainting of the trim and first story
facade, replacement window lettering, removal of an existing awning and
installation of a new projecting sign facade, as proposed by the applicant. Second
by Rapp. Approved 7 – 0.
4.Conceptual review and discussion with the developer of the proposed Contessa infill project,
located at the southwest corner of 8th and Rock Street.
Martin Brown and Eric Visser handed out a color drawing of their projected project for 8th
Street and Rock Street. They are proposing a vertical , mixed use, three story development.
They presented this to the previous commission and wanted to get this commission’s ideas
before the official submittal of the application. They have changed the style of the brick to
blend in more with the public library, they are proposing a smaller elevator shaft and
stairwell, and clear guard rails on the roof, all as suggested by the previous commission.
Mr. Brown stated they would still be asking for a height variance and also easements for
parking lot egress through the city parking lot. They have also discovered that they need an
easement to bring power to the building from the screened transformers at the library. The
balconies of the second and third floors will hang over the right-of-way and will also need an
easement.
Johnson discussed his concern over not preserving an historic building. Mr. Visser described
the deterioration of the structure. He stated the Historic Society of Austin has reviewed the
building and determined that it needs to be demolished. Johnson disagrees and wants the
decision in writing from the THC. He gave a bit of history on the building and suggests that
Mr. Visser talk to the neighbors and black community to determine that they do not want to
save the building. He stated they should be given the opportunity. Firth had the idea that
perhaps a plaque could be installed on the new building that describes the original purposed
of the building.
There was discussion of the parking situation and proposed shared parking . Most of the
commission stated they like the proposal and appreciate Mr. Visser’s efforts to revitalize the
area.
5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on April 23, 2009.
Short reminded everyone of the next meeting. He suspended the meeting at 7:07 p.m. for a
short dinner break.
Workshop Agenda:
6. Training and discussion on using Design Guidelines for project review - Karen McGraw, Karen
McGraw Architect.
Chair Short reconvened the meeting for the training session at 7:24 p.m. and the meeting
continued.
7. Adjournment
Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 9:07 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 26, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, March 26,
2009 at 05:30 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300-1 Industrial Ave, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 12, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-003)
Adjournment3.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 26,
2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 26, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , March 26, 2009.
Members Present:
JC Johnson; Will Moore; Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by Acting Chair, J.C. Johnson 5:30 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible
for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of
Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines.
This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and
possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 12, 2009 Sign 1.
Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Pergle, second by Moore to approve the minutes. Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design
Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main
Street. (CDC-2009-003)
Wyler presented the application summary. Main Street Baptist Church is
requesting approval for a new projecting sign for the Main Street Youth Center.
The proposed sign will exactly replace an pre-existing sign, changing out the word
“Ministry” for “Youth”. Guidelines used to support staff recommendation are 9.2,
9.8 and 9.18.
Motion by Moore to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for the
replacement signage as proposed. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0,
3.Adjournment
Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:37 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 12, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, March 12,
2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at Lost Addition, Block 64(PT), located at 208 W. 10
th
Street. (CDC-2009-001)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50(PT), located at 212 W. 8
th
Street. (CDC-2009-002)
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 26,
2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 12, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , March 12, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair, J.C. Johnson 4:00 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing
and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based
upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled
meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Motion by Johnson, second by Moore to approve the minutes . Approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
for signage at Lost Addition, Block 64(PT), located at 208 W. 10th Street. (CDC-2009-001)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a new flush-mounted
wall sign to be located on the front of the building facing 10th Street. The proposed colors
of the plywood constructed sign, green and white, will be identical to the building and a
white, raised edge will border the sign. No illumination is proposed at this time. An
existing light located above the sign will be used.
Motion by Moore to approve the sign CDC as presented in the application. Second
by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50(PT), located at 212 W. 8th Street.
(CDC-2009-002)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant seeks approval for a new vinyl sign to be
located on the front door to the building facing 8th Street. The exact color and design are
provided in the commission packets.
Johnson commented that his uncle owned that building at one time and it housed
Guarantee Abstract Company. Motion by Pergl to approve the sign CDC as presented
in the application. Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0.
Johnson adjourned the meeting at 4:14 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 5, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting will meet on Thursday, March 5, 2009
at 05:30 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex Williamson Conference Room, located at 300-1
Industrial Ave, Georgetown, Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting Members:
West Short, Chair; Susan Firth, J.C. Johnson, Will Moore, Larry Moseley, Ron Pergl, and Dee Rapp
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final
action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council
adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a special scheduled meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m.
1. Introduction of all members and staff.
2.Consideration and possible action to elect a Vice Chair and Secretary for the 2009-2010
Historic and Architectural Review Commission.
3.Nominate and appoint 3 members to the Sign Subcommittee. The Sign Subcommittee
meets the second Thursday of each month at 4:00 p.m. and the fourth Thursday of
each month at 5:30 p.m., as needed to approve specific sign applications.
4.. Distribution and explanation of Downtown Master Plan, Design Guidelines, maps, rosters
and other reference materials.
5. Consideration and possible action to schedule a training session workshop.
6.Reminder of next meetings: Sign Subcommittee, March 12 and March 26 and regular
Commission meeting, March 26, 2009.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 5, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met
on Thursday , March 5, 2009.
Members Present:
Will Moore, Susan Firth, Ron Pergl, J.C. Johnson
Members Absent:
West Short, Larry Moseley, Dee Rapp
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Director and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m.
Will Moore was asked to run the meeting since the appointed Chair was not present. The
meeting was opened at 5:34 p.m.
1. Introduction of all members and staff.
Each commissioner and staff member introduced themselves.
2.Consideration and possible action to elect a Vice Chair and Secretary for the 2009-2010
Historic and Architectural Review Commission.
Moore opened the floor for nominations.
Firth nominated Johnson for Vice Chair. No other nominations were made. Affirmed 4
– 0.
Firth nominated Moore for Secretary. No other nominations were made. Affirmed 4 –
0.
3.Nominate and appoint 3 members to the Sign Subcommittee. The Sign Subcommittee
meets the second Thursday of each month at 4:00 p.m. and the fourth Thursday of
each month at 5:30 p.m., as needed to approve specific sign applications.
Moore opened the floor for discussion of this. Johnson encourages involvement in the
Sign Subcommittee. Pergl, Moore and Johnson volunteer to serve on the Sign
Subcommittee. Affirmed 4 – 0.
4.. Distribution and explanation of Downtown Master Plan, Design Guidelines, maps, rosters
and other reference materials.
Frost explained the order of the contents of the notebooks which held all the materials.
Firth asked for a zoning map.
5. Consideration and possible action to schedule a training session workshop.
Cook stated Karen McGraw, a consultant that has worked with the HARC and city staff
on training on the use of the Design Guidelines is looking at March or April for time to
come to Georgetown. Emails will be sent to check everyone else’s schedules for specific
dates and times.
6.Reminder of next meetings: Sign Subcommittee, March 12 and March 26 and regular
Commission meeting, March 26, 2009.
7.Adjournment Moore adjourned the meeting at 6:17 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, January
22, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 8, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7(NW/PT), located at 715 S. Main Street.
(CDC-2008-047)
Adjourn.3.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January
22, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Jessica Hamilton, Deputy City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this
Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general
public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so
posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Jessica Hamilton, Deputy City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , January 22, 2009.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair, Tommy Gonzalez at 5:39 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing
and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based
upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled
meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 8, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Knight. Approved 3-0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7(NW/PT), located at 715 S. Main Street.
(CDC-2008-047)
Wyler presented the application. The winery on the square is moving locations and
changing its name and therefore its sign. The sign will be attached above the canopy,
centered wit the Main Street entrance. It will be 84 inches wide by 24 inches tall and will
read “Georgetown Winery” with two bunches of grapes in each of the upper corners as
shown in the rendering. A tan background will be used with burgundy text and trim to help
tie in the sign with both the building and the business. Slotted angle irons will be used to
attach the sign. At the time of the application, no illumination was proposed.
Staff recommends approval of the sign based on compliance with Design Guidelines 9.1,
9.9, 9.13, 9.17, 9.18, and 9.21.
Motion by Knight to approve the sign as approved. Second by Johnson. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Adjournment. Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 5:44 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, January 22, 2009 at 06:00 PM
in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission
may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may
request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the
Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic
and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless
otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration a Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of
Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot
7(NW/PT), located at 715 S. Main Street. (CDC-2008-047)
Regular Agenda:
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
for facade and site changes along with an
alternative parking plan at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lots 7&8, located at 1905/1907 S.
Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-046)
4.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on February 26, 2009.
5.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 22, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
January 22, 2009.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair, J.C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will
Moore; West Short
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Chair O’Donnell opened the meeting at 6:02 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act
on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any
item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it
individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's
approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation
described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 regular meeting.1.
Consideration a Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design 2.
Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7(NW/PT), located at 715 S.
Main Street. (CDC-2008-047)
Motion by Knight to approve the items of the consent agenda. Second by
McCalla. Approved 6 – 0. Chair abstains from voting.
Regular Agenda :
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
facade and site changes along with an alternative parking plan at Sparks Addition, Block 1,
Lots 7&8, located at 1905/1907 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-046)
Wyler presented the staff report. The McFarlin Family owns a non-historic, white metal
building located at the south end of Old Town, along Austin Avenue. Recently, two tenants
have agreed to lease space inside the building. One tenant, Curves, has since moved in
and is now open. The second tenant, Covenant Life Church, requires approval from HARC
for an alternative parking plan that will enable the Church to meet its required parking as
stated in the Unified Development Code (UDC). As the applicant wants to update the
exterior of the building and because this property is a commercial use within Old Town, CDC
approval from HARC is required in addition to approval for the alternative parking plan.
Finally, the applicant proposes to install additional landscaping in order to meet City
requirements as well as beautify the property.
Staff recommends approval of the application with the submitted landscape plan and
alternative parking plan. Guidelines used to justify the recommendation are 5.9, 7.1, 7.7,
8.10, 8.27, and 10.1.
The applicant declined to comment at this time. Gonzalez questioned the continuity of the
parking agreement. Kevin Hall, Sr. Pastor of the church stated that the parking agreement
is for 9 -1 am on Sunday and 7 – 9 pm on Wednesdays and that it is signed and notarized,
and the document gives a 60 day notice of cancellation clause to each party. Wyler
explained that the parking agreement is based on usage of the building and that if the
usage changes, the parking agreement will dissolve. The agreement is also a condition of
the Certificate of Occupancy. If the parking agreement is voided by the owner, the
Certificate of Design Compliance and the Certificate of Occupancy would be out of
compliance with the code and code enforcement procedures would be put into effect.
O’Donnell questioned the maintenance of the landscaping. Wyler stated the maintenance of
the planters becomes a code enforcement issue. Moore wanted to know why the
Commission was approving landscaping since it is approved by staff. Wyler explained that
since it was a proposed condition of the CDC, he was asking the Commission to verify the
plan.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the CDC for 1905 S. Austin Avenue as presented in
the application, with the landscaping plan and issues to be handled by staff and
the parking agreement is to remain in effect for the building to remain in
compliance with the CDC. Second by Knight. Approved 6 – 0.
4.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on February 26, 2009.
5.Adjournment
Chair adjourned the meeting at 6:30 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 8, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, January 8,
2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for
hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design
Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a
regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on
the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 Sign 1.
Subcommittee meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 2 (W/PT), located at 116 W. 8
th
Street.
(CDC-2008-044)
For more information on this item, click here:
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/Jan82009/CDC-2008-044.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3(PT), located at 112 W. 8
th
Street.
(CDC-2008-045)
For more information on this item, click here:
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/Jan82009/CDC-2008-045.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January
22, 2009.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 8, 2009
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , January 8, 2009.
Members Present:
J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
Tommy Gonzalez
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
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Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , Nancy Knight at 4:07 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 2 (W/PT), located at 116 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2008-044)
Wyler presented the application stating he used to Guideline 9.6 to recommend this application. No
questions or discussion.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for signage as presented. Second by Knight.
Approved 2 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3(PT), located at 112 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2008-045)
Wyler presented the application. He used Guidelines 9.4, 9.5, 9.6 and 9.7 to give staff
recommendation. Johnson questioned whether this was just a color change. The applicant seeks
approval from HARC to update three existing signs located on the subject building. There will be no
change in size, color, design or location and a picture of the proposed change can be found in
attached to the report .
Johnson and Knight both question the applicant’s desire to keep the sign the same size when she is
allowed a larger sign. The applicant said she didn’t realize she could get a larger sign . Knight said it
would look more in scale with the building if the main sign on 8th Street were increased.
Motion by Johnson to approve the signs as requested in the application. Knight asked to
amend the motion to allow the applicant, in accordance with Guideline 9.5, to increase the
size of the main facade sign to the maximum allowable size with staff approval and at the
applicant’s request. Johnson agreed to the amendment. Knight seconds the amended motion.
Approved 2 – 0.
Knight adjourned the meeting at 4:20 p.m.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 22, 2009.