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HomeMy WebLinkAboutHARC_Agenda&Minutes_2009Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 10, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the City Council and Courts Building, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, TX 78626 If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 12, 2009 Sign 1. Subcommittee meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern, located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042) Adjournment3. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for December 10, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 10, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , December 10, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore, Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Call to order by Chair Moore at 5:30 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 12, 2009 Sign 1. Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Pergl to accept the minutes as presented . Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern, located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of two hanging signs, window signage and a new A-frame sign for the new Landmark Tavern, located on the second floor of the historic Masonic Lodge building. The applicant, Joe Dowda, has agreed with staff that any signage on the building facade would detract from the historic features of the building and is therefore asking for different styles of signage along the sidewalk. Landmark Tavern has both a Main Street and a 7 th Street entrance. Each hanging sign will be hung perpendicular and in front of each door , under the canopy and connected with two chains. Secondly, the applicant is requesting etched-style appliqués of the logo on the glass of several doors. Two windows and one door on Main Street in addition to two doors along 7 th Street will receive the window signage. A beige-colored wooden A-frame is proposed in front of the 7 th Street entrance. Details are described in full in the written report. Guidelines that support the staff recommendation of approval are 9.1, 9.6, 9.7, 9.11, and 9.17. Wyler also presented new drawing for the commissioners that proposed the same signs with a different font chosen. The applicant asked to change the font after the packets were submitted. The colors and sizes of the proposed signage would remain the same. Mr. Dowda explained the new font is more “lyrical” and in keeping with the musical focus of the bar. Commissioner Pergl questioned Mr. Dowda’s intent to minimize the logo. Dowda explained he just wants to make it all look right. He explained that he did not want to place his signage on 8 th Street, but was requesting a sign on Main Street as Monica’s was . Rapp stated she likes the signs, but expressed concern regarding the arrow on the A -frame sign. She would prefer the use of “UPSTAIRS” to indicate the location of the bar. Other commissioners agreed. Dowda agreed to use the word and remove the arrow. He will keep the red color to match the red doors. Motion by Rapp to accept the revised font as submitted, allowing the hanging signs and window signs as submitted, and accepting the A-frame sign with the arrow removed and the word “upstairs” used. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Adjournment Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 5:42 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 10, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the City Council and Courts Building, located at 101 E. 7th Street Georgetown, TX 78626 If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following : Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 22, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern, located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042) Regular Agenda: 3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the removal of a house at Glasscock Addition, Block 4, Lot 3, located at 910 Rock Street. (CDC-2009-037) 4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a detached garage at Eubank Addition, Block 4, Lot 3, located at 1806 Eubank Street. (CDC-2009-038) 5.Certificate of Design Compliance for signage and site/exterior review related to a residential structure changing to a non-residential structure in the Old Town Historic Overlay, at Hughes Addition, Block 3 (pt), to be called the McIntosh Snyder House Bed & Breakfast, located at 514 and 516 East University Avenue. (CDC-2009-041) 6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting that will take place on January 28, 2010. 7.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, December 10, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , December 10, 2009. Members Present: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 22, 2009 regular meeting. Moore stated the Sign Subcommittee approved the sign for the Landmark Tavern (item 2) at it’s meeting at 5:30 p.m. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as presented . Second by Johnson. Approved 7 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), also known as Landmark Tavern, located at 701 Main Street, Suites 200 and 210. (CDC-2009-042) Regular Agenda: 3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the removal of a house at Glasscock Addition, Block 4, Lot 3, located at 910 Rock Street. (CDC-2009-037) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is proposing to remove and relocate the house to Thorndale, Texas where he has purchased a lot. He intends to renovate the house for rental use. the house is currently deteriorating rapidly and surrounded on both sides by parking lots. The owner would like to relocate the house before any further deterioration can occur. Guideline 7.13 is used to support the staff recommendation of approval for this CDC. Mr. Hill, the owner of the house and applicant, was available for comment. Johnson commented that this was not an old, old house and that the area was fast becoming commercial so this was a good opportunity for the house to be saved. Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for removal of this house. Second by Moseley. Approved 7 – 0. Firth recused herself from the room for the following item filing an Affidavit of Conflict of Interest for the property. 4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a detached garage at Eubank Addition, Block 4, Lot 3, located at 1806 Eubank Street. (CDC-2009-038) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is requesting demolition of the garage to allow for an expansion to the main house. The applicant has stated the detached garage is not original to the 1946 main house. The UDC allows for administrative approval of demolition of any non-historic structures in the Old Town Overlay. However, staff brought this to the Commission due to the uncertainty of the structure’s age. The Commission had the opportunity to see the garage on Tuesday to determine any possible value. Staff recommends approval of the demolition permit. Moore commented on the walk-through, stating the age of the garage could not be determined, it was not in good shape and appeared to not have been built structurally sound to begin with. He didn’t think the garage was worth saving. Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for demolition of the garage . Second by Moore. Approved 6 – 0. Rapp recuses herself for the next item due to a possible conflict of interest from being an existing bed and breakfast owner, and filing an Affidavit of Conflict of Interest. Firth came back into the room and took her seat on the dais . 5.Certificate of Design Compliance for signage and site/exterior review related to a residential structure changing to a non -residential structure in the Old Town Historic Overlay, at Hughes Addition, Block 3 (pt), to be called the McIntosh Snyder House Bed & Breakfast, located at 514 and 516 East University Avenue. (CDC-2009-041) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant/owner, Lee McIntosh, is requesting approval for the site layout. As detailed in the provided conceptual site and landscape plan, the property has pre-existing rear parking spaces that are screened from both University and College Streets as well as existing landscaping. The applicant has stated the residential feel of the property will be maintained and that no changes, outside of some minor landscaping, should occur. Currently, the two structures are separated by a bricked central driveway that provides access off University Avenue to a rear parking area. Some of the parking spaces will be located inside a garage and doors on the garages will maintain screening from University Avenue as required by the UDC. The remainder spaces are hidden from either a stucco wall or the structures themselves. The applicant will be required to stripe all spaces prior to opening the B&B establishment. Upon approval of the conceptual site layout from HARC, the applicant will be submitting an official site and landscape plan to Staff for approval. Secondly, the applicant proposes placing a freestanding sign along University Avenue that will advertise the B&B. The sign, to measure 3.5 feet tall by 5 feet wide, will be located just west of the central driveway and will read “McIntosh Snyder House, All Suite Bed and Breakfast” with “Est. 1880” below in addition to a hanging plate with a contact number below that measures 6 inches tall by 3.5 feet wide. The sign will stand at a height of 4.5 feet and will be constructed with two exterior grade six-inch by six-inch treated posts and marine grade fir plywood for the sign face. The poles and verbiage will be forest green, to match the gates and other details on the building. The sign face will be pale yellow, matching the color of the two structures. It will have off-white accents and tone on the background and will be lit by two in -ground lighting fixtures positioned at the base of the sign. Staff recommends approval of the new freestanding sign, as well as the existing site layout based on Guidelines 7.11, 8.19, 8.21, 8.22, 8.24, 8.25, 9.2, 9.3, 9.15, and 9.17. Mr. McIntosh said he no additional comments at this time. Commissioners asked clarifying questions. There will be one sign for the two buildings. Johnson spoke regarding the naming of the house. He stated there is not a law on a double name house, but tradition has the name of the builder as the first name given, and the second name is the name of the architect. Snyder was the original owner of the house and the house was split after his ownership. Johnson questions whether the historical naming tradition should be followed . He also questioned the “Established in 1880” wording since this was actually constructed in 1880 and not a bed and breakfast establishment at that point. Mr. McIntosh spoke to those points. He stated he had always referred to the houses as the Dudley-Snyder House and it is not his intent to mislead anyone by inferring that McIntosh built the home . His marketing team wanted McIntosh, objecting to Snyder for the way it sounds. And the previous owners were the Steenkens , and they did not like that either . McIntosh agreed to change the signage to state the building was constructed in 1880, not established. He also agreed to work on the naming. Johnson stated that Georgetown as a whole values these houses and appreciates the work being done by McIntosh to revive them. Moore questioned the comment by staff that additional landscaping might be added. Wyler responded that they were leaving options open for the commission. The addressing of the properties was questioned. This will remain two different addresses unless replatted as one lot. The number of parking spaces was discussed and it was determined that 10 spaces was enough. Moseley stated he appreciated Johnson’s comments and research and is concerned about the wording of “established” also. He appreciates the work that is being done to make this a quality bed and breakfast. Pergl questioned the request for not requiring a sidewalk on College Street. McIntosh stated he made the request to save the large pecan trees along the side of the property. Cook stood up and stated that the commission has the ability to modify the site plan requirements of a sidewalk, in order to protect the heritage trees. The trees in question are 14” heritage trees. And the change of use of these properties actually triggered the requirement of a site plan with sidewalks. The Commission can give direction to staff to work with Mr. McIntosh, referring to Guideline 8.19, to maintain the street trees. Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for the requested sign and site layout, strongly recommending the exemption of the sidewalk requirement on College Street with regards to saving the trees. Second by Short. Approved 6 – 0. Firth requests that color renderings be submitted with all future sign requests. McIntosh voiced his thanks to the commission for their comments and stated he would be attempting to open the business in February or March. 6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on January 28, 2010. 7.Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:48 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, December 8, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 at 08:15 AM in the 910 Rock Street and 1806 Eubank Street If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 08:15 AM Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a walk-through of the sites on Tuesday, December 8, 2009. This is discovery action of HARC agenda items that will be discussed and action taken on December 10. The application for 910 Rock Street is for relocation of the structure. The application for 1806 Eubank Street is for demolition of the structure. Commissioners have asked for a walk-through and further review of the properties before taking action. There will be discussion at the property, but no action will be taken at this time. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, December 8, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Tuesday , December 8, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore, Susan Firth, and Ron Pergl Members Absent: not applicable Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner Minutes Regular Meeting No minutes were taken at this possible meeting. No action was taken. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, November 12, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore, Ron Pergl, and Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 8, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 5 (e/pt), also known as The Exchange at Annarella, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Ste. A. (CDC-2009-039) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-039.pdf 3.Adjournment. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for December 10, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, November 12, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , November 12, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore, Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Call to order by Chair Moore at 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 8, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. Moore asked for a motion. Pergl questioned whether his comment memo should be included or not. Wyler responded that since the comments were not read into the minutes, it was considered as a written comment and therefore not included in the minutes. Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 5 (e/pt), also known as The Exchange at Annarella, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Ste. A. (CDC-2009-039) Wyler presented the staff report. Due to a name change, the applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) approval for a new window sign on the business’ Austin Avenue display window. The new logo measures 60 inches wide by 40 inches high, totaling 16.6 square feet. This is just under 13% of the window’s total area and the same measurement as the existing window sign. The painted sign will read “The Exchange at Annarella” in white lettering atop a Providence Blue and High Park Green backdrop in the new business design with “a design & consign boutique” in white lettering below. At the bottom of the display window, the applicant would like to have “Interior design studio consignment men’s and women’s clothing, shoes, handbags, furniture, home accessories” in 2-inch white letters taking up slightly less space than the current verbiage at the bottom of the window. The applicant also seeks CDC approval to reface existing hanging and A-frame signs to complement the new window sign. As detailed in the application packet, both signs will remain in the same location but will be refaced. The hanging sign will use the same logo design as the window signage, only reduced and centered on the wooden board. The A-frame sign will also use the same logo design, but will utilize black letters below the business name. Both the current and the proposed signage are within City regulations. Guidelines used to support staff recommendation of approval are: 9.6, 9.7, 9.11, 9.17, and 9.18. Rapp questions the design of the hanging sign. Wyler says it is mentioned on the rendering with a note that the graphic would be the same with the border color up for discussion. Staff feels blue, green, or black would be appropriate. The applicant says they will put up whatever the group votes for. Pergl and Rapp are concerned about the proportions of the hanging sign design since it is a different format size than the others. Pergl also says the light fixture in front of one side of the hanging sign is a concern and the applicant should look into that. Will questioned the color of the border on the sign. There was a discussion of possible solutions to designing the sign to fit. They were concerned about too many details, borders and arrows, and wanting to make it more simple. They were happy with the border and size of the hanging sign. Pergl questioned the lack of transparency of the new window sign, and the fact that it will not look good from the inside and will block light. He suggested taking out the blue of the sign, making the shadows blue to keep them with the theme and design, but allowing more light through the design. Motion by Pergl to accept the approval of the signs, for the window sign consider the option of leaving out the interior blue area and shadow blue in lieu of black and accepting the verbiage, accepting the A-frame sign as applied, and having the hanging sign modified with staff approval of the drawing of the stretched logo with a border. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Adjournment Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:22 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 and September 24, 2009 regular meetings. Regular Agenda: 2.Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #102, also known as Texas State Optical. (CDC-2009-035) 3.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes at Dimmit Addition, Block 83 (nw/pt), also known as Wag-a-bag, located at 602 E. University Avenue. (CDC-2009-037) 4.Discussion and possible action to create a site visit process for Commissioners for demolition and other applications prior to action being taken. 5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on December 10, 2009. 6.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , October 22, 2009. Members Present: Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp Members Absent: West Short, Chair; Larry Moseley Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Community Development Director; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session - To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Vice-Chair Johnson called the meeting to order at 6:02 p.m. and welcomed everyone and read the following meeting procedures. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. He explained that if anyone needs instructions of the process of the meeting to let him know otherwise everyone else should know what they are doing. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 and September 24, 2009 regular meetings. Johnson explained that the reason for the delay of the August minutes was that a member asked for a more thorough transcription of a specific item, and that was now included. Motion by Moore to approve both sets of minutes. Second by Rapp. Firth brought forth a correction to the September 24 minutes. On Item 1 of the consent agenda, there is a statement “Pergl stated he” that was not completed. Johnson asked the Recording Secretary to see if that statement was needed or a typo. (RS Frost researched this partial statement and discovered this was a typographical error and stricken from the finalized minutes.) Vote called. Approved with the tentative correction, 4 – 0. (Pergl was not present yet for this vote.) Regular Agenda: 2.Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #102, also known as Texas State Optical. (CDC-2009-035) Moore first explained that the Sign Subcommittee asked that this item be forwarded to the entire commission based on the fact that this was an requested amendment to a Master Sign Plan and that recently that has created some conflicts. The Sign Subcommittee felt this should be reviewed by the Commission. Pergl entered the meeting. Wyler presented the staff report. In October of 2005, HARC approved a Master Sign Plan for the 1102 S. Austin Avenue building. This approval included conditions for each tenant regarding signage placement and allowances. Today, Texas State Optical (formerly Patel Eye Care), occupies Suite 102 and is given space for a hanging sign on each of two canopies due to its location at the corner of 11th Street and Austin Avenue. This is in addition to allowed window lettering. Dr. Patel, the applicant, has stated that the awning sign facing Austin Avenue is completely blocked by a Crape Myrtle tree when in bloom. The 11th Street side of the building can physically accommodate a flush-mounted wall sign rather than just a hanging sign but that this was not mentioned in the approved Master Sign Plan. The existing conditions of the Master Sign Plan allow for only two hanging signs for this particular suite, which are currently installed. Therefore, the applicant is asking HARC to consider an amendment to the Master Sign Plan to replace the two hanging signs with two flush-mounted wall signs for the corner suite that will be compatible with the building and provide better advertisement for the business. This item was originally taken to the October 8, 2009 HARC Sign Subcommittee. Because there was one absent Subcommittee member and because the members at the meeting felt that an amendment to a Master Sign Plan should be reviewed by the whole Commission, they took action to forward the item onto the October 22, 2009 regular HARC. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval for a change in conditions for the 1102 S. Austin Avenue Master Sign Plan due to visibility issues and design appropriateness. Two types of signs are proposed that will replace the applicant’s existing hanging signs. The first is for the addition of two flush-mounted wall signs. One of these wall signs will face 11th Street. The oval logo proposed is a Moderate Density Overlay (MDO) wood sign, the same type of material used on other signs located on the building. The sign will be painted white with an Olympic Blue border around the edge and “TSO” in black letters in the center. “Texas State Optical” will be in white, 1/2-inch raised letters underneath the oval. The 11th Street sign will measure 42.1 inches high by 96 inches wide, a total area of 28 square feet. Another flush-mounted wall sign will face Austin Avenue. It will be smaller, measuring 21 inches high by 48 inches wide, a total area of seven (7) square feet, and will utilize the same materials and design as the other sign. With both signs, the applicant prefers the “Texas State Optical” be raised using the white acrylic lettering mounted to the building with metal studs with no backdrop, as shown on the rendering for the Austin Avenue sign, but states that if HARC is unfavorable to this design, the applicant is open to using a rectangle MDO sign board, painted black or dark blue, with white vinyl lettering, as shown on the 11th Street sign rendering. Neither flush-mounted wall sign will be illuminated and the applicant has stated that the canopy signs will be removed upon installation of the wall signs. The Master Sign Plan, with proposed amended language for Suite 102, has been provided by the applicant for HARC’s consideration detailing the new wall signs as part of the Master Sign Plan. In addition to amending the Master Sign Plan, the applicant would like to place an A-frame sign in front of the Austin Avenue entrance door. The two-sided wooden sign will measure 24 inches wide by 36 inches high and will be made of MDO wood cut into the shape provided with the rendering. The sign will read “TSO, Texas State Optical” in the same design and colors as the proposed wall signs with an Olympic Blue arrow pointing to the front door and “Accepting most Medical & Vision Insurance” in black lettering written below. Guidelines cited that support staff recommendation of approval are 9.4, 9.5, 9.11, 9.13, 9.15, 9.17. Wyler also provided written documentation of support from other businesses in the area, and draft language of the proposed Master Sign Plan Amendment. Johnson questions the tenant applying for the Master Sign Plan that was originally submitted by the owner of the building. Wyler explained that he met with the applicant and the owner of the building and that the owner is in full support of the amendment and his choice that the agent/ tenant submit this application. Wyler pointed out the owner’s initials of approval on the application. Commissioners requested either the owner’s attendance or written letter of approval. Wyler stated he would require a letter of approval from owners from this point forward. Other questions, Rapp is concerned about Master Sign Plan amendment and the affect of the changes on the other tenants. Wyler stated the reason the applicant is bringing this forward is that this building was built to accommodate signs like the one being applied for, but in 2005, the Master Sign Plan that was requested and approved was only for hanging signs and window signs. This amendment would not actually change the amount of signage allowed, nor the materials or colors, just the types. Rapp says her concern is that the owner is not communicating the restrictions of the master sign plan to his tenants. Others agreed. Firth voiced concern over the Austin Avenue facing signage shown. Clarification was given that the applicant was giving two choices to the commission to pick which one they wanted. The applicant wants the signs to match, preferably with the raised lettering style. Firth also voiced concern over the placement difference in height. The agent, Ray Shawley, of Affordable Signs, says this is because of the height of the awning. There was further debate and discussion of the signage on Austin Avenue and the disproportionate placement. Wyler proposed putting in the pitch of the roof on the side of the building, which would balance the Austin Avenue signage height. Shawley says the tenant has to make a choice about which space they would like to use since they are limited in amount of signage, either wall or awning signage, not both. Johnson questions whether the owner has a preference. Wyler stated “no, Mr. McIntosh was fine with either type of sign and signed the application”. Firth confirms the signage that is proposed. Mr. Patel explains the signage he wants to address the different types of traffic on that corner, the pedestrian and the automobiles. Moore reiterated the need for a letter from the owner that states he understands the application and possible consequences to the other tenants. Firth confirmed which signage they wanted to use. Shawley and Patel said they would choose the raised lettering signs. Rapp questioned the thickness of the proposed signs and the original master sign plan requirements. Shawley says the original plan restricted only the thickness of the frame of the sign. This amendment would allow a thicker sign. Rapp pointed out that this would affect all tenants. It was stated that this would apply only to future tenants. Existing tenants fall under the original plan. Motion by Firth to accept the revised Master Sign Plan to include the signage request for Suite 102 with the stipulation that a letter is received from the owner agreeing to the Master Sign Plan changes. Motion dies for lack of second. Cook explains that the owner currently must sign all applications for tenant signage and is fully aware of all applications for his property that are filed with the city, this is a requirement on the applications. Firth moves to accept the revised Master Sign Plan as written. Second by Moore. Approved 5 – 0. Moore moves to approve the CDC for Dr. Patel’s signs as written, including the A-frame with the condition that it is taken in at night. Second by Rapp. Approved 5 – 0. 3.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes at Dimmit Addition, Block 83 (nw/pt), also known as Wag-a-bag, located at 602 E. University Avenue. (CDC-2009-037) Wyler presented the staff report. The owner of the property is asking for CDC approval for exterior modifications that have been performed at the Wag-a-bag convenience store on University Avenue, across from Williams Elementary. The building is not considered historic according to the Georgetown Historic Resources Survey. Pictures of the recently installed metal roof have been provided in the applicant’s packet and a sample of the Texas Rib gauge acrylic coated galvalume, with 1/2-inch ribs on 6-inch centers, was presented to the Commission at the meeting. There was no change in the height or span of the roof and no other facade features on the building were changed during the project. The Guideline used to support the staff recommendation for approval was 6.24. Firth questioned how this work could have been done without coming before the commission first. Wyler explained that this was a code enforcement “catch” and that many times people state they didn’t know they needed to come to the city for approval. Rapp questioned the “darkening” of the metal roof and how much it would darken. Wyler gave an example of the Curves business roof that was painted black. Pergl explained that the metal would darken some, but that painting the metal was not always the best option as a lighter roof is more energy efficient. Motion by Moore to grant the CDC for the application as presented. Second by Pergl. Rapp stated the property owner should be warned to come to the City with any future proposed changes before doing them. Approved 5 – 0. 4.Discussion and possible action to create a site visit process for Commissioners for demolition and other applications prior to action being taken. Wyler opened the floor for discussion, stating that several commissioners were requesting site visits for certain types of applications, and asking for a process to do that consistently. It was commonly agreed to that the commissioners would like to view items that were up for demolition, relocation, or on staff recommendation. Motion by Rapp to add site visits as a regular process of review for applications of demolition, relocation, and at staff recommendation, to be held generally on the Tuesday before a regular HARC meeting, or as coordinated with the property owners. Second by Pergl. Approved 5 – 0. 5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on December 10, 2009. 6.Adjournment Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 7:10 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 8, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, October 8, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 10, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1 (pt), also known as the Quenan's Building, located at 700 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-034) 3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), to be known as Texas State Optical, located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-035) 4. Consideration and possible action on a request for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51 (pt), also known as Interim Health Care, located at 111 W. 9 th Street. (CDC-2009-036) 5.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for October 22, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, October 8, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , October 8, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore and Dee Rapp Members Absent: Ron Pergl Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Call to order by Chair Moore at 4:04 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 10, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Rapp to approve the minutes, second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1 (pt), also known as the Quenan's Building, located at 700 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-034) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new projecting directory sign facing 7th Street. Details, including dimensions, colors and location of the sign have been provided in the applicant’s submittal materials attached to the staff report. Guidelines used to support the staff recommendation of approval are 9.8, 9.10, 9.13, and 9.17. Rapp clarified the 90 degree angle of the sign and that it was not flush with the building. Wyler confirmed. She also questioned the staff report recommending signage at 11 W. 9th Street. Wyler stated that was a typographical error. Ray Shawley, applicant’s agent with Affordable Signs, also confirmed the sign was to be placed on the existing 18 inch column, with the bracket as shown and at least 8 feet over the existing sidewalk. Motion by Rapp to accept the sign as detailed in the report. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0. 3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), to be known as Texas State Optical, located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-035) Wyler began presenting the staff report and Chair Moore stopped him. Moore stated that since this application was an amendment to a Master Sign Plan, and since that was a sensitive issue, he was recommending that this item be carried over to the next regular meeting of the entire Commission. Rapp concurred since she felt there were unanswered questions and she had different concerns even than Pergl’s, which were submitted via a memo in his absence. Motion by Rapp to table this item to the next full Commission meeting. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0. 4. Consideration and possible action on a request for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51 (pt), also known as Interim Health Care, located at 111 W. 9th Street. (CDC-2009-036) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new projecting sign above the existing awning and vinyl lettering as window advertisement. Staff recommends approval of the signage based on supporting Guidelines 9.6, 9.8, 9.15, 9.17, and 9.18. Moore brought up Pergl’s comments which were: 1.The bracket for the projecting sign should mimic the existing projecting sign bracket. And, 2. The projecting sign not extend out from the face of the building further than the existing awning. Moore concurred. Wyler stated the applicant had assured him these two items were taken into account and that the sign would be placed on an existing bracket, and definitely not protrude beyond the awning. Motion by Rapp to approve the signage as detailed in the staff report. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0. 5.Adjournment. Confirmation of next meeting, October 22. Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:19 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, September 30, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 09:00 AM in the structure of 214 W. 3rd Street, Georgetown, TX 78626 If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth, J.C. Johnson, Will Moore, Larry Moseley, Ron Pergl, and Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 09:00 AM Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance for a walk-through of the site on Wednesday, September 30, 2009. This is follow-up action to a previous HARC agenda item. The application was for demolition of this structure and no action was taken by HARC at the time. Commissioners asked for a walk-through and further review of the property before taking action. There will be discussion at the property, but no action will be taken at this time. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Wednesday, September 30, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Wednesday , September 30, 2009. Members Present: Members Absent: Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Minutes Regular Meeting No minutes, nor attendance, were taken at this walk-through of the site. Posting only. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 24, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 regular meeting. Regular Agenda: Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes and signage at City of Georgetown, 1. Block 39, Lots 1-4 (pts), to be known as Galaxy Cupcakes, located at 107 East 7 th Street. (CDC-2009-033) Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on October 22, 2009.2. Adjournment3. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 24, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , September 24, 2009. Members Present: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: Will Moore Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:02 p.m. and reads the following meeting procedures. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission, appointed by the Mayor and the City Council, is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines and Unified Development Code. (Commission may, at any time, recess the Regular Session to convene an Executive Session at the request of the Chair, a Commissioner, the Director or legal counsel for any purpose authorized by the Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code Chapter 551.) Welcome and Meeting Procedures: Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation (limited to ten (10) minutes unless stated otherwise by the Commission) Questions from Commission to Staff and Applicant Comments from Citizens * Applicant Response Commission Deliberative Process Commission Action * Those who speak must turn in a speaker form, located at the back of the room, to the recording secretary before the item that they wish to address begins. Each speaker will be permitted to address the Commission one time only for a maximum of three (3) minutes. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for consideration and possible action on the following: Consent Agenda: 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009 regular meeting. Chair Short asks if there is any discussion or motion on the minutes. Rapp explains that she wanted more detail on the more controversial items and that she would like to certain points that were made at the meeting. Frost offered to transcribe the item in question. Short asked whether the audiotape of the meeting was available for anyone that asked. Frost responded yes, it was available. Pergl stated he Motion by Rapp to table approval of the minutes as written until a transcription of Item 2 of the August 27 meeting could be written into the minutes and posted on the web. Second by Johnson. There was further discussion and clarification of the motion . Rapp amended her motion to be that we ask that the minutes regarding Item 2 regarding Merrill Lynch be transcribed and included in the minutes and that the discussion of the minutes be tabled until the next meeting. Second by Johnson. Approved 6 – 0. Regular Agenda: 2.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade changes and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 1-4 (pts), to be known as Galaxy Cupcakes, located at 107 East 7th Street. (CDC-2009-033) Wyler presented the staff report. This is for a CDC for Galaxy Cupcakes to be located at 107 East 7th Street, which is changing to 113 E. 7th Street. The address is changing, the building remains the same. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval for facade changes including the installation of wood paneling underneath the 7th Street display window, the replacement of fixtures and address numbers, repainting and installation of new awnings, as well as new signage. First, the applicant would like to replace the address numbers, light fixture and mailbox. A description of all proposed changes was available in the applicant’s packet. Applicant is asking to remove an existing fence around the side and back courtyard and turn that into an outdoor seating area, with an application for that specific area to be submitted at a later date. They want to repaint existing trim and add a wood panel beneath the front window. Two new black and white vertical striped awnings are also proposed for the 7th Street facade. Signage was described in the staff report. Guidelines used to support staff recommendation of this application are 5.9, 6.7, 7.1, 9.4, 9.5, 9.6, 9.8, 9.13, 9.14, 9.15, 10.1, and 10.4. Commissioners asked clarifying questions. Rapp questioned the cornice trim. Wyler projected a recent picture to give better definition. There was discussion of having part of the building trim painted black and part green. There was discussion about the placement of the hanging sign and why it was presented lower. The applicants explained that their building is about a foot lower than the other buildings on that sidewalk, even with a sloping sidewalk out front. And the other signs are already hung, leaving a lower placement as the optimal location. This also affects the placement of the awnings. The applicants, Cheryl Wilhite and Cherie Gilbert, stated the awnings and the sign will need to be lower. Rapp also questioned the fixture at the front door. The neighboring business fixtures face up and this one is placed facing down. The applicant said the existing fixture is facing down . Firth brought up that the other buildings are very different by nature and this one is designed to stand out. The applicant concurs. Short questioned the size and location of the fixture and whether it would be in the way of hurting someone if they ran into it. Wilhite stated their fixture is much smaller than the one Short used as an example. The placement of the fixture was discussed and it was decided that if it was placed according to ADA and electric code qualifications, and passed inspections, it would be allowed. The hanging sign’s bracket was discussed and Gilbert presented a bracket that was liked by the commissioners more than the existing one originally presented. Commissioners and applicants discussed some remembered history of the building . This building at one time was built all the way to the corner. There was a fire in the 1800’s.. The buildings to the west were rebuilt and this building was added on as a possible stable. Then the cinderblock addition was added much later . It was Goodfellows Hall on the west side and this was a tin roof section that was attached to that structure. The brick and height of this section of the building are different than those of the adjacent structure. Pergl brought up that he was not a fan of the black and white striped awnings. Gilbert explained that the striped awning historically declared the building as a bakery. Pergl acquiesced but stated they would have to be aware that their awnings would require more upkeep and maintenance than some of the other styles. Moseley made a motion that an approval of the CDC was granted with the following conditions: that the painting of the cornice was not done, but left the existing color; the light fixture needs to be safe and meet ADA guidelines. Second by Pergl. Rapp clarifies that the applicant is not to paint the cornice trim black or not at all? Moseley states to not paint it black. Motion approved 6-0. 3.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on October 22, 2009. Chair Short stated he will not be in attendance on October 22. Wyler was questioned about the November and December meeting schedule. He explained that since both regular commission meetings occurred during the holidays, the meetings were combined and the commission would meet once on December 10, with the regular sign subcommittee before it. 4.Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:40 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, September 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may or may not be in attendance at the City Council Meeting of Tuesday, September 22, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Tuesday, September 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Tuesday , September 22, 2009. Members Present: Members Absent: Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Minutes Regular Meeting No minutes were taken for the Historic and Architectural Review commission as this was a City Council Meeting. Posting only. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 10, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lots 6 - 8 (pts), also known as Brazos Collection, located at 817 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-031) 3.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for September 24, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 10, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , September 10, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore, Ron Pergl Members Absent: Dee Rapp Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by Chair Will Moore at 4:01 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 27, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as written. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lots 6 - 8 (pts), also known as Brazos Collection, located at 817 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-031) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicants seeks CDC approval for window signage , including the existing hours of operation and contact information, that are already displayed, and a new business logo on the Austin Avenue storefront window. Unaware of downtown sign regulations, the applicant installed both the white vinyl lettering advertising the contact information, hours of operation and a business logo on the storefront window. The applicant was asked by staff to remove the business logo sign but was allowed to leave the contact information with the condition they apply for CDC approval through HARC. The proposed signage for this business meets guidelines 9.6, 9.17, and 9.18 and staff recommends approval of the CDC. Pergl questioned whether the applicant (who was not present) was leaving the existing hanging sign. Wyler stated that was their intent. Moore stated he likes the sign because they were able to use the allowed 3 colors with black and white and still make it look like 15 marbled colors. Wyler stated the sign was redesigned from the original design to only use the 3 colors plus black and white. Motion by Pergl to approve the CDC for signage as requested. Second by Moore. Approved 2 – 0. 3.Adjournment Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:08 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 27, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore, Rond Pergl, Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 13, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an 2. amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known as Tamiro Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-030.pdf Adjournment3. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for August 27, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 27, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , August 27, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore, Chair; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Also in attendance: City Council members Pat Berryman, Dale Ross and Bill Sattler Staff Present: Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by Chair Moore at 5:30 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the August 13, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1. Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known as Tamiro Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030) Wyler presented the staff report. On October 30, 2008, a HARC approved Master Sign Plan for the Tamiro Plaza office building was approved . This approval included conditions for each tenant on signage placement and allowances. Merrill Lynch, occupying half of the 1st Floor, was given space on a monument sign as well as ten-inch white lettering on the green sign freezes above each of its business windows. Merrill Lynch, the applicant, has stated that the legal corporate trademarked logo used worldwide cannot be altered. The existing conditions of the Master Sign Plan prohibit the company from using the corporate logo and disallow the type of signage proposed. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval for additional signage to be added to the exterior of Tamiro Plaza. An LED illuminated wall-mounted sign is proposed directly above a first floor window on both the Austin Avenue and 5th Street sides of the building as shown in the application packet. Each sign will measure eleven (11) feet wide by 2.6 feet tall and will be white with a black outline of the corporate bull logo to the left of the business name. The plate where the letters and bull logo are will be painted red to blend into the red brick of the building. The applicant believes this will reduce the visibility of the sign outside of the letters and bull logo. A diagram detailing how the sign will be attached and wired to the building has been provided along with details on the location, size and color of the two signs. Guidelines used to review this application were 9.4, 9.5, 9.13, 9.14, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18, 9.20 & 9.21. Staff did not make a recommendation of approval or denial. Chair Moore stated that he read the application and feels the considerations that need to be made should be taken to the entire Commission for review. Motion by Pergl to defer the decision of this application to the regular meeting to be held at 6:00 p.m. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Adjournment Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 5:37 p.m. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for August 27, 2009 at 6:00 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 27, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 23, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known as Tamiro Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-030.pdf Regular Agenda: 3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Clamp’s Addition Revised, Block A (nw/pt), located at 803 S. College Street. (CDC-2009-028) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-028.pdf 4.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 2 & 3 (pts), to be known as Green Earth Energy Systems, Inc., located at 109 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-029) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-029.pdf 5.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format. 6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on September 24, 2009. 7.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 27, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , August 27, 2009. Members Present: West Short, Chair; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: Susan Firth Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Also in attendance: City Council members Pat Berryman, Dale Ross and Bill Sattler. Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 23, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 - 8, also known as Tamiro Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-030) Commissioner Moore, Chair of the Sign Subcommittee requested that item number two be considered by the entire commission as a regular agenda item. Item number two was discussed as a regular agenda item. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 6 – 0. Regular Agenda: At the request of a Commissioner , item number two is presented here as a transcription , a complete account of the meeting. Short: That takes us to Item 2, which is consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan at Tamiro Plaza. Robbie why don’t you go through that with us? Wyler: Okay, and once again this is the item that was forwarded from the sign subcommittee. And on October 30, 2008, HARC approved a Master Sign Plan for Tamiro Plaza, for all tenants within. The master sign plan had set conditions per floor per tenant as to where they could put signage. The applicant Merrill Lynch was given sign on the existing monument sign as well as space above their current windows for white lettering. And at this time because of corporate regulations, the applicant Merrill Lynch is asking for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan. That way they can propose a sign that they feel is still appropriate and better advertises the building and they are, they have restrictions on what they can and cannot put with their corporate signage. Within your packet I have detailed the two LED illuminated signs that they’re bringing in front of you. This is what they are asking via the amendment to the Master Sign Plan. Instead of having the white lettering above the window on the green frieze, they are asking to place these brackets above the windows, the details in terms of size is provided and would be a soft white glow to the signs. And the location is provided in the pictures and I have provided a picture and a sample of what that red . . .and it should focus here soon. The red behind the white that was mentioned is a sample of the actual of the actual color that will be used. Will be matching to the brick . . . and I don’t know if we can turn down the lights it’s sunny and there’s nothing we can do about that. That’s what we are talking about . It will not exactly match but closely match the red brick on Tamiro Plaza. And the guidelines that staff used on its recommendations are as follows. One is Guideline 9.4 which is - A flush-mounted wall sign may be considered. Guideline 9.5 – A flush-mounted wall sign shall not exceed one square foot for every one linear foot of facade. Guideline 9.13 – A sign should not in any way obscure or compete with architectural details of an historic building facade. Guideline 9.14 – Signs that are out of character with those seen historically and that would alter the historic character of the street are inappropriate. Guideline 9.15 – Sign materials should be compatible with that of the building facade. Guideline 9.17 – Use colors for the sign that are compatible with those of the building front. Guideline 9.18 – A simple sign design is preferred. Guideline 9.20 – If internal illumination is used, it should be designed to be subordinate to the overall building composition. Guideline 9.21 – Sign brackets and hardware should be compatible with the building and installed in a workman-like manner. And I’m here to answer any questions you may have as well as the applicant. Pergl: OK Robbie I have a question. This that was included in our packet is part of the Master Sign Agreement. Wyler: Yes, and I brought . . .I know that one of the members asked that I bring what was taken to HARC with the Master Application. This is what was approved for the monument sign and there is Merrill Lynch at the top. But for the building this is one sheet. This is kind of above their windows. This is what was approved in addition to that monument sign . It is a certain size, a certain color, a certain font. And that was just one of the conditions that was part of that Master Sign Plan. So, in this case if the applicant wants to sway or do something other than that the applicant will have to come back before you guys which is what the applicant is doing today because of the different type of signage. So they are asking to not use this type of signage because of corporate regulations and to put what they have in front of you, what the application states. And outside of those, is their, they were, they were not given any other signage on the building. Short: And Robbie, let me ask this as well. The Merrill Lynch sign would be actually above the window on the brick. Would they also be allowed to use the green frieze in the window below it? Robbie: They are not asking for that and they do not intend to do that but I mean you could just make it a condition. Someone from the audience is speaking outside of the microphone area. No audio was available. Short: OK. Berryman (?): talking, still not at microphone. Short: If you are going to address us, please come to the microphone. Berryman: . . . just a few items that might clear things up . Short: State your name. Berryman: Robert Berryman. I manage the Merrill Lynch office here in Georgetown. Been here, as of this month, we’ve been in Georgetown for 16 years. Um. And I’ve thought it might be helpful to cover a couple of things. One of these items on the lease, we had to ask for both signage and I guess that the folks working on the lease thought that that had been approved, the signage on the window. And as I pointed out earlier, the restrictions not only by corporate logo but also because the logo has to be approved through the industry. The securities industry actually has to approve what Merrill Lynch can put on signage. The bull, Merrill Lynch bull has to be a certain size and the lettering following the bull has to be a certain size. And the spacing above and below the signage has to be a certain size and that would really relegate us to inch lettering of less than three inches high on that green frieze panel. And that’s why we had no intention of doing that after looking at it. And we had thought we would be able to then put the signage on the brick. And as we found out obviously that is going to require an amendment because he had only applied for the green frieze to be signage. The illumination that was talked about , in the industry is low lumens, LED illuminations. It has about a hundred thousand hour life expectancy. It will probably not burn out in our lifetime, if that’s a consideration. The other thing, if one light fails in the system, they all fail. So it’s not like we will end up with a bad signage problem. Short: Robert, is the monument sign also being lit in a similar manner? Berryman: I’m not sure, it’s bright blue. The building owner would have to speak to that . We don’t have any lighting on that monument sign. Short: Does anyone else have any more questions for the applicant? Rapp: I do. Mr. Berryman, in the picture in the rendering we have which is this one here that has the writing in it that shows what was originally approved. Does that not meet corporate standards? It doesn’t have the bull but it has Merrill Lynch, looks like the font and the lettering. Does that not meet your corporate standards? Berryman: No it would have to have the bull, it couldn’t just say Merrill Lynch. And as I said, the lettering would be so small it wouldn’t be legible unless you were standing on that corner. The lettering would be less than three inches high. Rapp: But if you had. If this green space was that restrictive and you knew that going in, because it says that as of October of 2008 when the Master Sign Plan was approved that all the conditions were spelled out for each tenant. Is that not correct? Berryman: In the original lease that we had, we had requested both and I was not in on the negotiations for the signage. And to be honest with you that was during a period when Merrill Lynch as being acquired by Bank of America. So I don’t know if the confusion came about because of that. We were under the impression, locally anyway, that we had that signage in our lease and did not realize we hadn’t until later. And that’s when we approached the building owner. And in our lease agreement it’s exhibit K, I think you may have that, as to the signage. It talks to our corporate id. Short: I don’t believe we do. Rapp: I don’t believe we have. Berryman: You don’t have that? Rapp: No, we’re not the same HARC commission so we don’t have all of that here. Shuffling and rustling. Moore: Question that kinda goes along with this, in the letter that we got that has your Merrill Lynch at the bottom. I assume it came from you. It’s a signage request for the HARC Commission. Berryman: Right. Moore: In the fourth paragraph, there’s a sentence in there about two-thirds down that says lettering that small would likely require a variance from our regulating authorities. Berryman: That’s what we were told by our signage company . Moore: I understand. What that refers to is that the lettering is very small and I infer from that that there are variances to these regulations that you are referring to. Berryman: It would be pretty impossible to get the New York Stock Exchange to give us a variance. Moore: They are available? Berryman: They are the governing body on this. And I mention that because that’s how difficult the variance would be. You would have to go that far off. Moore: I understand that that is difficult. But maybe it is difficult to get it through the city historic and architectural review commission. But there are, all I’m trying to establish is, there are ways you can get variances. Berryman: I don’t think it would be effective signage and it would not be worth our trouble to do. Also, on the raceway that you have that matches the brick. The spacing between the lettering would only be a quarter of an inch so whatever’s going to show is going to be minimal. We will match it as closely to the brick as possible, but it’s probably not going to be noticeable anyway. Short: Robert, which actual suite in this building is Merrill Lynch going to occupy? Is it where the sign is proposed? Berryman: We are on the first floor on that side of the building where the signage is proposed. We are basically that lower half of the building. So, there are a few hundred feet on the back of that side of the building that do not belong to us right now. This would be our side of the building and we would occupy, all the way back to . . . .or at least most of the way back . . . there are a few hundred feet in the back that we don’t occupy. Short: And I have not seen your lease with Tamiro, but is it Tamiro that has the right to place signage or is it the tenant? For example, you put this Merrill Lynch sign up and Tamiro gets some other tenants in there and they would like to put signage in the green friezes in the space that you are firm occupies, would you have, is that something that Merrill Lynch gets to control or is that Tamiro that gets to make that decision? Berryman: Well, it is my understanding that we would control that. But I brought somebody from the building ownership to speak to some issues like that. And do you know how that works? (He addresses someone behind him ) Wyler: In this case it would be Tamiro coming forth because they are the ones that brought and got that approved a master sign plan, so if anyone would be to amend this it would be Tamiro’s decision. So if somebody else wanted to come in and put signage there, they would have to get Tamiro’s okay. They are the owners of the property . In this case, Merrill Lynch is coming forward with the application, but that is because Tamiro is allowing them to do so. So it’d Tamiro’s decision whether or not a sign could go there and it would be an amendment to the master sign plan as well. Short: So from a process stand point, and let’s just take the hypothetical, that other tenants come into the building and the building owner would like to put the signs of those tenants on the windows of the space that is actually, physically being occupied by Merrill Lynch. Is that something that can be done without coming to HARC or is that something that has to come to us? Wyler: What you would do in that case is just make that a condition of the approval that no other signage can go right there. Because technically signage can go in there unless you state it can’t because it’s part of the master sign plan . This is in addition to the master sign plan . You could just make a condition to prevent something like that from happening. Short: OK. And Robbie, a question for you. In the summary, staff had sorta a cryptic recommendation. Wyler: Yes. Short: Normally it’s either recommend approval or denial, and this one was to recommend “consider”. I don’t recall seeing that before so can you, from a staff’s standpoint, state what you were thinking as staff. Wyler: The reason that it’s like that is because you make your decision based on the guidelines . The guidelines, no guidelines really go against this sign. And there is one guideline that made us uncomfortable and that was the whole “is it appropriate for this building?” Is it appropriate that the building has a master sign plan for a reason? I tried to describe that. And it’s up to you guys to decide whether it is appropriate to amend this set master sign plan that if there no master sign plan and they were just coming forward would otherwise be appropriate for the building. It’s just now they have something that says what they can and cannot do where in any other case it would just be like another sign coming forward. That’s why we didn’t give a yes or a no . We just kinda gave our opinion as to there are no guidelines going against it but it’s a matter of whether you want to against the master sign plan or not. Short: Okay. Johnson, J.C: Well it seems to me. If all it were ever going to be was Merrill Lynch’s sign on the outside of the building, I think it’s not an unattractive sign. And I would think yea, that would be okay. But you have a master plan for signage for the building. And if Silver and Stone decided that they wanted to come and have a sign on the exterior of the building as they have already done and they are wanting to put an extra sign. And you have a whole flock of tenants in there. Each one of whom could perhaps conjure up some corporate requirement for signage on the exterior of the building. And the next thing you know, what’s the point of having a master sign plan for the building? You would have it dotted with not Merrill Lynch, but Merrill Lynch and assorted other signs all over the outside of the building. Which doesn’t sound like to me a good prospect. Short: Robbie, that brings up an important question. Is the plan here to amend the master sign plan to allow this type of sign or is it to allow this sign as an exception to the master sign plan? Wyler: It is this specific sign. If anything else was to come in it would have to go through the same process. Short: Okay. Moseley: I want clarification, are we talking about one sign or two signs? Wyler: It’s two signs. Moseley: One on each corner. Wyler: Yes. Both are the same size, design everything.. Moseley: Both on the same corner? Wyler: Yes. Rapp: But there nothing stopping any other tenants from coming back and asking for the exact same thing. Right? Wyler: Actually not. You are allowed to ask for an amendment to a master sign plan. Moore: There is however a limit to how much signage can go on each face of that building total . Wyler: A maximum signage follows the one per one rule. One square foot of signage per one lineal foot of building. Moore: So now it’s whoever comes first. Once we reach that limit it would be no more. Wyler: Then it would be part of the rule that says this guideline is going against it . Right now that guideline is not going against it. Moore: Okay. Rapp: Okay, then I have another question then. So, will this signage proposed on the one with the exterior corporate id, up here where it shows the clearest view of that. It’s above the first floor, but is actually on the second floor, so isn’t the tenant on the second floor, I mean it sorta looks like, that, that, the office is on the second floor not the first floor. Wyler: That was just . . .. they didn’t want to cover the design features of the building and they wanted to put it on the brick and most signage is above a window rather than below the window. And when you advertise, they felt this was the most appropriate place for a signage like this. Rapp: Okay. Voices in the background. Wyler: Yeah. Go ahead. Johnson, Troy: I’m Troy Johnson, and I work at Merrill Lynch and I’ve been working with the corporate in New York on the signage, the contact. One of the designs on the plan, if you see in that brick, is a square facade. It was actually designed in for a sign to go right there. So, Signs for Success out of New York that works with us has already looked there. They are the ones that tested . It’s actually designed to go right in there at the facade where a physical sign would go on the building, the way it would be designed. Pergl: This, this, this picture here where we can actually see that brick detail. It does not match this at all. And the one we see up on the projector. Berryman: It would be the side of the delineated brick area. Pergl: So, this one that we are seeing here where Merrill Lynch is superimposed on the brick detail is much larger than the actual . . . . Berryman: It’s probably going to fit inside of that designated brick rectangle. Pergl: So the bull would actually fit inside that brick outline or just the lettering itself? Johnson: It’s exactly the, it’s exactly, on, as you would see it on our presentation with the dimensions, what, the way it work again as Robert had stated earlier, our limitations with our trademark and our logo is the bull would be from the top of that window down and then the Merrill Lynch would be right across there, so it would be half of that, that brick. The way that brick is designed is the way Sign for Success, our representative, said they would put the facets in there. That’s how it would hold it. Pergl: So it looks like you are obscuring the major portion of that brick detail. Johnson: It will be built right under the brick detail, brick detail right underneath the window there. It wouldn’t obscure the second floor. Pergl: Would that brick framework, you are mounting to the face of that? It looks like . . . Johnson: (talking at same time as Pergl so jumbled ) . . . Well part of the top of the brick ring, the top part of the brick ring you’d be able to see because of the lettering, because of the limitations, so you would see as part of that on the bottom, but this is going to be flush. The way we tried to design them, the way they tried to design the sign as he said, it’s a small sign that would be right in there. The lettering is less than on the caps , about one foot, 12 inches top is the height of the lettering on each side. And that’s why they gave us the signage and asked us to do the signage on each side. Technically for our corporation it’s a small sign . And again, not every, not all of our offices are main street offices that we design and try to have signage like this. Moseley(?): So let me ask the question if I could in terms of dimension. The thirty inches, fifteen and sixteen, so it’s got thirty one inches nominal, that fits inside that brick inset on the building? Or not? Wyler: And that might be a question for you guys. What I think . .. (shuffling) is what you guys are talking about and are asking if it will fit in that actual. . . . . Moseley: I ask the question because I think that’s what you are telling us. Or are trying to tell us that it will fit inside that brick detail, that inset detail. (Wyler and Johnson are talking at the same time in the background.) Johnson: . . . the dimensions we gave you is the exact dimensions of the signs that would fit on the building. Moseley: No, I’m talking about the dimensions of the brick detail, the brick detail on the building. Do you know if the sign would fit exactly inside that brick detail? Johnson: It would be exactly as you see in this picture, so I don’t understand the question. Moseley: Well Berryman: Okay, would it fit inside or how much overlaps the rectangle. Yeah. Johnson: The brackets if you take a look at the brackets , if you look at the brackets in this part of the photo. These brackets here that attach the sign would fit inside that rectangle . So that the sign itself would be flush with the rectangle. It wouldn’t fit inside the rectangle but would be flush with it. Is that, do you understand the answer then? Moseley: No, No what I think I hear you saying is the bull, the height of the bull, will fall outside that brick detail, that inset. Johnson: That’s correct. (All talk at the same time.) Moseley: It will not fit inside the brick inset. The height of the bull will not fit inside that brick inset . Johnson: That is correct. Moseley: Okay. Rapp: And if I’m looking at this correctly, neither will the words, the bottom portion of Merrill Lynch, because if it’s flush, and the brackets are inside the detail, then the bottom part of the Merrill Lynch actually obscures the brick detail all the way across the front. It does have or allow the brick detail at the top to show. Johnson: That is correct. Rapp: Is that correct? Johnson: Yes, ma’am. The bottom of the y, if you take a look again at this sign, you have the brick detail, then you have the solid white brick they come to that bottom. With the logo. Again, the way our design is, it would come to that and come across. My confusion is I was telling you the building is where we would put in the brackets to hold it so the sign would be flush against the building and wouldn’t be stuck out. Rapp: Okay, I have a separate question. (Others were talking behind the microphone.) When I look at the . . . . I saw a rendering on the monument. I can’t find that picture. But you had the Merrill Lynch and the bull logo and that of course was smaller but of course appropriate for the monument sign is that correct Robert? That logos on that monument sign? Berryman: Yes. Rapp: Okay. Why, I understand why it can’t fit inside the green, but where that green frieze is. If we were to give you a, an approval to go outside of that green that is over in that general space, on the first floor in your area, that would overlap the green onto that brick that would make it larger so that you have room on your first floor. Would that not be a compromise ? Berryman: It would not overlap the brick, it would overlap a window. Johnson: We have windows there that we use. Rapp: Yes, it’s not the big window, not the big window down below; it would overlap sort of the transom looking part of the windows. Johnson: Yeah, we have the skylighting design in our office that comes through the way our office is designed on the inside that’s our lobby where this is gonna be over that area in the office. (mumbling and talking in background) Short: Robbie, just for the benefit of the members of the public that are here . Each one of us, when we came in received a not from the absent member, Susan Firth. And since we’ve had a chance to look at it and no one else has had a chance to look at it, I think it’s appropriate, since chances are we are going to consider the comments, rather than be silent comments, I think it would be good for you to read those into the record more or less so at least the members of the public that are hear can hear what the comments of absent person would be. Wyler: Do you want me to read it or do you want to read it because I don’t have a copy in my hand right now? (He was handed a copy.) Short: If you don’t mind. Once again for the sake of the members of the public that have not had a chance to see this. Wyler: Okay. And this is directed towards HARC and is written by commission member Susan Firth who could not attend tonight. For item number 2 and her comment states: “The Design Guidelines allow HARC to consider the building front as part of an overall sign (Chapter 9.1). It also states that ‘a typical strip-commercial development pattern is inappropriate in the Downtown Overlay District’. The complexities of the Tamiro Plaza with its multiple tenants make wall-mounted signs inappropriate. Just imagine the appearance of the Plaza if every tenant placed an illuminated sign on the building! Care and foresight must be taken when developing signage for downtown buildings. Those signage plans must be reviewed with every tenant to ensure complete understanding of what is allowed and what is restricted. The approved Master Sign Plan and downtown Sign Guidelines must be respected by every tenant and building owner to maintain the visual integrity of the historic area. I would encourage the commission to deny the CDC for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan for Tamiro Plaza and the CDC for approval of additional exterior signage for the Tamiro Plaza .” That’s the end of the letter. Short: Thanks Robbie. Do we have any public comment on this? Is anybody signed up for public comment Robbie? Robbie: No, I don’t think so. Frost: No, the two people that signed up are the applicants that have already spoken. Short: Okay. Are there any other questions? Berryman: I would just add that we’ve been at our present location for sixteen years; we’re not a company that moves around a lot. So, the signage issue is very important to Merrill Lynch. And we are very important to the community. We have over a thousand clients, and manage over several hundred million dollars in this community. So, I’ll leave you with that. Short: Thank you Robert. Alright, I think I have a motion. I will move that. . . well let me say this before I make the motion. You know I live in the downtown and I have an office in downtown and I um kind of follow JC in the sense that I don’t find this an unattractive sign. It’s not the same as the signs we’ve approved for the building, but it’s not an unattractive sign. And I think that if some discretion was used in how the sign was placed on the building this would not be a bad sign to add to the building. And so I would move that the Certificate of Design Compliance for these signs be approved with the condition that no other signage be permitted on the first story windows of the space that is occupied by Merrill Lynch. And that’s the entire motion. Pause. Short: Any second? Pause. Does anyone else have a motion? Johnson: I move that the application for Certificate of Design Compliance be denied and that the Master Plan for the building signage be reaffirmed. Moore: I second that. Short: And it was seconded. Is there any discussion? Pause. Let’s call for a vote then. All in favor? And all opposed? Vote was 5 – 1, Short opposed. General discussion among the audience could be heard. Short: Thank you for your presentation. The applicants left the council chambers. 4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Clamp’s Addition Revised, Block A (nw/pt), located at 803 S. College Street. (CDC-2009-028) Wyler presented the staff report. The owner of the property is asking for CDC approval for the demolition of a detached guest house and carport. The 837 square foot, two-story structure may not be original to the 1880’s John Leavell House. A concrete slab and aluminum windows suggest it was constructed post World War II, but an exact date could not be found. The owner and agent state the condition of the structure prevents it from being used residentially . A letter from an engineering company has also been included with the packet that confirms the condition of the slab. The property owner would like to expand the guest house as part of the overall renovation project to allow for additional living space. Due to the condition of the structure, this cannot be accomplished. Based on its location, the structure is considered by the City to be existing non-conforming and Unified Development Code (UDC) Section 14.04 limits what can be done to it. These limitations include restricting the expansion of the structure to no more than 50% of its original size without special approval of the Zoning Board of Adjustment. The applicant proposes demolishing the existing structure to allow for an expansion to the main house that will meet all current City regulations. Staff suggests the Commission refer to the Special Considerations section of this report when making their decision. While the structure complements the historic main house, the applicant would benefit more from the proposed expansion. If the structure is not historic, there is not substantial cause for preservation considering the intentions of the applicant. If the structure is historic, it would be contrary to Guideline 7.13 and approval may not be appropriate. The Commission should also take into consideration the proposed expansion. Although the expansion itself does not require HARC approval, it may be considered in determining if demolition of the subject structure is needed. Short opened the floor for Commissioner questions. He asked whether the building being proposed for demolition was serviceable. Wyler reported that the condition of the building is not dire, but it is not usable in its present condition. Curtis Janis, the agent for the property, stated they originally wanted to repair the building, but the engineer’s report says the building and slab are not structurally sound. Commissioners discussed the proposed size of the addition. Rapp questioned the scale of the addition in regards to the surrounding properties. Wyler stated the commission will not see the building permit application, but has the option placing restrictions on the replacement. Moseley stated he thinks the existing building is disproportionate and the new drawings are projecting a much better scaled building. There was further discussion of the history of the accessory structure . It was determined that the structure was built after 1984 so is not considered historic. Motion by Moore to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for demolition as proposed. Second by Moseley. Short requested Wyler read Commissioner Firth’s comments. Wyler read the comment . Moseley said he appreciated her comments but he did not agree with her recommendation to deny the demolotion and his second still stood. Moore concurred. Vote was called. Approved 6 – 0. 5.Certificate of Design Compliance for faæade modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 2 & 3 (pts), to be known as Green Earth Energy Systems, Inc., located at 109 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-029) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant asks HARC to approve the CDC for modifications to the building’s facade, windows and doors in addition to new signage. He proceeded to itemize all the details on the application and that were included in the packet. Staff recommends approval of this application based on compliance with Guidelines 4.2, 4.3, 4.7, 5.7, 5.9, 6.2, 6.10, 6.12, 6.13, 6.14, 6.20, 6.21, 9.5, 9.6, 9.8, 9.13, 9.14, 9.17, 9.18 and 9.21. Commissioners complimented the package of materials and the project itself stating it would be very good for that side of the square. Tom Norrell, applicant, stated he would like to install a sign bracket that matches the one used on the adjacent building, not using the existing bracket. There were no other questions by the commissioners. Motion by Rapp to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for the package of faæade changes and signage as presented with the proposed pink granite sidewalk being brought back for staff approval and changing the bracket of the hanging sign to match the bracket of the building next door. Second by Pergl. Approved 6-0. 6.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format. Wyler presented the proposed draft agenda that was suggested at a previous meeting. The change includes language to limit applicants addressing the commission a ten minute time limit, unless otherwise agreed to before the meeting begins. Johnson questioned the language and process to be used. He disagreed with the language that states “unless otherwise agreed to before the meeting begins” and asked that the language just be removed. Others agreed. Motion by Moore to approve the agenda type with the proposed changes. Second by Johnson. Approved 6 – 0. 7.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on September 24, 2009. 8.Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 7:17 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 13, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 9, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), to be known as Amante’s Restaurant & Bar, located at 701 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-027) 3.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for August 27, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, August 13, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , August 13, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp Members Absent: Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community Development; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair Will Moore at 4:04 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 9, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 2 (n/pt), to be known as Amante’s Restaurant & Bar, located at 701 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-027) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new hanging sign under the awning, window lettering and a replacement blade sign. The white vinyl lettering will be placed on the windows and the main entrance door. Complete descriptions are given in the written staff report. The hanging sign will be an aluminum sign suspended in a black metal frame and hung perpendicular to the front door, under the awning and ensuring that it is a minimum height of eight feet. The applicant is replacing the existing blade sign with a black blade sign, cut out letters that will be illuminated from within and appear white. The sign will vertically read Amante’s and Restaurant and Bar along the bottom of the sign. Staff recommends approval based on Guidelines 9.6, 9.7, 9.8, 9.13, and 9.14. The applicant/ owner of the building, Judith Manriquez was available for questions and comments, along with Kim J____ owner of Amante’s. Commissioners asked clarifying questions. Pergl was concerned about the location of the blade sign encroaching into the space above the adjacent building. It was explained that the blade actually extends over the sidewalk area and the city has given approval to do that. Rapp was concerned that it would be difficult to hang the sign under the awning above the door and keep it eight feet above the sidewalk. Manriquez assured her it would be. Motion by Rapp to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for signage as presented with no changes or conditions. Second by Pergl. Approved 3- 0. 3.Adjournment Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 4:20 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, July 23, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, July 23, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009 regular meeting. Regular Agenda: 2.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade modifications at City of Georgetown, Block 51, lot 5 (pt), also known as the Firehouse Bays, located at 816 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-023) 3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the relocation of a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 14, Lots 6, 7 (s/pt), located at 305 S. Rock Street. (CDC-2009-025) 4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 14, Lots 7 (n/pt) and 8 (w/pt), located at 214 W. 3 rd Street. (CDC-2009-026) 5.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format. 6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on August 27, 2009. 7.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, July 23, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , July 23, 2009. Members Present: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community Development; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009 regular meeting. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as written. Second by Pergl. Approved 7 – 0. Regular Agenda: 2.Certificate of Design Compliance for facade modifications at City of Georgetown, Block 51, lot 5 (pt), also known as the Firehouse Bays, located at 816 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-023) Firth recused herself from the dais based on a Conflict of Interest and filed the Affidavit with the recording secretary. Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a CDC for the renovation to the exterior of the old fire station bays. The bays, constructed in the 1960’s, are not original to the two-story historic main building, and are currently being used for storage. To better utilize the building and to promote retail along Main Street, the City would like to update both the interior and the exterior to better accommodate a retail-oriented business. The applicant proposes updating the architectural character to better serve and market the building . The brick will be removed and replaced with eight -inch thick coursed Texas Limestone facade. This type of limestone can be seen on other downtown buildings. New wood windows, transoms, and doors will replace three existing bay doors. The fourth door will be converted to wooden carriage-style doors to allow for deliveries. Staff recommends approval of this application based on its compliance with Guidelines 4.1, 5.1, 5.5, 6.3, 6.12, 8.13, 8.14, and 10.2. Bryant Boyd, the project Architect was available for questions from the Commissioners. He explained the rock limestone would be a veneer and not structural. He showed samples to the commissioners of the limestone facade, the mahogany wood doors and the aluminum awnings. He stated the stone would be all one color, not variegated as one of the pictures shown. The awnings will extend approximately eight feet over the sidewalk. He confirmed any sidewalk renovations or additions would come back before HARC for review. Commissioner Johnson questioned whether the doors would be recessed. Boyd says they are already recessed about one and a half feet and he felt anymore recession would be cutting into the interior space. He also explained the pivoting windows in the front that would allow a use like those seen on 6th Street in Austin. Moore questioned the use of real mahogany doors and perhaps using a less expensive and less rare wood. Boyd said the mahogany was requested. Johnson questioned the location of the downspouts and the dumping of rainwater onto the sidewalks and street. Wyler explained this would be reviewed more closely at the Site Plan Review. Rapp questioned the luminosity of the galvanized metal material that is to be used on the awnings and whether they would be too shiny. Boyd said they would be the same as used on the Makemson Steele Building and that those had dulled quickly and were not a problem. Motion by Moseley to approve the Certificate of Design as presented. Second by Moore. Approved 6 – 0. (Firth recused.) Firth was brought back on the dais. 3.Certificate of Design Compliance for the relocation of a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 14, Lots 6, 7 (s/pt), located at 305 S. Rock Street. (CDC-2009-025) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval to relocate a house . Built in the 1970’s, the house is not an historic structure in the 1984 Historic Resources Survey and is in good enough condition to be relocated. According to the applicant, poor exterior conditions and the location of the property are not ideal for a residential property. The non-historic house will be relocated to a property in Leon County. At this time there are no plans for the vacant property. The applicant, Matt Clark, was available for questions or comments. He stated he would like to move the house to Leon County and turn it into a hunting lodge. He also stated his intent in buying it was to keep the other bail bondsmen around the courthouse annex and county jail from purchasing the property for another bond company. He suggested he might build an office building in the future. Motion by Pergl to approve the application as presented. Second by Moseley. Approved 7 – 0. 4.Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 14, Lots 7 (n/pt) and 8 (w/pt), located at 214 W. 3rd Street. (CDC-2009-026) Wyler presented the staff report. This applicant is the same as item number 3 above. The applicant seeks approval to demolish a house. According to the 1984 Historic Resources Survey, the house is listed as a Low-Priority historic structure. The applicant states that is in poor condition , making it difficult to relocate or reuse, and demolition of the structure is best for the property. There are no proposed plans for the property. Staff recommends demolition of the structure based on Guideline 7.13. Moore questioned the zoning district. Wyler stated it is MU-DT which means any new development would have to apply for a CDC through HARC. Matt Clark was questioned about the outbuildings. He stated they are falling down. It is estimated the main structure was built around 1935. The Commissioners discussed the condition of the house. Mr. Clark stated he had not been inside the home but he thought the outside was bad enough. Motion by Johnson to denied the application for demolition because the house was an historic structure and he felt a better attempt should be made to save it. Second by Rapp. More discussion was held by the Commissioners in how to best preserve the house. Short suggested deferring the item until more information could be gathered. The original motion was called and passed 4 – 3. Short, Firth and Moseley opposed. 5.Discussion and possible action on an updated Agenda format. This item was opened by Cook . She explained Chair Short requested an item to discuss the length of time that a person could make a presentation to the Commission. In the past, some presentations have been several minutes long. Cook proposed changing the agendas to indicate the same amount of presentation time that is allowed at other Commissions, i.e. Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council. Motion by Johnson to table this item until the new proposed agenda was given and then the commission could review that format. Second by Short. Approved 7 – 0. 6.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on August 27, 2009. 7.Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:43 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, July 9, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Nomination and appointment of a new Sign Subcommittee Chair 2.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 63 (pt), to be known as The Merlot House office building, located at 1006 S. Rock Street. (CDC-2009-020) 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Pink and Chic Organic Day Spa, located at 308 W. 8 th Street, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-021) 5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Island Music, located at 308 W. 8 th Street, Suite 101. (CDC-2009-022) 6.Discussion and possible action to change the day and time of the Sign Subcommittee meetings. 7.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for July 23, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, July 9, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , July 9, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore; Ron Pergl and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community Development; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair Will Moore at 4:10 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Nomination and appointment of a new Sign Subcommittee Chair. Pergle nominates Moore as chair of the subcommittee. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 25, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. Moore asked for any action regarding the minutes. Motion by Pergl to accept the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 63 (pt), to be known as The Merlot House office building, located at 1006 S. Rock Street. (CDC-2009-020) Wyler presented the application. The applicant seeks approval of a freestanding sign in front of his office building. The sign is within the size restrictions of the UDC . Staff recommends approval of the new sign as supported by Guidelines 9.3, 9.13, 9.17, and 9.18. The Commissioners discussed the proposal . Rapp stated she visited the site and measured where the proposed sign would be located based on the existing pole location. The sign as proposed would obscure the view of the house next door. She feels the sign is too tall. Pergl suggested lowering the sign height to four feet tall. The commissioners discussed what their options were in regards to this application. They did not want to completely deny the sign and force the applicant to come back before the commission. Motion by Pergl to approve the sign as submitted with the stipulation that the height of the sign be decreased from 6 feet to 4 feet above ground level. Second by Rapp. Approved 3 – 0. 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Pink and Chic Organic Day Spa, located at 308 W. 8th Street, Suite 102. (CDC-2009-021) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a new hanging sign to be attached to an existing metal awning on the front of the building. The proposed sign is to be white , silver and pink and to be hung underneath the existing green awning. Staff recommends commissioners consider and discuss other options for the sign location and colors, because the proposed location would not be allowed for lack of an 8 foot minimum clearance. Wyler distributed a drawing of his suggestion of proposed location. The applicant, Mayra Reyes, and tenant of the new Pink and Chic Organic Day Spa attended the meeting and represented not only this application but the following application as well, which is to be installed adjacent to this sign. She said she was amenable to the new proposed location of the sign(s). Rapp proposed putting the signs on the awning, straddling the edge, like the neighboring Red Poppy Cafe sign. Perl suggested if the sign(s) were placed on the building front, lighting could be applied at a later date. There was concern from the commissioners that the signs were actually too small for the front of the building and would be dwarfed. Options were discussed. Colors were discussed and color examples were brought out to show the applicant examples. Motion by Rapp that the applicant would have two options: either the sign(s) could be 5 feet by 2 feet by 1 inch with the condition that these signs straddle the awning and meet the eight foot clearance above the sidewalk; OR the signs can be 8 feet by 3 feet and installed on the front facade of the building, equidistant and proportionate to the building. This motion was also contingent that both signs would be treated the same. And the Pink and Chic sign colors would be presented to staff before approval so that the pink could be toned to match the ruby color on the building and the silver crown color could be outlined in black to make it more prominent. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 49, Lot 1 (w/pt), to be known as Island Music, located at 308 W. 8th Street, Suite 101. (CDC-2009-022) Wyler described this application as a duplicate of the sign above. Ms. Reyes stated she was representing the tenant for this application. There was some discussion regarding the color because two different yellow colors were presented. Wyler stated this was due to color printer differences. Motion by Rapp to repeat the conditions of the approval as stated above and to make the applicant to bring in the color of yellow to be used on the Island Music sign so that the yellow would more closely match the color of the building and staff could approve the exact color to be used. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 6.Discussion and possible action to change the day and time of the Sign Subcommittee meetings. After discussion of possibilities the time and date of these meetings remains the same – the second Thursday of the month at 4:00 p.m. 7.Adjournment Chair Moore adjourned the meeting at 5:06 p.m. The Subcommittee will not forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration as the votes were unanimous. That meeting is scheduled for July 23, 2009. Approved, Will Moore, ChairAttest, Ron Pergl, Commissioner Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, June 25, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine, located at 114 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-016) Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019) Adjournment4. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for June 25, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, June 25, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , June 25, 2009. Members Present: JC Johnson; Will Moore; Ron Pergl Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1. Motion by Moore, second by Pergl to approve the minutes. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine, located at 114 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-016) Wyler presented the staff report of the application. The applicant is seeking approval of new window signage and lighting for an existing flush-mounted wall sign. The applicant would also like to install two black LED mini-flood lights to illuminate an existing flush-mounted wall sign. They will be installed above the canopy and angled towards the sign, preventing visibility of the bulbs from the sidewalk. Guidelines recited that support staff recommendation are Guidelines 9.6 and 9.19. Motion by Moore to approve the large letter “D” portion of the sign and the two new lights as proposed. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019) Wyler presented the staff report of the application. The applicant is seeking approval of new window signage and a hanging sign, both of which have already been installed. The vinyl lettering on the window and the hanging sign have matching corporate colors and fonts. The hanging sign was placed on the existing brackets and sign board of a previous tenant . Guidelines recited that support staff recommendation are Guidelines 9.6, 9.7 and 9.18. Motion by Pergl to approve the signs as proposed and installed. Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0. 4.Adjournment Acting Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:38 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, June 25, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine, located at 114 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-016) 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019) Regular Agenda : 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade and site changes at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe Site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-017) 5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Glasscock Addition, Block 22, Lots 3 & 4, located at 1006 S. Church Street. (CDC-2009-018) 6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J. C. Johnson on the Sign Subcommittee. 7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants. 8.Discussion and update on the revisions to the Design Guidelines. 9.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on July 23, 2009. 10.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, June 25, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , June 25, 2009. Members Present: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Acting Director of Community Development; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 28, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lots 1 & 4, also known as Dia Thai Cuisine, located at 114 E. 7 th Street. (CDC-2009-016) 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 5 & 8, also known as J. P. Aubin Real Estate, located at 800 S. Austin Avenue, Suite D. (CDC-2009-019) Firth requested the minutes be pulled from the consent agenda to make minor changes. Those changes were noted and Firth made the motion to approve the minutes with the designated changes. Second by Short. Approved 7 – 0. The other items were not forwarded from the Sign Subcommittee and therefore no action was taken . Regular Agenda: 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade and site changes at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1 – 8, also known as the Monument Cafe Site, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-017) Wyler introduced the application for the Monument Cafe site. The applicant seeks a CDC to make changes to the 2004 and 2007 approved CDCs for four buildings and the site layout for the entire block. The applicant, Rusty Winkstern, was available and presented the proposed changes. He is requesting a change to the site plan by eliminating the Rock Street office building and converting that building site to parking for a larger market building. Additionally, he wants to reduce the size of the three story office/ retail building at the northwest corner of 6 th Street and Austin Avenue to two stories. He is changing his focus to the development of a larger grocery/ meat market and reducing the amount of office lease space on the property. He is planning on the second story of the office building having a meeting room and access to a “green roof”. He will shift the two entrances of the building and market to fit the new plan. He may ask for a loading dock at a later date. He also stated instead of the original approved exterior, he is proposing an exterior of concrete stucco matching the existing cafe, Tejano brick, limestone accents and the same aluminum windows. He stated the submitted drawings the commission received were not accurate. Commissioners asked clarifying questions and discussed that they would need more specific details to approve this plan. Cook explained that the applicant is concerned about the timing of the approvals. The applicant is asking for HARC’s approval of the revised concept to take to GTEC to revise the existing city agreements in effect that are expiring soon. Winkstern stated he could bring details back to HARC for approval of materials and colors at a later date. Motion by Johnson to approve the concept plan with the number and height of buildings and use of buildings all as proposed and with parking as described by the applicant and ask the applicant to come back with materials and drawings of more details. The motion died for lack of second. Motion by Moore to approve the changes the applicant is requesting with the exception of the materials. Second by Johnson. Commissioners discuss the lack of details and what they would like to see before accepting this motion. Moore withdraws his motion. Motion by Rapp to approve a revised concept of the project to allow the applicant to reduce the height of the larger office /retail building to two stories with a bridge to the market building, increase the size of the market, eliminate the smaller office building and provide more on-site parking, provided the applicant returns to HARC with accurate elevations, engineered site plan and material samples and colors for further discussion and possible approval. Second by Johnson. Approved 7 – 0. 5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Glasscock Addition, Block 22, Lots 3 & 4, located at 1006 S. Church Street. (CDC-2009-018) Wyler presented the application. The owner of the property is asking for CDC approval for the demolition of an historic garage. According to the agent, the existing twenty by forty foot garage was built circa 1914 and encroaches approximately 19 feet onto City right-of-way as shown on the provided conceptual site plan. This places the structure around 29 feet beyond current setback requirements. The west side of the garage sits only five feet from the property line. Based on the location, the garage is considered by the City to be an existing non-conforming structure and per Unified Development Code (UDC) Section 14.04, is limited on what can be done to it. These limitations include not exceeding expansion of the structure by more than 50% of its original size. Should an expansion exceed more than 50% of the structure’s original size, approval from the Zoning Board of Adjustment is required. The applicant proposes demolishing the existing garage to allow for the construction of a new garage and driveway that will meet all current City regulations. Staff recommends denial of the approval of demolition based on Guideline 7.13 that states that a structure should never be demolished as a matter of convenience and Wyler feels that the applicant has other options. Ellen Davis, resident of 405 E. 10 th Street, provided a letter of support for the applicant to demolish the garage. Paul Milnes, of the Tennyson Group and agent for the owner, was present for questions. Firth questioned whether other options had been considered for the garage and driveway. Milnes commented that he was not able to build a new garage to the size and location that his client wanted without tearing down the existing one. He also stated that the existing structure could not be brought up to city building codes. Johnson commented that no one was asking him to bring the older structure up to current codes and suggested asking the city to remove the Keep Right sign that was located where the driveway could potentially be. There was discussion of options the applicant has if they keep the structure. Milnes stated there is significant dry rot on the existing structure and the slab for the structure is actually located inside the building. Cook stated if the current structure is taken down to less than 50% of its current size, thereby losing its non-conforming status, then it will have to be brought up to current standards , including losing the footprint of the building located over the setbacks and into easements. The new structure will have to comply with current regulations. Motion by Short to deny the approval of the CDC and the applicant is to consider alternatives to demolition that come back for possible approval by the commission . Second by Pergl. Moore stated he was concerned that with the denial, the applicant only has to wait 175 days and then get the approval for demolition anyway. He also stated he felt that whatever the applicant puts in will enhance the historic value and property values of the neighborhood. He supports the approval. Firth empathizes with Mr. Parks but states her definition of the purpose of the commission is to maintain historic structures not tear them down. Short summarized that the commission does not want demolition to be the first choice of property owners, but modifications should be considered . The motion was restated. The CDC for demolition was denied 5 – 2. (Moore and Mosely opposed.) 6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J. C. Johnson on the Sign Subcommittee. Short opened the floor for nominations. Rapp volunteered. Motion by Short to approve the resignation of J.C. Johnson and appointment of Dee Rapp to the HARC Sign Subcommittee. Second by Moore. Approved 7 – 0. 7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants. Short opens the floor for discussion. He suggests limiting the time applicants are allowed to make a presentation to the commission of non-action items. The example he gave was the last Concept Plan that came before HARC for comments, no action. Cook explained that the UDC, Section 2.03.010, lists this type of pre-meeting/concept discussion meeting as an additional duty of the Commission. The Commission may still limit the presentation time. Mosely proposed 15 minutes for a presentation. Short suggested 10 minutes. Cook suggested adding this as part of the procedures described at the beginning of each agenda. Motion by Johnson to table this item and direct staff to prepare draft language for an agenda and bring back to the Commission for discussion. Second by Moore. Approved 7 – 0. 8.Discussion and update on the revisions to the Design Guidelines. Cook reported that staff has been working with a consultant, Nore Winter, to amend the Guidelines. The first draft was given to staff last week and staff is reviewing. When those changes have been made by the consultant and the second draft is in, copies will be distributed to the Commission. 9.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on July 23, 2009. 10.Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 7:31 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 28, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown will meet on Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown Members: J.C. Johnson, Jr., Acting Chair; Will Moore; and Ron Pergl Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 14, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at 2. City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-013) Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at 3. City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite # 1410. (CDC-2009-014) Adjournment4. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for May 28, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 28, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , May 28, 2009. Members Present: JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Members Absent: Will Moore Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair, J.C. Johnson 5:30 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 14, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Motion by Pergl to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Johnson. Approved 2 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7 th Street. (CDC-2009-013) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval for a new A-frame sign on the 7 th Street sidewalk in front of the business. Guidelines that support the staff recommendation of approval are 9.11, 9.15 and 9.18. Commissioners raised several concerns: multiple tenants wanting similar signs, size of the sign on the sidewalk, and content of sign when chalkboard sign can be changed. Wyler responded that no other tenants have requested a sign and that this could not be denied based on what might happen . The sidewalk will still have a three foot clearance with the sign in place. And the chalkboard portion of the sign is to only include when an agent is on duty for the entire office. Hopefully that will alleviate the need for several tenants needing signs. Motion by Pergl to approve the application for the A-frame sign as proposed. Second by Johnson. Approved 2 – 0. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite # 1410. (CDC-2009-014) Acting Chair Johnson states this item is being moved to the regular agenda of the full commission since he feels it is a significant application that needs their consideration. 4.Adjournment Acting Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:37 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 28, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown will meet on Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown Members: West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-013) 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite # 1410. (CDC-2009-014) Regular Agenda : 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Morrow Addition, Block E (NW/PT), located at 1237 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-012) 5.Conceptual review and discussion with Bryant Boyd on the proposed facade renovation to the Main Street fire station bays, located at 816 S. Main Street. 6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J.C. Johnson on the Sign Subcommittee. 7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants. 8.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on June 25, 2009. 9.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 28, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission and with possible attendance by the Governing Body of the City of Georgetown of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , May 28, 2009. Members Present: Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Members Absent: West Short, Chair; and Will Moore Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Acting Chair Johnson called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7 th Street. (CDC-2009-013) This item was approved at the Sign Subcommittee. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite # 1410. (CDC-2009-014) Motion by Firth to approve the minutes as written . Second by Rapp. Approved 5 -0. Item number 3 was brought forth from the Subcommittee and discussed as a regular agenda item. Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval for a new projecting sign on the 3 rd story facade of Tamiro Plaza facing Austin Avenue. The applicant has an existing approved A-frame sign and a portion of the existing monument sign. For marketing reasons, the applicant feels a more prominent and permanent sign on the side of the building is appropriate and will add an interesting feature to the building. The signs is to be eight feet high by two feet wide by one foot thick. Staff cited recommending approval based on compliance with guidelines 9.2, 9.8, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18 and 9.20. Acting Chair Johnson opened the floor to the applicant for additional comment. The owner and operator of the Silver and Stone Restaurant, James Ramsey stated he feels he needs the sign to have enough business to stay open. He cited McDonalds and the Monument Restaurant as local examples of signage that works. Commissioners began asking questions. What is the proposed angle of the sign from the building? Wyler responded that it is proposed to be a 90 degree angle. How far will the sign be offset from the building? Ramsey responded that he is trying to make the sign as close to the building as possible and it should be about four inches within line of the existing turret. Rapp questioned the ability of other tenants in the building requesting similar signage. Wyler responded that the other tenants were on the lower floors and that they other street level signs so this should not affect them. Firth questioned why this was not applied for with the original sign plan. Ramsey responded that he had to raise the capital before getting the sign designed and then made, therefore the delay. Firth explained she was still concerned about the placement of the sign and cited Guideline 9.13 that states a sign shouldn’t detract from a building and that this sign throws an asymmetrical element onto a symmetrical building. She suggested perhaps placing the sign below the turret which would still be in line with an existing projection from the building. She also suggested putting the sign horizontally below the third floor balcony. Ramsey stated he had considered a lot of different options and that he would be open to the idea of placing the sign under the turret, but did not think the sign under the balcony would be effective. Firth also suggested better lobby signage if people were having a hard time finding his restaurant as he suggested earlier. There was further debate between having a horizontal sign versus a vertical sign. Motion by Firth to approve a CDC for the same sign as proposed but hung at a 45 degree angle under the turret on the southwest corner of the building. Motion died for lack of second. Motion by Moseley to approve the sign as proposed but to locate it under the turret at the southwest corner of the building and located perpendicular to Austin Avenue, at a 90 degree angle to the building. Second by Pergl. Approved 5 – 0. Regular Agenda: 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Morrow Addition, Block E (NW/PT), located at 1237 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-012) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval to demolish an accessory structure to allow for an addition to the main house. Guidelines that support staff recommendation of approval are 7.11 and 7.13. Chair Johnson asked Mrs. Neal if she had any comments, to which she responded, “I sure would like to tear it down.” There was no further discussion by the commission. Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC for demolition of the garage structure . Second by Moseley. Approved 5 – 0. 5.Conceptual review and discussion with Bryant Boyd on the proposed facade renovation to the Main Street fire station bays, located at 816 S. Main Street. Firth recused herself from the dais and the room for conflict of interest reasons. An affidavit form was placed on file. Wyler introduced Jeff Schross, representing Bryant Boyd Architects, for the discussion of the renovation of the fire station at 817 West Main Street. Mr. Schross began by explaining the scope of the project was to convert the fire bays to a wine production and tasting facility. Their proposal is to remove the existing brick and convert the exterior to limestone. They would also be replacing the garage doors with wooden double doors, with one set still being the rolling style for shipping and receiving truck access. They have discussed extending the sidewalk. Commissioners made comments. Johnson stated he liked the idea of converting the brick to limestone, more consistent with the downtown buildings. He questioned the appearance of the length of the building with the other adjacent buildings and suggested recessed alcove type doors, as soon on other portions of the square, to provide more articulation along this block. Moseley suggested adding a wider stone cap on top of the front rock wall that would also provide a bigger shade line. Rapp suggested perhaps rooftop patio seating to get people off the street level. Signage was discussed and it was suggested a perpendicular sign at the southern edge of the building would work well. Johnson suggested seeking public opinion . There was no more discussion. Mr. Schross thanked the commission for their time and comments. Firth was called back to the dais. 6.Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J.C. Johnson on the Sign Subcommittee. This item was tabled until the other two regular members could be present for discussion. Chair Johnson agreed to continue to serve until a replacement was found. 7.Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants. This item was tabled until the next meeting when Chair Short could be present for discussion. 8.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on June 25, 2009. 9.Adjournment Acting Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 7:00 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 14, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, May 14, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3, also known as Tribal Impressions, located at 108 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2009-010) 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land, located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 106. (CDC-2009-011) 4.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for May 28, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, May 14, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , May 14, 2009. Members Present: J.C. Johnson, Jr., Acting Chair; Will Moore; Ron Pergl Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , J.C. Johnson at 4:02 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. Pergl asked for the correction of his name spelling in the minutes. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes with the correction of Pergl noted. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3, also known as Tribal Impressions, located at 108 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2009-010) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicants seeks approval of new window lettering , a flush mounted sign and an A-frame sign. Wyler recommends approval of the signs since they are consistent with Guidelines 9.2, 9.4, 9.5, 9.11, 9.13, 9.17, and 9.18. Ray Shawley with Affordable Signs was there as the agent and said he had nothing to add. The Commissioners questioned the A-frame sign displaying the open hours. Mr. Shawley said that was a typographical error and that the hours of business would be displayed on the window. The A-frame sign will only be displayed during business hours. Motion by Pergl to approve the Certificate of Compliance for the requested signage. Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 65 (e/pt), also known as Urban Homes and Land , located at 1102 S. Austin Avenue, Suite 106. (CDC-2009-011) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval of a new A -frame sign on the Austin Avenue sidewalk in front of her business. Wyler recommends approval of the sign based on consistency with guidelines 9.11, 9.15 and 9.18. Marcy Urban, the owner was available for was available for questions. Johnson questioned the display times of the sign. Ms. Urban assured the commissioners that the sign would only be on display during business hours and when realtors were “on duty”. Moore reminded Ms. Urban to anchor the sign somehow because of the strong winds that come up Austin Avenue. Motion by Moore to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for the A-frame sign as proposed. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 4.Adjournment Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 4:15 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 23, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, April 23, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Ron Pergl Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 9, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-008) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-008.pdf Adjournment3. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for April 23, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 23, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , April 23, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , J.C. Johnson 5:30 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 9, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 1. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-008) Wyler presented the application. The applicant seeks approval to replace one hanging sign and one projecting sign due to the change in business ownership within the building. The new signs will remain the same size and material as the existing ones and will remain in the same location. The only change will be the verbiage and color of each sign. Pergle questioned the vibrancy of the red on the printed example. The owner, Avis Wukasch was present and responded that the ink in the printer she used was brighter than the sign would be. She said the red would be the same color dark red that is used on all Keller Williams’ signs. Johnson questioned whether the signs would hide the historic gas pumps. Ms. Wukasch stated the pumps would not be hidden as the signs were proposed to go into the existing frames that did not currently hide the pumps. Motion by Pergle to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for signage as presented. Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Adjournment.Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:36 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 23, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, April 23, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 26, 2009 regular meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-008) Regular Agenda: 3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for new awnings at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 2-3(PTS), located at 109 E. 7 th Street. (CDC-2009-005) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/2009/CDC-2009-005.pdf 4. Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on May 28, 2009. 5. Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 23, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , April 23, 2009. Members Present: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 26, 2009 regular meeting. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes with the change noted in Item 4, paragraph 4, the word “insists” be changed to “suggests”. Second by Rapp. Approved 7 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(S/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-008) This item was approved at the Sign Subcommittee meeting. Regular Agenda: 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for new awnings at City of Georgetown, Block 39, Lots 2-3(PTS), located at 109 E. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-005) Wyler presented the staff report. In 2008, the applicant came to Staff and asked to replace three awnings above Zoe’s store front due to wear and tear and possible danger to pedestrians walking below. Because of the immediate danger to pedestrians, the three awnings were allowed to be replaced with staff’s temporary approval and the condition that the applicant apply to HARC for official approval. The applicant is seeking a Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) for three new awnings. The awnings that were installed are the same size and material , but the color changed from a burgundy color to a royal blue. There were not any questions or comments . Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for the new awnings. Second by Pergl. Approved 7 – 0. 4.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on May 28, 2009. Chair Short asked that a discussion item be added to the next agenda to consider limiting the time of discussion of proposed items that do not have an actual application before the commission. That will be added to the next Regular Commission agenda. Johnson requested that someone else consider stepping forward to Chair the Sign Subcommittee. 5. Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 6:09 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 9, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 26, 2009, Sign Subcommittee meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lot 7, located at 1905 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-006) 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2-3, 1 (PT), located at 109-110 W. 7 th Street. (CDC-2009-007) 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1-8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #1410. (CDC-2009-009) 5.Adjournment The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for April 23, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, April 9, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , April 9, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , J.C. Johnson 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1. Motion by Johnson, second by Moore to approve the minutes. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lot 7, located at 1905 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2009-006) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a new monument sign for Covenant Life Church. The sign will have additional business details and a church logo . It will be constructed out of metal and placed in a limestone frame. The same limestone is used for the planters. The colors and size of the sign are consistent with the Guidelines 9.3, 9.15 and 9.17. Staff recommends approval. Pergl clarified the location of the sign on the drawing. Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for a new monument sign as proposed by the applicant. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2-3, 1 (PT), located at 109-110 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2009-007) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval for new vinyl window lettering showing the services provided by the spa. The Guidelines that support staff recommendation are 9.6 and 9.18. Motion by Pergl to approve the CDC for new window lettering as proposed by the applicant. Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0. 4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1-8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite #1410. (CDC-2009-009) Wyler presented the new A-frame sign on the Austin Avenue sidewalk in front of Tamiro Plaza. The wooden sign will be two sided, measure 42 inches by 24 inches. Wyler stated that although the subject property is not in Area 1, the sidewalk where the sign is proposed is designed for heavy foot traffic along Austin Avenue. The A-frame sign is appropriate for the restaurant considering it is located on the top floor of an office building. One of the restaurant owners, Cathy Ramsey, was available for comment. Commissioners asked about the logistics of the signage. She assured them that the sign would be weighted down with two large sandbags located underneath the sign and not visible, and that the sign would be taken into the building every night as a procedure of closing. Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for an A-frame sign as proposed by the applicant with the condition that the sandbags remain hidden inside the sign’s frame. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 5.Adjournment Meeting adjourned by Chair Johnson at 4:36 p.m. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for April 23, 2009. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 26, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300-1 Industrial Ave, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009, regular meeting and March 5, 2009, special meeting. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-003) Regular Agenda : 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51 (W/PT), located at 116 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2009-004) 4.Conceptual review and discussion with the developer of the proposed Contessa infill project, located at the southwest corner of 8th and Rock Street. 5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on April 23, 2009. Workshop Agenda: 6.Training and discussion on using Design Guidelines for project review - Karen McGraw, Karen McGraw Architect. 7.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 26, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , March 26, 2009. Members Present: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Director; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009, regular meeting and March 5, 2009, special meeting. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes with the change noted that Will Moore was elected as Chair of the Commission and that JC Johnson was serving temporarily as chair of the Sign Subcommittee. Second by Johnson. Approved 7 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-003) This item was not forwarded by the Sign Subcommittee . Regular Agenda: 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for exterior modifications and signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51 (W/PT), located at 116 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2009-004) Wyler presented the staff report of the application. The applicant is seeking CDC approval to repaint the exterior trim of the historic building and install new window lettering and a new projecting business sign. Staff recommends approval of the CDC citing compliance with Guidelines 5.1, 5.9, 9.2, 9.6, 9.8, 9.13, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18, and 9.21. The applicant was present and the Commission asked questions for clarification . Moseley pointed out the inconsistency in the report and confirmed that the sign would not be metal. Short questioned the height of the hanging sign stating it must be at least eight feet from the sidewalk. Short also questioned the discoloration of the building and whether that was an indication of a problem with the structure. The owner stated that was actually part of the patina of the rockwork and she thought it was beautiful and that the building is in very good condition. Motion by Moore to approve the CDC for the repainting of the trim and first story facade, replacement window lettering, removal of an existing awning and installation of a new projecting sign facade, as proposed by the applicant. Second by Rapp. Approved 7 – 0. 4.Conceptual review and discussion with the developer of the proposed Contessa infill project, located at the southwest corner of 8th and Rock Street. Martin Brown and Eric Visser handed out a color drawing of their projected project for 8th Street and Rock Street. They are proposing a vertical , mixed use, three story development. They presented this to the previous commission and wanted to get this commission’s ideas before the official submittal of the application. They have changed the style of the brick to blend in more with the public library, they are proposing a smaller elevator shaft and stairwell, and clear guard rails on the roof, all as suggested by the previous commission. Mr. Brown stated they would still be asking for a height variance and also easements for parking lot egress through the city parking lot. They have also discovered that they need an easement to bring power to the building from the screened transformers at the library. The balconies of the second and third floors will hang over the right-of-way and will also need an easement. Johnson discussed his concern over not preserving an historic building. Mr. Visser described the deterioration of the structure. He stated the Historic Society of Austin has reviewed the building and determined that it needs to be demolished. Johnson disagrees and wants the decision in writing from the THC. He gave a bit of history on the building and suggests that Mr. Visser talk to the neighbors and black community to determine that they do not want to save the building. He stated they should be given the opportunity. Firth had the idea that perhaps a plaque could be installed on the new building that describes the original purposed of the building. There was discussion of the parking situation and proposed shared parking . Most of the commission stated they like the proposal and appreciate Mr. Visser’s efforts to revitalize the area. 5.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on April 23, 2009. Short reminded everyone of the next meeting. He suspended the meeting at 7:07 p.m. for a short dinner break. Workshop Agenda: 6. Training and discussion on using Design Guidelines for project review - Karen McGraw, Karen McGraw Architect. Chair Short reconvened the meeting for the training session at 7:24 p.m. and the meeting continued. 7. Adjournment Chair Short adjourned the meeting at 9:07 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 26, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300-1 Industrial Ave, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 12, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2. signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-003) Adjournment3. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 26, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 26, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , March 26, 2009. Members Present: JC Johnson; Will Moore; Ron Pergl Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by Acting Chair, J.C. Johnson 5:30 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 12, 2009 Sign 1. Subcommittee meeting. Motion by Pergle, second by Moore to approve the minutes. Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 14 (NE/PT), located at 1100 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-003) Wyler presented the application summary. Main Street Baptist Church is requesting approval for a new projecting sign for the Main Street Youth Center. The proposed sign will exactly replace an pre-existing sign, changing out the word “Ministry” for “Youth”. Guidelines used to support staff recommendation are 9.2, 9.8 and 9.18. Motion by Moore to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for the replacement signage as proposed. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0, 3.Adjournment Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 5:37 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 12, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2. signage at Lost Addition, Block 64(PT), located at 208 W. 10 th Street. (CDC-2009-001) Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50(PT), located at 212 W. 8 th Street. (CDC-2009-002) The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 26, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 12, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , March 12, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore; JC Johnson; Ron Pergl Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair, J.C. Johnson 4:00 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 22, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Motion by Johnson, second by Moore to approve the minutes . Approved 3 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at Lost Addition, Block 64(PT), located at 208 W. 10th Street. (CDC-2009-001) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval of a new flush-mounted wall sign to be located on the front of the building facing 10th Street. The proposed colors of the plywood constructed sign, green and white, will be identical to the building and a white, raised edge will border the sign. No illumination is proposed at this time. An existing light located above the sign will be used. Motion by Moore to approve the sign CDC as presented in the application. Second by Pergl. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50(PT), located at 212 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2009-002) Wyler presented the application. The applicant seeks approval for a new vinyl sign to be located on the front door to the building facing 8th Street. The exact color and design are provided in the commission packets. Johnson commented that his uncle owned that building at one time and it housed Guarantee Abstract Company. Motion by Pergl to approve the sign CDC as presented in the application. Second by Moore. Approved 3 – 0. Johnson adjourned the meeting at 4:14 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 5, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting will meet on Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex Williamson Conference Room, located at 300-1 Industrial Ave, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting Members: West Short, Chair; Susan Firth, J.C. Johnson, Will Moore, Larry Moseley, Ron Pergl, and Dee Rapp Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a special scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m. 1. Introduction of all members and staff. 2.Consideration and possible action to elect a Vice Chair and Secretary for the 2009-2010 Historic and Architectural Review Commission. 3.Nominate and appoint 3 members to the Sign Subcommittee. The Sign Subcommittee meets the second Thursday of each month at 4:00 p.m. and the fourth Thursday of each month at 5:30 p.m., as needed to approve specific sign applications. 4.. Distribution and explanation of Downtown Master Plan, Design Guidelines, maps, rosters and other reference materials. 5. Consideration and possible action to schedule a training session workshop. 6.Reminder of next meetings: Sign Subcommittee, March 12 and March 26 and regular Commission meeting, March 26, 2009. 7.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, March 5, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Meeting of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , March 5, 2009. Members Present: Will Moore, Susan Firth, Ron Pergl, J.C. Johnson Members Absent: West Short, Larry Moseley, Dee Rapp Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Director and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 5:30 p.m. Will Moore was asked to run the meeting since the appointed Chair was not present. The meeting was opened at 5:34 p.m. 1. Introduction of all members and staff. Each commissioner and staff member introduced themselves. 2.Consideration and possible action to elect a Vice Chair and Secretary for the 2009-2010 Historic and Architectural Review Commission. Moore opened the floor for nominations. Firth nominated Johnson for Vice Chair. No other nominations were made. Affirmed 4 – 0. Firth nominated Moore for Secretary. No other nominations were made. Affirmed 4 – 0. 3.Nominate and appoint 3 members to the Sign Subcommittee. The Sign Subcommittee meets the second Thursday of each month at 4:00 p.m. and the fourth Thursday of each month at 5:30 p.m., as needed to approve specific sign applications. Moore opened the floor for discussion of this. Johnson encourages involvement in the Sign Subcommittee. Pergl, Moore and Johnson volunteer to serve on the Sign Subcommittee. Affirmed 4 – 0. 4.. Distribution and explanation of Downtown Master Plan, Design Guidelines, maps, rosters and other reference materials. Frost explained the order of the contents of the notebooks which held all the materials. Firth asked for a zoning map. 5. Consideration and possible action to schedule a training session workshop. Cook stated Karen McGraw, a consultant that has worked with the HARC and city staff on training on the use of the Design Guidelines is looking at March or April for time to come to Georgetown. Emails will be sent to check everyone else’s schedules for specific dates and times. 6.Reminder of next meetings: Sign Subcommittee, March 12 and March 26 and regular Commission meeting, March 26, 2009. 7.Adjournment Moore adjourned the meeting at 6:17 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, January 22, 2009 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 05:30 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 8, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7(NW/PT), located at 715 S. Main Street. (CDC-2008-047) Adjourn.3. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 22, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Jessica Hamilton, Deputy City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Jessica Hamilton, Deputy City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , January 22, 2009. Members Present: Tommy Gonzalez, J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair, Tommy Gonzalez at 5:39 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 8, 2009 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Knight. Approved 3-0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7(NW/PT), located at 715 S. Main Street. (CDC-2008-047) Wyler presented the application. The winery on the square is moving locations and changing its name and therefore its sign. The sign will be attached above the canopy, centered wit the Main Street entrance. It will be 84 inches wide by 24 inches tall and will read “Georgetown Winery” with two bunches of grapes in each of the upper corners as shown in the rendering. A tan background will be used with burgundy text and trim to help tie in the sign with both the building and the business. Slotted angle irons will be used to attach the sign. At the time of the application, no illumination was proposed. Staff recommends approval of the sign based on compliance with Design Guidelines 9.1, 9.9, 9.13, 9.17, 9.18, and 9.21. Motion by Knight to approve the sign as approved. Second by Johnson. Approved 3 – 0. 3.Adjournment. Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 5:44 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, January 22, 2009 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members: Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West Short Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 06:00 PM Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 regular meeting. 2.Consideration a Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7(NW/PT), located at 715 S. Main Street. (CDC-2008-047) Regular Agenda: 3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade and site changes along with an alternative parking plan at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lots 7&8, located at 1905/1907 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-046) 4.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on February 26, 2009. 5.Adjournment Certificate of Posting I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Sandra Lee, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 22, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , January 22, 2009. Members Present: Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair, J.C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West Short Members Absent: none Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Minutes Regular Meeting Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair O’Donnell opened the meeting at 6:02 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 regular meeting.1. Consideration a Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design 2. Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 7(NW/PT), located at 715 S. Main Street. (CDC-2008-047) Motion by Knight to approve the items of the consent agenda. Second by McCalla. Approved 6 – 0. Chair abstains from voting. Regular Agenda : 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade and site changes along with an alternative parking plan at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lots 7&8, located at 1905/1907 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-046) Wyler presented the staff report. The McFarlin Family owns a non-historic, white metal building located at the south end of Old Town, along Austin Avenue. Recently, two tenants have agreed to lease space inside the building. One tenant, Curves, has since moved in and is now open. The second tenant, Covenant Life Church, requires approval from HARC for an alternative parking plan that will enable the Church to meet its required parking as stated in the Unified Development Code (UDC). As the applicant wants to update the exterior of the building and because this property is a commercial use within Old Town, CDC approval from HARC is required in addition to approval for the alternative parking plan. Finally, the applicant proposes to install additional landscaping in order to meet City requirements as well as beautify the property. Staff recommends approval of the application with the submitted landscape plan and alternative parking plan. Guidelines used to justify the recommendation are 5.9, 7.1, 7.7, 8.10, 8.27, and 10.1. The applicant declined to comment at this time. Gonzalez questioned the continuity of the parking agreement. Kevin Hall, Sr. Pastor of the church stated that the parking agreement is for 9 -1 am on Sunday and 7 – 9 pm on Wednesdays and that it is signed and notarized, and the document gives a 60 day notice of cancellation clause to each party. Wyler explained that the parking agreement is based on usage of the building and that if the usage changes, the parking agreement will dissolve. The agreement is also a condition of the Certificate of Occupancy. If the parking agreement is voided by the owner, the Certificate of Design Compliance and the Certificate of Occupancy would be out of compliance with the code and code enforcement procedures would be put into effect. O’Donnell questioned the maintenance of the landscaping. Wyler stated the maintenance of the planters becomes a code enforcement issue. Moore wanted to know why the Commission was approving landscaping since it is approved by staff. Wyler explained that since it was a proposed condition of the CDC, he was asking the Commission to verify the plan. Motion by Gonzalez to approve the CDC for 1905 S. Austin Avenue as presented in the application, with the landscaping plan and issues to be handled by staff and the parking agreement is to remain in effect for the building to remain in compliance with the CDC. Second by Knight. Approved 6 – 0. 4.Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on February 26, 2009. 5.Adjournment Chair adjourned the meeting at 6:30 p.m. Notice of Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 8, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas. If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members: Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m. unless otherwise specified. Call to Order at 04:00 PM The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 Sign 1. Subcommittee meeting. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 2 (W/PT), located at 116 W. 8 th Street. (CDC-2008-044) For more information on this item, click here: http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/Jan82009/CDC-2008-044.pdf Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3. signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3(PT), located at 112 W. 8 th Street. (CDC-2008-045) For more information on this item, click here: http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/Jan82009/CDC-2008-045.pdf The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 22, 2009. Certificate of Posting I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2009, at __________, and remained so posted for at least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting. __________________________________ Sandra Lee, City Secretary Minutes of the Meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, January 8, 2009 The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , January 8, 2009. Members Present: J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight Members Absent: Tommy Gonzalez Members Present but not participating: Staff Present: V Minutes Regular Meeting The meeting was called to order by acting Chair , Nancy Knight at 4:07 p.m. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following: Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 11, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1. meeting. Motion by Johnson to approve. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0. 2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 2 (W/PT), located at 116 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2008-044) Wyler presented the application stating he used to Guideline 9.6 to recommend this application. No questions or discussion. Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for signage as presented. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0. 3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 3(PT), located at 112 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2008-045) Wyler presented the application. He used Guidelines 9.4, 9.5, 9.6 and 9.7 to give staff recommendation. Johnson questioned whether this was just a color change. The applicant seeks approval from HARC to update three existing signs located on the subject building. There will be no change in size, color, design or location and a picture of the proposed change can be found in attached to the report . Johnson and Knight both question the applicant’s desire to keep the sign the same size when she is allowed a larger sign. The applicant said she didn’t realize she could get a larger sign . Knight said it would look more in scale with the building if the main sign on 8th Street were increased. Motion by Johnson to approve the signs as requested in the application. Knight asked to amend the motion to allow the applicant, in accordance with Guideline 9.5, to increase the size of the main facade sign to the maximum allowable size with staff approval and at the applicant’s request. Johnson agreed to the amendment. Knight seconds the amended motion. Approved 2 – 0. Knight adjourned the meeting at 4:20 p.m. The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 22, 2009.