HomeMy WebLinkAboutHARC_Agenda&Minutes_2008Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 06:00
PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 12, 2008 workshop & November 20,
2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance at City of
Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 1(CTR/PT), located at 820 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-043)
Regular Agenda:
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
changes at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 5-6, located at 1011 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-038)
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for site changes at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot
1(pt), located at 118 West 8th Street. (CDC-2008-042)
5Conceptual Review and discussion with the applicant on the proposed Contessa infill project, located
at the southwest corner of 8th and Rock Street.
6.Comments from the Director and reminder that there is a HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting on
January 8, 2009 and that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on January 22, 2009.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
December 11, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Linda McCalla, and
Will Moore
Members Absent:
West Short
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Director of Planning and Development;
Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner, and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Chair O’Donnell called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 12, 2008 workshop & November 20,
2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance at City of
Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 1(CTR/PT), located at 820 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-043)
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the Consent Agenda Items as presented. Second by McCalla.
Approved 5 -0.
Regular Agenda:
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
changes at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 5-6, located at 1011 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-038)
Wyler presented the staff report of the application. The applicant seeks approval to install a wooden
fence around mechanical units. The current units are on the roof and unscreened, but with the
addition of new dry cleaning equipment in the store, the HVAC units need to be placed on the ground
an must be screened. The proposal is for a six foot wooden fence to be erected around the units to
minimize the visual impact from the street. Wyler provided Guideline 8.22 to give staff
recommendation to this project.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the CDC for screening as presented. Second by Knight.
Approved 5 – 0.
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for site changes at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot
1(pt), located at 118 West 8th Street. (CDC-2008-042)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant is seeking a CDC to make site modifications to the
alley seating to provide better scenery for customers located at the rear of the building. They intend
to create a European courtyard atmosphere that will tie the outdoor seating area in with the Bistro’s
theme. Wyler presented the Guidelines that support the staff recommendation with conditions that
the east mechanical enclosure be redesigned to allow direct egress from the escape ladder, and that
the mechanical door be constructed of another material than metal, perhaps wood which would be
more characteristic of the theme.
Robert May, owner of Down the Alley Bistro showed an example of the mural design. He stated that
his engineer has engineered the back patio to drain correctly so the impervious cover concern has
been addressed. He stated he met with the City’s Urban Forrester, Heather Brewer and they
determined that one tree should be protected and the Bradford Pear tree can be removed. He will
replace it with a 65 gallon oak tree and only mortar the underlying brick to the drip line.
Mr. May discussed the fire escape that was mentioned in Wyler’s staff report. He indicated his intent
was to place the fire escape so that egress will be outside the nine foot mechanical screening wall.
He showed drawings of the murals again and explained how the fire escape would be designed into
the mural to be unobtrusive. Then Mr. May explained the lighting to be used on the metal arches
through the alleyway, leading into the courtyard. Commissioner McCalla suggested using c-9 lighting
instead of mini-light Christmas lights. Mr. May said that was his intent. Commissioner Johnson
questioned the fire escape being placed far enough from the wall to be safe. Wyler stated again he
would ask the Commission to place a condition on the CDC that all improvements must comply with
fire and building safety codes.
Motion by Knight to grant the Certificate of Design Compliance for site changes as
requested with the condition that all city building and fire codes be met. Second by
Gonzalez. Approved 5 -0.
5.Conceptual Review and discussion with the applicant on the proposed Contessa infill project, located
at the southwest corner of 8th and Rock Street.
Wyler introduced Martin Brown, owner of The Brown Group out of Austin. Mr. Martin presented a
proposed multi-story residential/retail infill project at the southwest corner of 8th and Rock Street, to
be called Contessa. Mr. Martin stated they have studied the area and they believe there are housing
and retail/office needs here. This property is not in the Courthouse View Corridor and so the height
restriction is forty feet. There are parking issues and Mr . Brown met with Tom Yantis, Assistant City
Manager to discuss. The proposal is to have some parking onsite with the exit of the parking into the
city parking lot that is shared by the public library. The property needs 26 parking places per code
and they can get 20 onsite and 10 with on street parking. Mr. Yantis was amenable to this and said
they could apply for an easement to exit through the city parking lot ..
Mr. Brown stated that the developer wants to teardown and rebuild the building, not remodel the
current structure that is not a historically significant building. He feels the best use would be
accomplished this way. They are proposing balconies and a rooftop garden . The building is built to
the property lines on 8th and Rock Streets but the balconies project over the right-of-way. He stated
they will need an easement to project over the parking lot.
To have the rooftop garden, an elevator is required which would need an elevator housing that is
over forty feet. Also, the Plexiglas guardrail on the roof is higher than forty feet.
He questioned the commission about the veneer of the building and asked what they would like to
see. Match the library? Stucco and brick?
When questioned about the sidewalk elevation Mr. Brown stated he would like to remove the existing
elevated sidewalks and bring those back down to street level per the city code.
The Commissioners discussed the project with Mr . Brown. Knight indicated she would give up the
extra height for the good design. Johnson stated he has a problem with the height and removing
another historic building. He said this was the old Cash-n-Carry over 50 years ago. Mr. Visser, the
architect, said that this group has done the due diligence on the structure. The building is falling
apart, the metal siding was attached to wood and the wood is rotting, there is no insulation behind
the metal or wood and the building is in bad shape. The building cannot be brought up to current
codes and be safe. They are looking at cleaning up the area between the Square and the library .
Mr. Visser wanted to clarify the height request they will be making, stating it will be between 48 and
50 feet.
Gonzalez wants the applicant to be very clear on the height requests when they come in for
application and supports this project with residential uses in the downtown area and like the
uniqueness of the roof garden, saying it was a good tradeoff for the additional height.
There was further discussion of planning for utility lines, sidewalks, handicap access and streetscapes,
shared parking and street level uses. McCalla stated she likes the project and appreciates them not
trying to mimic historical style and using scale and surrounding to design the building. O’Donnell
thanked the Brown Group for bringing this forward.
6.Comments from the Director and reminder that there is a HARC Sign Subcommittee meeting on
January 8, 2009 and that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on January 22, 2009.
Cook reminded everyone of the next meetings. She responded to Knight’s question of when the draft
Guidelines might be ready for review, possibly late January or early February.
Moore requested that Wyler check on the brightness of Tamiro Plaza’s lighting and open bulbs,
stating it seemed too bright. Wyler said he would look into it.
7.Adjournment
The Meeting was adjourned by Chair O’Donnell at 7:25 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, December
11, 2008 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 13, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at 2.
City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 1(CTR/PT), located at 820 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-043)
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for December 11, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, December 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , December 11, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by Chair , Tommy Gonzalez at 5:31 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the November 13, 2008 Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes as presented. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lot 1(CTR/PT), located at 820 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-043)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant is seeking approval of a new hanging sign to be
attached to the Austin Avenue facade. Ms. Fowler, the applicant, was available for questions.
Motion by Knight to approve the sign as presented in the application. Second by Johnson.
Approved 2 – 0.
Chair Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 5:37 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 20, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Meeting will meet on Thursday,
November 20, 2008 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown,
Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Meeting Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 13, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lots 8(P/T), located at 718 South Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-035)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
at Dalrymple Addition, Block G(N/PT), located at 406 W. University Avenue. (CDC-2008-037)
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for November 20, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 20, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Meeting of the City of
Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , November 20, 2008.
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Minutes
Regular Meeting
This meeting did not occur due to lack of quorum. Agenda items were carried to the regular agenda on
the same night.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 20, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, November 20, 2008 at 06:00
PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 25, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lot 7, located at 1905 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-039)
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Cody Addition Block I, Lot 1 and 2(pt), located at 1201 S. Church Street. (CDC-2008-040)
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance at City of
Georgetown, Block 41, Lots 8(P/T), located at 718 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-035)
5Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
Dalrymple Addition, Block G(N/PT), located at 406 W. University Avenue. (CDC-2008-037)
Regular Agenda:
6. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1-8, located at 501 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-034)
7.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for demolition
at Glasscock Addition, Lots 1 & 2 (E/pt), located at 406 E. 4th Street. (CDC-2008-036)
8.Comments from the Director and reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on
December 11, 2008.
9.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 20, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
November 20, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, West Short
Members Absent:
Nancy Knight, Linda McCalla, and Will Moore
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Chair O’Donnell called the meeting to order at 6:34 p.m. when quorum was achieved.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 30, 2008 regular meeting.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the minutes. Second by Johnson. Approved 4 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance at City of
Georgetown, Block 41, Lots 8(P/T), located at 718 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-035)
This item was moved to the regular agenda for the Commission to vote on as a whole . The Sign
Subcommittee did not meet prior to this meeting.
Wyler gave a summary of the proposed application. The Museum was seeking approval of a new
projecting sign and glass signage for the renamed Williamson Museum . The Commissioners asked
clarifying questions.
Motion by Johnson to approve the signage as presented, with the logo. Second by Gonzalez.
Approved 4 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
Dalrymple Addition, Block G(N/PT), located at 406 W. University Avenue. (CDC-2008-037)
This item was moved to the regular agenda for the Commission to vote on as a whole . The Sign
Subcommittee did not meet prior to this meeting.
Wyler gave a summary of the application. The applicant was seeking approval of a new freestanding
sign to be located at the front of the property facing University Avenue.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance as presented. Second
by Johnson, with a note that this house originally belonged to Miss Annie Purl, after whom a local
elementary school is named. Approved 4 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1-8, located at 501 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-034)
Wyler presented a brief summary of this application. The applicant was seeking approval of a Master
Sign Plan for Tamiro Plaza Phase One. On October 9, 2008, the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission (HARC) Sign Subcommittee agreed to forward this item onto the next regular
Commission meeting to be held on October 30, 2008. The reason was to allow the full Commission
the opportunity to review the Master Sign Plan due to the large scale of the project.
The original Master Sign Plan proposal included a projection sign facing Austin Avenue . On October
15, 2008, Staff was notified by the Agent that the projection sign is no longer part of the application
and requested it be pulled from the application. Also, some details on the monument sign have been
updated since the Subcommittee meeting. Those changes were reflected in this report .
Gordan Baker, the applicant’s agent, was available for questions. He stated that the new limestone
carving on the building was now more subtle than the original application and that the lettering would
be green to match the awnings, not blue as in the diagram presented to the Commission.
Commissioners asked clarifying questions about the lettering on the windows. Wyler reminded the
Commission that they were approving the style, font and size of the signs, not the lettering as the
individual tenants were not listed yet.
Motion by Johnson to approve the Master Sign Plan for Tamiro Plaza as presented. Second
by Gonzalez. Approved 4 – 0.
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for demolition
at Glasscock Addition, Lots 1 & 2 (E/pt), located at 406 East 4th Street. (CDC-2008-036)
Wyler presented the application for demolition. He explained that the applicant does not have a plan
for the future of this lot as required by the Unified Development Code for commercial zoned
structures. It has been the commission’s policy to require a site plan for demolition permits in the
Old Town Overlay District, but it is not required.
Nick Rames, the homeowner across 4th Street stood up and stated that he thinks the house is an
“eyesore” and that it would benefit the neighborhood and community to have it demolished .
Commissioner Gonzalez discussed that fact that a house left to decay should be demolished, or it will
get worse for the neighbors. There was discussion of what is enforceable . Wyler gave examples of
the Dangerous Building Code items that would cause the house to be demolished by law. Some of
those items listed were the roof caving in, or something in the house that would make it inhabitable,
not an unleveled foundation or anything aesthetically unpleasant. There was more discussion among
the commissioners.
Motion by Johnson to approve the demolition as requested. Second by Gonzalez. Short stated
he agrees the house should be replaced but does not agree with the code that requires a specific
type of house. Approved 4 – 0.
6.Comments from the Director and reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on
December 11, 2008.
Reminder of the next meeting by Chair O’Donnell. Chair thanked everyone for their patience with the
delay of the meeting and for coming to the meeting.
7.Adjournment
The Meeting was adjourned by Chair O’Donnell at 7:10 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign-Subcommittee Meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 13, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign-Subcommittee Meeting will meet on Thursday,
November 13, 2008 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd,
Georgetown, Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign-Subcommittee Meeting Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 9, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lot 7, located at 1905 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-039)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
at Cody Addition Block I, Lot 1 and 2(pt), located at 1201 S. Church Street. (CDC-2008-040)
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for November 20, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign-Subcommittee Meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, November 13, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign-Subcommittee Meeting of the City of
Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , November 13, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by Chair , Tommy Gonzalez at 4:01 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the October 9, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Sparks Addition, Block 1, Lot 7, located at 1905 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-039)
Wyler presented the application, citing the Guidelines that supported the staff recommendation of
approval. The applicants is seeking approval of a new flush -mounted wall sign to be located on the
front of the building facing Austin Avenue as well as vinyl lettering on two entrances.
Gonzalez questioned the backlit lighting and the commissioners discussed the possibility of another
sign for the other tenant. Wyler stated no other applications have been submitted. The church,
other tenant, sign will not interfere with the location of this sign.
Motion by Knight to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for 1905 S. Austin Ave.
as submitted. Second by Johnson. Approved 2 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Cody Addition Block I, Lots 1 and 2(pt), located at 1201 S. Church Street. (CDC-2008-040)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant is seeking approval of two new restaurant signs that
will replace the existing hanging sign. He gave a list of the guidelines that supported the staff
recommendation of approval .
Motion by Johnson to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for the signs as
submitted. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
Chair Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 4:22 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Workshop with
Consultant
City of Georgetown, Texas
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Workshop with Consultant will meet on
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300
Industrial Blvd, Georgetown, Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Workshop with Consultant Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
1.Discussion and possible action regarding observations from the downtown area tour held at 2:00
pm on November 12, 2008.
2.Discussion and possible action regarding proposed updates to the Design Guidelines for the
Downtown Overlay District.
3.Discussion and possible action regarding proposed order of process and proposed subject
matters to be discussed at the joint workshop with City Council to be held on November 24, 2008
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Downtown Area Walkabout with
Consultant
City of Georgetown, Texas
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Downtown Area Walkabout with Consultant will meet
on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 at 02:00 PM in the located in front of 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown,
Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Downtown Area Walkabout with Consultant Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 02:00 PM
Notice is hereby given that the Historic and Architectural Review Commission (HARC) will hold a special
meeting on November 12, 2008 consisting of a tour of the downtown Georgetown area, as follows:
1. Tour of Downtown Georgetown - The HARC will meet at the City Council Chambers, 101 E. 7th Street,
Georgetown, Texas, and from there will walk or ride around the downtown Georgetown area in order
to observe the existing buildings, design, facades, architectural features, etc. The area to be toured will
be the area within the Downtown and Old Town Overlay Districts. The purpose of the tour will be
to obtain first hand knowledge of some of the existing design characteristics of the downtown area in
order to prepare for the meeting at 4:00 p.m. (see separate posting)
No final action will be taken at this meeting.
Note that another special meeting of the HARC will follow after the tour. (see separate posting)
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Workshop with
Consultant
City of Georgetown, Texas
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Workshop with Consultant will meet on
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 07:00 PM in the City of Georgetown Library, 402 West 8th Street, Hewlett
Room
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Special Workshop with Consultant Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 07:00 PM
Notice is hereby given that the members of HARC may attend a Public Meeting sponsored by the City of
Georgetown Planning & Development featuring a public presentation on the City of Georgetown's Design
Guidelines for the Downtown Overlay District. The agenda will be as follows:
1.Presentation of the Proposed Updates to the Design Guidelines for the Downtown Overlay District
- Featured Speaker: Nore Winter, Winter & Company.
2.Question and Answer Session.
No final action will be taken at this meeting by HARC.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, October 9, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, October 9,
2008 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 25, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1-8, located at 501 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-034)
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for October 30, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, October 9, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , October 9, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; and J.C. Johnson
Members Absent:
Nancy Knight
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Cathy Sisk, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by Chair , Tommy Gonzalez at 4:01 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 25, 2008 Sign Subcommittee
meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 2-0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lot 1-8 located at 501 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-034)
The staff report was presented by Wyler and approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for the
Master Sign Plan as proposed by the applicant with the consideration of two items. Staff feels it is
best that the businesses not provide contact information and hours of operation on the exterior
windows and that there be no projecting sign on the upper story of the building facing Austin Avenue.
Board read over reports.
Motion by Johnson to take this application to the next full commission meeting on October
30, 2008 at 6:00 p.m. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 2 – 0.
Chair Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 4.16 p.m.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural
Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for October 30, 2008.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 25, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, September 25, 2008 at 06:00
PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 11, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 1, 4 located at 114 East 7th Street.
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-030.pdf
Regular Agenda:
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade and
site updates at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 2-3(E/pt), located at 213 West 9th Street.
(CDC-2008-031) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-031.pdf
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
updates at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 4(PT), located at 708 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-032) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-032.pdf
5.Consideration and possible action to reschedule the October 24, 2008 meeting to October 30, 2008.
6.Comments from the Director.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 25, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
September 25, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Linda McCalla, Will
Moore and West Short
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Director, Planning and Development; Donna
Heimburg, Code Enforcement Officer; Julie McCartney, Chief Code Enforcement Officer; and Karen
Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
The meeting was called to order by Chair O’Donnell at 6:07 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the September 11, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 1, 4 located at 114 East 7th Street. (CDC-2008-030)
Item #2 was moved to the regular agenda for discussion by the Sign Subcommittee.
Knight stated she would like to see more details included in the minutes, specifically on more
controversial items. Motion by Gonzalez to approve the minutes with a note to include more details
in the future minutes and to keep the audio tape as record of the meetings. Second by Short.
Approved 5 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
Item #2 above was presented by Wyler for discussion. He gave the guidelines that were applied as
basis for staff recommendation of approval. O’Donnell questions the light source. Wyler explained
and showed the example in the packet. Moore questioned the size of the sign in comparison to the
size of the building. Wyler stated it was in compliance and the building section used for compliance
was 24 feet. Knight stated she thinks the lighting is not the right type for this sign.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the sign as designed, with the exception of the lighting source
which must be brought back before the sign subcommittee. Second by Johnson. Approved 6 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade and
site updates at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 2-3(E/pt), located at 213 West 9th Street.
(CDC-2008-031)
Chair O’Donnell recused himself from the dais with a conflict of interest affidavit filed. Gonzalez took
over as Chair for this item. Wyler presented the staff report. The Palace Theatre plans to renovate
its building located directly behind the theatre along 9th Street. The building is 50 feet wide by 112
feet deep. Mr. Kostko owns the private alley located around the subject building so no allocations to
the City will be needed for items proposed within that space. The applicant proposes repainting most
of the facade and updating window and door features, along with the 9th Street canopy. The colors
and proposed locations and renovations are included in the packets.
Commissioners discussed the possibility of a mural on the alley side of the building. Kostko
responded that had been looked at, but the metal siding with strips makes that difficult. There was a
discussion about the size of the canopy in the alley. It is designed at only eight inches so it will not
impede truck traffic in the alley. The owner was told he may want to look into a License to Encroach
if a bigger canopy is desired.
Short shared his historical knowledge of this building and the alley. He stated the alley was owned by
John Hoyt, Sr. and that a previous Mayor had requested that Mr. Hoyt deed half of the alley to the
City. Short stated he believes that happened and the city should be involved in the decision about
the encroachment into the alley.
Motion by Short to approve the Certificate for Design Compliance as presented, but subject
to determination of the ownership of the alleyway and if the city owns it a license to encroach is
authorized by the city for the extended awning. Second by Knight. Approved 5 – 0.
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
updates at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 4(PT), located at 708 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-032)
Chair O’ Donnell reseated on the dais. Donna Heimburg, Code Enforcement Officer for the City, gave
a brief history of this property. She introduced Ginger Willette, the tenant applicant and owner of the
Loading Dock. Ms. Willette asked for approval of an existing patio feature located at the rear of the
building facing the alley and proposed making a few minor updates to improve the look of the back of
the building.
The Commission debated the look and style of the balcony . The also discussed the processes that led
to this balcony being non-conforming. They questioned whether a tenant that receives a CDC gets a
new CDC, does that negate the previous CDC. Cook responded yes and that the CDC goes with the
tenant. Julie McCartney, Chief Code Enforcement Officer, spoke to the Commission regarding the
handling of this specific case.
Motion by Moore to approve the CDC based on the application to paint the metal structure, add a
gate to the wooden fence and replace the roof over the second story entrance, with the condition
that materials and design for the roof over the door must come back to HARC before being built.
Second by Gonzalez. Approved 6 – 0.
5.Consideration and possible action to reschedule the October 23, 2008 meeting to October 30, 2008.
The Commission agreed to move the meeting . Knight and Short will be absent on Oct. 30.
6.Comments from the Director.
Cook reported the Commission will be having workshops with Nore Winter and Company to work on
the Design Guidelines, November 11 through 13. One of the workshops will be open to the public.
And one of the meetings will be a night meeting. Specific locations and times will be sent out. There
will not be a regular HARC meeting in November. The regular meeting falls on Thanksgiving, and
Christmas in December, so the rescheduled date for those two combined meetings is December 11.
The City Council will hold a joint workshop with HARC on November 24. More information to come on
that workshop.
There was a question on sidewalks in the downtown area and what is allowed to be displayed on the
sidewalks. McCartney reported that HARC does not have jurisdiction over the sidewalks and displays.
Obstructing a sidewalk is a violation of the Nuisance Code which states three feet of passageway
must be clear for pedestrians. Short asked that sidewalk concerns be considered and addressed
more thoroughly in the Unified Development Code and Design Guidelines.
7.Adjournment
Chair O’Donnell adjourned the meeting at 7:40 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 25, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, September
25, 2008 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 24, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at 2.
City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 1-4 located at 114 East 7th Street, Suite #105.
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-030.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for September 25, 2008 at 6:00.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 25, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , September 25, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Director, Planning and Development; and Karen
Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order by Chair , Tommy Gonzalez at 5:39 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 24, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes. Second by Knight. Approved 3-0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 40, Lot 1-4 located at 114 East 7th Street, Suite #105. (CDC-2008-030)
The staff report was presented by Wyler and the Guidelines listed that support the staff
recommendation of approval. Knight questioned the use of this type of sign in other locations in the
downtown area. Wyler says it has been done before. Knight expresses dislike of the lighting type
proposed.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for the sign as proposed. Motion dies for lack of second.
Motion by Knight to take this application to the next full commission meeting at 6:00 on this
day. Second by Johnson. Approved 2 – 0.
Chair Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 5:49 p.m.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural
Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for September 25, 2008.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 06:00
PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 24, 2008 regular meeting.
Regular Agenda:
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance amendment at
Cody’s Addition, Block 1, Lot 1, located at 1201 Church Street. (CDC-2007-018)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-018.pdf
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
updates at Glasscock Addition, Block 23, Lots 1-8, located at 1105 Church Street. (CDC-2008-010)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-010.pdf
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/Memo_for_1105_Church_Street_Project.pdf
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for site updates
and an alternative parking plan at Lost Addition, Block 66(PT), located at 1102 Rock Street.
(CDC-2008-029) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-029.pdf
5.Conceptual Review and discussion with the applicant on Tamiro Plaza Phase 2, located at 501 S.
Austin Avenue. http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/Memo_for_501_S_Austin_Phase_2.pdf
6.Comments from the Director and reminder of the next meeting on September 25, 2008.
7.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, September 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
September 11, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Nancy McCalla, Will Moore and West Short
Members Absent:
Rick O’Donnell
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director; and Stephanie McNickle,
Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Vice Chair Gonzalez called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 24, 2008 regular meeting
Motion by JC Johnson to approve the minutes. Second by Knight. Approved 5 – 0. (Chair does
not vote unless to break a tie.)
Regular Agenda:
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance amendment at
Cody’s Addition, Block 1, Lot 1, located at 1201 Church Street. (CDC-2007-018)
Staff report by Robbie Wyler. The applicant seeks approval on a Certificate of Design Compliance
amendment for a new awning . On June 26, 2008, the applicant requested HARC approval on a
Certificate of Design Compliance amendment. At the meeting, the Commission asked the applicant to
come back within 60 days with certain items of concern for discussion and possible approval. On July
24, 2008, the applicant came back to the Commission to address all of the concerns that were
presented at the June meeting. The applicant was given approval of the CDC amendment with the
condition that an awning is put up along the Church Street facade of the south section of the
restaurant. The Commission asked that the awning design come back for approval no more than 60
days after the July 24 approval. At this time, the applicant has submitted to staff and the Commission
the design and rendering of the new awning and asks for CDC approval.
The awning will be centered along the south section of the restaurant as depicted in the provided
rendering. The awning will project 4 feet out and will be 4 feet tall with a total span of 23 feet that
will cover the entire opening of the terrace. “Erin Green” by Sunbrella Fabrics will be used for the
awning’s color. A printout of the color has been provided in the application packet and a material
sample will be presented at the HARC meeting.
Guideline 10.1 – An awning compatible in material and construction to the style of the building is
encouraged.
1.) The green that is proposed will both complement the building and fill in the large white facade of
the terrace overhang 1.)The awning will be no wider than the opening to the terrace
A simple, triangular look to the awning will help to transition the building into the adjacent residential
neighborhood. 3.)No internal illumination is proposed for the awning at this time.
Guideline 10.4 – Mount an awning or canopy to accentuate character-defining features. 1.) Spanning
the terrace opening, the awning will act as a decorative feature. 2.) The awning will not block any
architectural detailing to the facade.
Vice Chair Gonzalez invited the applicant to speak. Mr. Tom Nichols, Eleven Thirteen Architects, Inc.
stated he tried several different colors for the awning and felt this is the best color for this project. He
hopes the Commissioners will agree. Motion by Moore to approve of the
Certificate of Design Compliance amendment based on compliance with the applicable Design
Guidelines; Second by Short Approved. (5-0)
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
updates at Glasscock Addition, Block 23, Lots 1-8, located at 1105 Church Street. (CDC-2008-010)
Robbie Wyler read a memo that was included in the Commissioners packet. On April 24, 2008, Lee
McIntosh was given Certificate of Design Compliance (CDC) for the 1105 Church Street property with
a condition that he return to HARC with a sample of the proposed masonry material for the first floor
facade. On July 24, 2008 he presented a material sample to the commission and stated that he will
soon place it onto the facade of the Georgetonian for HARC’s viewing and consideration. Since the
July meeting Mr. McIntosh has informed staff that he will be using one inch cut limestone instead of
the previously proposed material. At this time, a sample of the limestone has been placed on the east
facade of the Georgetonian. Therefore, by the August 28 HARC meeting, each commissioner should
have an opportunity to view the limestone. He is asking that HARC take action on the material at that
meeting, so that he can proceed with the renovation project.
Vice Chair Gonzalez invited the applicant to speak. Mr. Lee McIntosh stated he has been working with
several different designers. However, due to the economic slow down, he decided to go with a lime
stone veneer. A picture of the Lymestone brand veneer was presented to the Commissioners.
Commissioner Knight wished to review the March 27th minutes. After reviewing the minutes from the
March 27th meeting, staff confirmed the design was approved, but the material needed to come back
for approval, once a sample was placed up on the side of the building. Motion by Johnson to
approved the Lymestone brand veneer material as presented. Second by McCalla. Approved. (4-1)
(Knight)
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for site updates
and an alternative parking plan at Lost Addition, Block 66(PT), located at 1102 Rock Street.
(CDC-2008-029) Staff report given by Robbie Wyler. The applicant seeks approval on a Certificate of
Design Compliance amendment for minor on-site modifications and an alternative parking plan to
allow for business use. Mr. Wyler gave a brief history of the property . Mr. Wyler further informed the
Commissioners that the applicant would like to maintain the residential feel of the property and to
allow for residential backyard use, the applicant would like to place all eight spaces off-site. Five
spaces will be constructed along 11th Street and an additional three will be located on the west side of
Rock Street just north of 11th Street. By allowing these eight spaces to be allotted to the Gilmer Office
Building, the applicant can keep most of the backyard for personal use. The parking layout along 11th
Street and the sidewalk have had staff review and are awaiting HARC approval before the applicant
submits the final plans. Secondly, the applicant is seeking approval to move the existing fence,
currently located within the public right of way, to allow for the off-site parking, a new six foot wide
public sidewalk and enclosure of the remaining yard. The new six-foot tall wooden fence would be
reconstructed to enable their children and grand-children to safely play in the back yard as well as to
provide screening. The new fence will be the same design as the existing one . Finally, the applicant
is proposing a small, portable wooden building in the back yard. It will measure 10 feet x 12 feet.
The structure, currently off-site, has the same color and trim as the existing building.
Guideline 7.11 – Seek uses that are compatible with the historic character of the building.
The applicant has stated she wants to keep the front and rear of the building as residential as
possible to allow for family use. By placing the parking along 11th Street, the property can maintain
its residential feel. 2.) No doors or porches will be altered. Guideline 8.1 – Preserve
significant sidewalk features. 1.) The proposal would connect both the 11th and Rock Street public
sidewalks allowing for a continuous walking path. 2.) The new sidewalks will match to those existing .
Guideline 8.2 – When new sidewalks are to be installed, they shall be compatible with the traditional
character of the streetscape. 1.) The new sidewalk along 11th Street will replace the aged one and will
maintain the compatibility of the street with keeping parking to outside of the public sidewalk.
Guideline 8.21 – Maintain the established progression of public-to-private spaces. 1.) By allowing the
off-site parking, the property will have the public parking along 11th street, allowing the private
fenced-in backyard to remain. 2.) A semi-public sidewalk will connect Rock Street to the front door. 3)
All new sidewalks will match to those existing.
Vice Chair Gonzalez invited the applicant to speak. Lynn Haag, Steger Bizzell stated he will be glad to
answer questions.
Motion by McCalla to approve of the Certificate of Design Compliance amendment based on
compliance with the applicable Design Guidelines. Second by Johnson Approved. (3-2) Knight and
Short.
5.Conceptual Review and discussion with the applicant on Tamiro Plaza Phase 2, located a 501 S.
Austin Avenue. Mr. Francisco Choi acknowledged Renee Hanson in the audience and then gave a
power point presentation. Mr. Choi showed how tall his phase one building compared to the County
Courthouse. He stated the heart of this discussion tonight will be, “Is Georgetown ready to go taller ?
“
Mr Choi stated City of Georgetown has a 40 foot limit. Phase one is 51 feet. Phase two could be about
65 feet. He would like to do a larger scale building. Mr. Choi presented at power point presentation.
Commissioner Johnson stated that Mr. Choi has been successful with approvals from HARC and City
Council because he has made monumental building. Mr. Johnson said that he has to make a decision
by deciding if this will be another monumental building for Georgetown. Commissioner McCalla stated
we have the policies in the UDC designed to keep the integrity of downtown Georgetown. She is
concerned with allowing the height of the building to grow and grow. Commissioner Knight stated the
guidelines are in place to keep the integrity, but it seems there are more and more applicants
wanting exceptions and this concerns her.
McCalla left the meeting at 7:25 p.m.
Mr. Gonzalez asked Mr. Choi how many square feet would he need for phase two. Mr. Choi stated
36,500 square feet of the first phase and he would like to double the size of phase two.
6. Comments from the Director. Liz informed the commissioners the next meeting is scheduled for
September 26, 2008. Commissioner Knight asked Ms . Cook to schedule a joint meeting with City
Council. Liz stated we can ask council for a special workshop to be scheduled
7. Adjournment
Chair Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 7:44 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, July 24, 2008 at 06:00 PM in
the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 26, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lot 4, located at 103 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2008-027)
Regular Agenda:
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance amendment for
facade updates at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1-8 located at 501 Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2005-012)
4. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for minor facade
changes at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 4(pt) located at 104 1/2 West 8th Street.
(CDC-2008-026)
5. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
approval at Glasscock Addition, Block 23, Lots 1-8, located at 1105 Church Street. (CDC-2008-010)
6. Consideration and possible action on a request for approval for a Certificate of Design Compliance
amendment including signage at Cody’s Addition, Block 1, Lot 1, located at 1201 Church Street.
(CDC-2007-018)
8. Update from staff on modifying CDC application procedures.
9. Comments from the Director and reminder of the next meeting on August 28, 2008.
10. Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
July 24, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Will Moore and West
Short
Members Absent:
Linda McCalla
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Chair O’Donnell called the meeting to order at 6:04 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 26, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lot 4, located at 103 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2008-027)
Item #2 was moved to the regular agenda at the request of the Sign Subcommittee.
Motion by Knight to approve the minutes. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 5 – 0. (Chair does not vote
unless to break a tie.)
Regular Agenda:
Item #2 above was opened for discussion. Wyler explained the application for a sign to be located
on the Convention and Visitor’s Bureau door. The sign was proposed as blue with white lettering .
Knight explained her disapproval of the blue which matches the blue letting on the highway but not
the blue of the Visitor’s Center sign, which this sign is directing visitors to. There was a discussion of
complementing blue colors and matching blues to existing signs.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the sign CDC as submitted. Second by Johnson. Approved 4 – 2.
(Knight and O’Donnell opposed.)
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance amendment for
facade updates at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1-8 located at 501 Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2005-012)
Wyler presented the staff report. This application meets the guidelines 8.1, 8.2 and 8.4. This is an
application to change the original approved facade and site layout for Phase 1 of Tamiro Plaza. The
sidewalks and doors must be rearranged to provide handicap access ramps and the design of the
handrail for the ramp is as simplistic as possible to reduce the visibility. Staff recommends approval
or the redesign.
The Commissioners questioned the applicants on why the most visible corner was chosen and what
jurisdiction the HARC had in city sidewalks. Mr. Choi, the applicant and owner, explained that two
doors of the building had to have handicap access according to the fire code and he had worked with
the city street department to design the best possible situation. He also said the elevation of the
southeast side of the building made, with the door included would cause them to lose 2 – 3 parking
spaces.
There was more discussion about alternative locations . Commissioners expressed their concerns
about taking away part of the sidewalk on a prominent corner of the block. Mr. Choi assured them
he was doing everything possible to reduce the appearance of the sidewalk ramps. Elizabeth Cook
stated that if necessary, an easement into the sidewalk could be granted to allow the encroachment
into the right-of-way.
Motion by Knight to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance amendment based on the
applicable Design Guidelines for 501 Austin Avenue. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 4 -1. (Short
opposed.)
4. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for minor
facade changes at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 4(pt) located at 104 1/2 West 8th Street.
(CDC-2008-026)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant seeks approval for minor facade changes facing 8th
Street as a result of weather damage and ensuing modifications. The applicant is the roofing
company that has been hired to replace scuppers and collectors on the roof.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the application as submitted. Second by Moore. Approved 5 – 0.
5. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
approval at Glasscock Addition, Block 23, Lots 1-8, located at 1105 Church Street. (CDC-2008-010)
Wyler presented the application and showed a material sample. Mr. McIntosh, the owner and
applicant, stated the window samples are applied to some of the south side windows. the limestone
material will be placed on the east side. The limestone material presented is actually an EFIS
material with the color match of native Florence limestone. He said he would email the Commission
when the material is up so they can look at it.
Chair O’Donnell stated he thought it was to look like cut stone. Short questioned the durability.
McIntosh stated that other than repairing any damage from hail or storms, the product was
guaranteed for 25 years with a recoating every 10 years.
Chair O’Donnell thanked Mr. McIntosh for coming.
6. Consideration and possible action on a request for approval for a Certificate of Design Compliance
amendment including signage at Cody’s Addition, Block 1, Lot 1, located at 1201 Church Street.
(CDC-2007-018)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant is seeking approval on a CDC amendment for facade
and site changes, including signage. The Commission asked the applicant to come back within 60
days of the last meeting to discuss paint samples, and updated site and elevation plan and materials
to be used for lighting and planters. The applicant provided all materials and drawings .
The paint samples indicated a darker beige color on the south end of the building , with lighter color
on the middle and north end to reduce the impact. The updated site plan included parking,
landscaping and fencing as requested. The updated elevation included lighting sconces , fences with
evergreen vines and planters. The requested sign is to be located above the windows and hung from
the soffit centered on the north section of the structure. No lighting is being proposed for the sign.
Wyler read the Guidelines that were applicable in the staff recommendation. Those were guidelines
8.3, 8.13, 9.4, and 9.5.
Chair O’Donnell questioned Tom Nichols, applicant and architect, about the color choices for the
building. Nichols stated he preferred a one color building. O’Donnell agreed he prefers the simplicity
and look of one color. The Commissioners discussed different options to change the impact of the
larger building on the south end.
There was also discussion on lighting the sign. The applicant chooses not to do any signage lighting
at this time. The screening material on the rooftop was discussed and Nichols explained it would be
C-channel type metal and painted the same color as the rest of the building. The awning material
was discussed and it was decided that since there was not a sample, this item must come back to the
Commission before being installed.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve a CDC for 1201 Church Street with the following specifications: 1. The
awning on the building is approved as a concept with the condition that the materials, color and
renderings and drawings must be brought in for final approval. 2. Sconces are approved with
compliance with code specifications. 3. The building be painted a single color. 4. The sign is
approved as presented. 5. The fence will start at six feet and drop to 4 feet in the front sideyard as
per the site plan. 6. Planters on the south side of the building will be placed more toward the front of
the building and of a smaller scale and the planters on the north side of the building will not be in a
straight line and will be a smaller scale than indicated on the drawing. Second by Moore. Short
amends to allow the owner to arrange the cluster of planters on the north side of the building.
Gonzalez accepts the amendment. Gonzalez amends his original motion to include that the awning
must be in place within 60 days of approval of the awning CDC. Second by Moore. Approved 4 – 0 –
1 (Knight abstained.)
7. Update from staff on modifying CDC application procedures.
Cook distributed the new forms and checklists that are being modified. The contractors and
applicants will be required to sign them in the future. Commissioners stated they like requiring the
applicant to provide more material samples but questioned the enforcement of the new rules. Cook
says staff is prepared to be stricter with the enforcement of submittal materials.
There was discussion regarding the lack of inspections being done on HARC projects . It seems the
lack of site plans in the downtown district means less enforcement because inspections are not being
called in. There is a coordinated effort being put in place between Building Inspections and Planning
to review all site plans against HARC approvals and building code regulations. Wyler is currently
doing more on-site inspections of all downtown projects to helpfully stop projects in a timely manner
that are out of compliance.
Commissioners asked the upcoming UDC amendments include sidewalk guidelines for improved
pedestrian flow. Commissioners also requested a statement on the applications that the property
owner is ultimately responsible for all work on the property and it is their obligation to inspect the
contractor’s work on a regular basis. They also requested that the checklist include a beyond a
written description, a sample board, using the word “shall” instead of “may” for all requirements.
8. Comments from the Director and reminder of the next meeting on August 28, 2008.
Cook advised she will send out an email regarding upcoming training sessions as soon as she receives
dates from the consultant.
9. Adjournment
Chair O’Donnell adjourned the meeting at 9:02 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, July 24,
2008 at 05:30 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 12, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at 2.
Morrow Addition, Block O, located at 1205 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-019)
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 42, Lots 3&4(PTS), located at 708 Rock Street. (CDC-2008-025)
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for June 26, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, July 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , July 24, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 26, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lot 4, located at 103 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2008-027)
Wyler presented the application for the Visitor’s Center. Staff recommends approval of the CDC with
compliance with Guidelines 9.1 and 9.5. Knight stated she wants the proposed blue of the sign to
match the blue of the current Visitor’s Center sign on the Square.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC as presented. No second was forthcoming.
Motion by Knight to forward this item to the full Commission. Second by Johnson. Motion carried at
2 – 0.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for July 24, 2008.
Chair Gonzalez adjourned the meeting at 5:45 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 at 06:00 PM in the
Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; and
West Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Notice is hereby given that members of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission may attend
the regularly posted meeting of the City Council on the date listed above. One or more of the
Commissioners may speak on the following items that are being heard by Council:
Public Hearing and possible action on a Special Use Permit for office use in a residential
structure for Montgomery Addition, Block 1, Lots 10-11 located at 1903 South Austin Avenue.
Public Hearing to Consider an Appeal of a decision of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission regarding the denial of a Certificate of Design Compliance for 1903 South Austin
Avenue.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Tuesday ,
July 8, 2008.
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Minutes of this agenda are recorded through the City Council Minutes of same date. Attendance was not
taken of HARC members in attendance.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 26, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 06:00 PM in
the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
West Short, Chair; Will Moore; J.C. Johnson; Susan Firth; Dee Rapp; Ron Pergl; Larry Moseley
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 22, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
Morrow Addition, Block O, located at 1205 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-019)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-019.pdf
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 42, Lots 3&4(PTS), located at 708 Rock Street. (CDC-2008-025)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-025.pdf
Regular Agenda:
4. Conceptual Review and discussion with the applicant on proposed exterior renovations to City of
Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 2&3(E/PTS), located at 213/215 West 9th Street.
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/PalaceTheatre.pdf
5. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage to
Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 3&4, 7&8, located at 1005 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-024)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-024.pdf
6. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance. Amendment for
facade changes to Lost Addition, Block 13, Lot 2, located at 1008 South Main Street. (CDC-2008-014)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-014.pdf
7. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance Amendment for
facade changes to Cody’s Addition, Block 1, Lots 1, located at 1201 Church Street. (CDC-2007-018)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-018.pdf
8. Possible discussion on the Downtown alternative parking agreement map as requested by
Commmissioner at the May 22, 2008 HARC meeting.
9. Comments from the Director and reminder of the next meeting on July 24, 2008.
10.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 26, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
June 26, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Will Moore and West
Short
Members Absent:
Linda McCalla
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director; Dave Hall, Building Official;
and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Chair O’Donnell called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 22, 2008 regular meeting.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
Morrow Addition, Block O, located at 1205 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-019)
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
City of Georgetown, Block 42, Lots 3&4(PTS), located at 708 Rock Street. (CDC-2008-025)
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the consent agenda items. Second by Moore. Approved 5 – 0. (Short
not present at this time.)
Regular Agenda:
Chair O’Donnell excused himself from the dais for the following item claiming a conflict of interest. This
affidavit is on file with the Recording Secretary. Gonzalez took over as Presiding Chair.
4. Conceptual Review and discussion with the applicant on proposed exterior renovations to City of
Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 2&3(E/PTS), located at 213/215 West 9th Street.
Wyler introduced Mr. Kostka, who represented the Palace Theatre. Mr. Kostka explained that the
Palace Theatre had purchased the building behind the theatre and was renovating it. He presented
the current ideas and was soliciting comments from the Commission before moving forward. The
Commissioners asked questions. Provided comments that they liked the concept, suggested an
awning over the future front door on 9th Street, leave as many windows as possible and consider
painting a mural or something on the east side of the building facing the alley. Mr. Kostka thanked
the Commission and said he would return at a later date.
Mr. O’Donnell returned to the dais and took over as Chair.
5. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage to
Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 3&4, 7&8, located at 1005 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-024)
Wyler presented the staff report. This application was originally taken to the Sign Subcommittee ,
who made suggestions and deferred to the main Commission. The applicant made changes to the
awning sign as suggested and was seeking approval. Mr. Kidd was present to discuss any further
changes and answer questions. He stated the existing awning would remain underneath the new
awning but the signage behind the original awning would be removed.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the CDC for the awning as updated and resubmitted. Second by
Johnson. Approved 5 – 0.
6. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
Amendment for facade changes to Lost Addition, Block 13, Lot 2, located at 1008 South Main Street.
(CDC-2008-014)
Wyler presented the application. This was an amendment request for an existing CDC of a building
remodel. The applicant was proposing shorter windows on the south side elevation for restroom and
break room privacy and convenience. And the removal of one window on the north elevation of the
building for interior wall placement. The applicant was not present and the Commissioners discussed
the changes.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the CDC facade changes as requested. Second by Short. Approved 5
– 0.
7. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance Amendment for
facade changes to Cody’s Addition, Block 1, Lots 1, located at 1201 Church Street. (CDC-2007-018)
Wyler presented the background and the applicant’s proposal. On July 26, 2007, the applicant came
to the Historic and Architectural Review Commission (HARC) with an application to modify the roof
design of an existing structure as part of an overall project to allow for a future restaurant tenant
(CDC-2007-018). After working with the commission on a few design concepts, a final approval was
given at the August 30, 2007 meeting. Approval was based upon the idea that the footprint of the
structure would not be changed and that the elevation would match that of the rendering provided at
the final meeting. The approved design has been provided as Exhibit A.
On June, 5, 2008, staff met with the architects and contractor on the project to discuss concerns
being expressed on the design of the building now under construction, especially the south end. At
the meeting, it was concluded that the design of the south end of the building was not in compliance
with the August 2007 HARC approval or the building permit. Subsequently, the applicant and agent
have proposed an amendment to CDC-2007-018 for HARC’s consideration. The amendment consisted
of roof elevation changes in both height and width.
The applicant’s agent , Karalei Nunn with 1113 Architects was present for comments. She stated that
they wanted to comply and develop a compromise at this point. She also stated that they did not
recognize the comments on the building permit, to be in compliance with HARC-issued CDC as well as
other technical comments, as direction to change the plans . She suggested that at this point all they
could do was to provide a substantial landscape buffer, for example bamboo.
Commissioners discussed the need to improve the process to include a closer review of the building
plans to match the approved CDC. Wyler explained that in this case a site plan was not required
because there was not a change in use or a change in the building footprint. He state the Building
Department and Planning Department are now working closer to insure building plans are being
reviewed against site plans and approved CDC. There is a movement toward requiring a site plan
and more detailed drawings for complete renovation CDC applications.
Sam Mason, of 1205 Church Street, the adjacent property owner was present. He stated he likes the
building even though he realized the south portion of the building “grew”. He stated he wasn’t able
to make a quick decision about the barrier landscape wall or fence that was being proposed. Nunn
suggested postponing the barrier decision with Mr. Mason until more information had been gathered.
Mr. Mason also spoke to the parking issue, recognizing that there will not be enough parking for the
restaurant. Nunn stated the owner recognizes this also, but nothing can be done. Wyler stated no
offsite parking agreement(s) were required because there was not a change in use.
Sammy Evans, the General Contractor spoke to the issue. He stated the footprint of the building did
not change and the walls were put back in the original location. The elevation is different than the
original presented and approved version because the original could not be built. The slope was not
drawn correctly on the approved drawings. He said they had to screen the mechanical equipment in
two places instead of the one on the roof as originally shown.
Short expressed he wanted ideas submitted for de-emphasizing scale and mass. Nunn agreed the
originally proposed planters would come back and she would develop a plan to help level the scale,
including paint colors or materials. Commissioners discussed issues and frustrations that the process
did not stop the changes sooner. There was also more discussion on parking problems for this site .
Motion by Gonzalez to grant the CDC amendment for facade changes located at 1201 Church Street,
with future approval needed for the barrier between the building and the house next door and a plan
for deemphasizing the mass and scale must be submitted back to the Commission and on a
Commission agenda within 60 days. Second by Moore. Approved 5 – 0.
8. Possible discussion on the Downtown alternative parking agreement map as requested by Nancy
Knight at the May 22, 2008 HARC meeting.
Commissioners reviewed the map and expressed concerns about future parking and lack of spaces
and requirements that don’t mandate a larger number of spaces for businesses. Cook explained the
Downtown Overlay has different requirements than the rest of the city. They also have less parking
available to them. And a property that is an existing business is not required to have more parking if
that use does not change. This is a property rights issue not a HARC issue .
Commissioners all expressed knowledge of a problem and concern that there are not regulations to
address the problem. Cook expressed that the City is attempting to address these issues by possibly
putting in a parking garage on the west side of downtown. Discussions are being held.
9. Comments from the Director and reminder of the next meeting on July 24, 2008.
O’Donnell reminded everyone that a training session for the Commission was still being planned.
Cook will email possible dates for confirmation in the near future.
O’Donnell requested the city address the problem of the lack of checks and balances in the building
permitting system, between the HARC approval, the issuance of a building permit, and the actual
construction of the building. He suggested tougher applications, requiring more information for more
informed decisions to be made. Dave Hall spoke to this and stated that one improvement was that
Wyler is now reviewing construction plans in the Downtown Overlay District against the HARC
approvals. Wyler is also performing weekly site inspections on the larger projects.
Commissioners requested that staff employ more of a police type effort and place stop work orders
on jobs if warranted. They also requested that staff come back with recommendations and a punitive
type statement that can be placed on HARC CDC’s and building permits. They also requested that
exterior elevation inspections be added to the job card and be required for each renovation and
building site. O’Donnell requested that a statement be incorporated in the CDC approval that if any
changes are made to the original submittal, for fire services, public safety or utility connections, then
the CDC must be amended through the HARC process. All verbally agreed.
10.Adjournment
Motion by Knight to adjourn. Second by Short. Meeting adjourned at 8:16 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcomittee meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 26, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcomittee meeting will meet on Thursday,
June 26, 2008 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcomittee meeting Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 12, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at Morrow Addition, Block O, located at 1205 South Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-019) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-019.pdf
3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 42, Lots 3&4(PTS), located at 708 Rock Street.
(CDC-2008-025) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-025.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for June 26,
2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcomittee meeting
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 26, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcomittee meeting of the City of Georgetown,
Texas, met on Thursday , June 26, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; and J.C. Johnson
Members Absent:
Nancy Knight
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 5:36 p.m. by Chair Gonzalez.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the June 12, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at
Morrow Addition, Block O, located at 1205 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-019)
Wyler presented a review of the proposed exterior renovations and new sign. The applicant was
asked to return to HARC with the sign design at the request of the subcommittee. Changes were
made to address the comments made at the May meeting. The proposed sign will have colors that
compliment the colors of the building, light gray with dark blue lettering. The guidelines that applied
to this application were listed as 9.2, 9.3 and 9.15.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for the proposed sign. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 2 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 42, Lots 3&4(PTS), located at 708 Rock Street. (CDC-2008-025)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is proposing to place reflective lettering signage on
the front window of the business. Johnson and Gonzalez discussed the reflective properties of the
lettering and indicated they had concerns regarding being too reflective and therefore hard to read
and ineffective.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC for signage. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 2 – 0.
Meeting adjourned by Chair Gonzalez at 5:44 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 12, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, June 12,
2008 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair, J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 8, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 3&4, 7&8, .6611 acres, located at 1005 South Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-024)
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for June 26, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, June 12, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , June 12, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 4:02 p.m. by Chair Gonzalez.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the May 8, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Motion by Knight to approve the minutes. Second by Johnson. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 3&4, 7&8, .6611 acres, located at 1005 South Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-024)
Chair Gonzalez opened this item for discussion. There was a discussion regarding there being too
many colors on the proposed awning sign. The rule is three colors with white and black . Knight did
not like the style of the lettering or the children images on the sign. She suggested making the
letters more “blocky” and to remove the children graphics. There was also a discussion of whether
the existing awning would remain and whether the color of the proposed awning would match those
of adjacent businesses. The Subcommittee stated they wanted more information .
Motion by Knight to postpone action on this application until the full Commission meeting of June 26
and for staff to share the comments and concerns with the applicant. Second by Johnson. Approved
2 – 0.
Meeting adjourned by Chair Gonzalez at 4:17 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 22, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, May 22, 2008 at 06:00 PM in
the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 24, 2008 regular meeting.
Regular Agenda:
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
updates at Lost Addition, Block 14, 0.165 acres, located at 1100 South Main Street. (CDC-2008-018)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-018.pdf and
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-018B.pdf
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
and facade updates at Morrow Addition, Block O, located at 1205 South Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-019) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-019.pdf
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for awnings
at City of Georgetown Block 39, Lots 1-4 (PTS), located at 107 East 7th Street. (CDC-2008-021)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-021.pdf
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new
door and sidewalk railing at City of Georgetown Block 40, Lots 1 and 4 (PTS), located at 114 East 7th
Street. (CDC-2008-022) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-022.pdf
6.Discussion of offsite parking agreements for the Downtown Overlay District.
7.Consideration and possible action regarding a response to the appeal to the City Council of the
HARC's April 24, 2008 decision pertaining to the Certificate of Design Compliance for 1903 South
Austin Avenue (Montgomery Addition, Block 1, Lots 10 and 11)
8.Comments from the Director and reminder of the next meeting on June 26, 2008.
Executive Session
In compliance with the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551, Government Code, Vernon's Texas Codes,
Annotated, the items listed below will be discussed in closed session and are subject to action in the
regular session that follows.
9.Consultation with attorney – Tex. Gov’t Code § 551.071 - Advice from attorney about pending or
contemplated litigation and other matters on which the attorney has a duty to advise the
Commission, including agenda items.
Regular Session
10.Action from Executive Session
11.Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 22, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
May 22, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Linda McCalla, West
Short and Will Moore
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director; Trish Carls, City Attorney;
and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m.
The meeting was called to order at 6:05 p.m. by Chair O’Donnell.
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
1.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 24, 2008 regular meeting.
Moore noted on page 4, paragraph 2 of the minutes that a statement needed to be reworded and
corrected. In regards to a Special Use Permit, the question was raised whether a Permit could be
issued without a Certificate of Design Compliance. Minutes stated that Wyler confirmed this. It
should state that a Special Use Permit and a Certificate of Design Compliance can be issued
independently of each other, but the applicant must receive both to move forward with the proposed
use. Wyler confirmed that. Motion by Gonzalez to approve the minutes of the April 24, 2008 meeting
with the amendments as stated. Second by McCalla. Approved 5 – 0 with 1 abstention. West Short
abstained due to not being at the April 24th meeting.
Regular Agenda:
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
updates at Lost Addition , Block 14, 0.165 acres, located at 1100 South Main Street. (CDC-2008-018)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is proposing an update to the Main Street Baptist
Church Youth Center facade by changing the retail look of the structure and taking down existing
awnings. The new look will be similar to that of the Ministry Center located on 10th Street. Wyler
read the Guidelines that were applied to this application.
Commissioners asked questions for clarification of the details. Jim Cummins of Steger & Bizzell spoke
for the applicant. He spoke to the exterior materials, stating they were trying to make it look like the
Ministry Center building across the street and using stucco instead of glass, and painting over the
brick or adding stucco material over it where necessary. David Voelter also represented the applicant
and explained that the brick would be resurfaced, not replaced, to match the stucco. Knight asked
about the delineation of the brick showing through. Voelter said that even with the stucco material
put over the bricks, the delineation will still show through.
McCalla stated she felt that leaving some of the glazing on the south side would be better. Cummins
said the doors to the building would be on both the east and the south side.
Motion by Johnson to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for 1100 South Main Street based
on compliance with the applicable Design Guidelines. Second by Moore.
Knight moves to amend the original motion to indicate that if the color or texture changes from
looking like brick, the item must come back to the Commission for additional review. Second by
Moore. Approved 6 – 0.
Original motion voted on, approved 6 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
and facade updates at Morrow Addition, Block O, located at 1205 South Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-019)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking a CDC to update the gutters on the
structure, add an ADA compliant ramp to the rear of the structure and to install a pole sign to the
front yard. He read the Guidelines that were used to review this property.
Questions were raised by the Commissioners. Knight asked about the signage type that was
requested versus putting the sign on the structure as in other applications. Wyler explained that it
was based on different zoning classifications allowing different types of signs. There was discussion
about the materials and colors of the sign. The Commission was in agreement that the requested
shiny gold seems out of character with the area.
Motion by Knight to approve the facade updates as requested with the condition that the sign CDC
application comes back to the Sign Subcommittee for further review and discussion. Second by
McCalla. Approved 6 – 0. Moore commented that the applicant went to great lengths to maintain
the residential character of the structure. He suggests eliminating pole signs in the downtown
overlay district. Short suggests telling the applicant to change the font size and type and to make
the sign more legible.
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for awnings
at City of Georgetown Block 39, Lots 1-4 (PTS), located at 107 East 7th Street. (CDC-2008-021)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking a CDC to add two small awnings to the
building’s 7th Street facade. Wyler read the Guidelines that were applied.
The Commission questioned the location of the awnings in comparison to the neighboring awnings .
They discussed options. The Commission as a whole stepped outside the Council Chambers to look
at this building and the adjacent buildings. Then the Commission stepped back on the dais .
Motion by McCalla to approve the CDC for two awnings at the front of the 7th Street facade with the
stipulation that the awnings be made using the striped material as shown and that they be made to
match the form and detail of the adjacent buildings . Second by Short. Approved 6 – 0.
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for a new
door and sidewalk railing at City of Georgetown Block 40, Lots 1 and 4 (PTS), located at 114 East 7th
Street. (CDC-2008-022)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking a CDC to add an additional door to the 7th
Street facade of the building for future tenant use and to add removable iron railings at the edge of
the sidewalk in front of the businesses. Staff recommends denial of both the door and the railing.
The applicant was not present for questions or comments .
Commissioners discussed the trough planter concept and the doors not fitting correctly without
replacing the windows too.
Motion by Knight to deny the CDC for the door replacement with the recommendation that the
applicant reapply for a CDC with double doors that will match the existing doors on the building.
Second by Gonzalez. Approved 6 – 0.
Motion by McCalla to deny the CDC for awnings, sidewalk railings and site design based on
noncompliance with Guidelines 10.1, 10.3, 8.2, 8.3, 8.6, 8.7, and 10.4. Second by Nancy. Approved
6 – 0.
6.Discussion of offsite parking agreements for the Downtown Overlay District.
Wyler presented the parking plan that was in effect before this meeting. Knight requested that a
discussion of this plan be added to the next agenda. Gonzalez asked that a similar map be made and
a discussion held for sandwich board sidewalk signs, troughs and umbrellas in the sidewalk ROW.
7.Consideration and possible action regarding a response to the appeal to the City Council of the
HARC's April 24, 2008 decision pertaining to the Certificate of Design Compliance for 1903 South
Austin Avenue (Montgomery Addition, Block 1, Lots 10 and 11)
This item was postponed until after the Executive Session .
Chair O’Donnell announced that the Commission would be going into Executive Session at 7:34 p.m.
in compliance with the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551, Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes,
Annotated, for consultation with the Attorney, Section 551.071.
Chair O’Donnell announced the Regular Session would resume at 8:00 p.m. Short did not return to
the dais.
8.Comments from the Director and reminder of the next meeting on June 26, 2008.
Wyler reported that 1201 Church Street height and elevation was found to be out of compliance. He
explained the owners may come back to the Commission and work out an agreeable compromise, or
they will not receive a Certificate of Occupancy at the end of their project. The Commission discussed
the process that city staff uses to stop construction or halt progress when a project changes from the
original CDC application and approval. Cook explained the inspections process and stated the
Planning and Inspections Departments were working with one another to determine inconsistencies in
approved plans and field inspections.
Executive Session
In compliance with the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551, Government Code, Vernon's Texas Codes,
Annotated, the items listed below will be discussed in closed session and are subject to action in the
regular session that follows.
9.Consultation with attorney – Tex. Gov’t Code § 551.071 - Advice from attorney about pending or
contemplated litigation and other matters on which the attorney has a duty to advise the
Commission, including agenda items.
Minutes from the Executive Session were taken, transcribed and sealed on June 20, 2008.
Regular Session
10.Action from Executive Session.
Item 7 was discussed. Knight stated she had records that indicate the house in question has 6
rooms instead of the reported 4, which should change the amount of required parking spaces. She
read sections of a letter that she would like to take to City Council, explaining the Commissions
denial of this application. She discussed removing the UDC references.
Motion by Gonzalez to ratify and approve a letter to City Council as stated in Executive Session and
discussed for 1903 South Austin Avenue, and that any member of the Commission may present the
letter and represent HARC at the City council meeting. Second by Johnson. Approved 5 – 0.
Commissioners discussed who would be available for the next City Council meeting, June 10, 2008.
11.Adjournment. Motion by Knight to adjourn. Second by Gonzalez. Meeting adjourned at 8:15 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 15, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, May 15,
2008 at 04:00 PM in the Williamson Conference Room of the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at
300-1 Industrial Ave Georgetown, TX 78626
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez, J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a meeting of the Sign Subcommittee , for
consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 13, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 27, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.2.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
for City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2-3, and 1 (PT), located at 109-110 W. 7th Street.
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-017.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for May 22, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 15, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , May 15, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 4:10 p.m. by Acting Chair Johnson.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 13, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting. 1.
Motion by Johnson to approve. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
2.Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 27, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve. Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
for City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2-3, and 1 (PT), located at 109-110 W. 7th Street.
(CDC-2008-017)
Wyler presented the application and applicable guidelines. Motion by Johnson to approve. Second by
Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
The Subcommittee will not forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural
Review Committee for its consideration.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 8, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, May 8,
2008 at 04:00 PM in the Williamson Conference Room, Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300-1
Industrial Ave Georgetown, TX 78626
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez, J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 13, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 27, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.2.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
for City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2-3, and 1 (PT), located at 109-110 W. 7th Street.
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-017.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for May 22, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, May 8, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
May 8, 2008.
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Minutes
Regular Meeting
This meeting was rescheduled to Thursday, May 15 due to a posting error.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, April 24, 2008 at 06:00 PM in
the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final
action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council
adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act
on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any
item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it
individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's
approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation
described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 27, 2008 regular meeting.1.
Regular Agenda :
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for Certificates of Design Compliance
for removing a house and facade changes at Glasscock Addition, Block 21, Lots 5-6, 7 (s/pt)
and Block 23, Lots 1-8, located at 1009 and 1105 South Church Street. (CDC-2008-010 and
CDC-2008-009) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-010B.pdf
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
for facade and site changes and an alternative parking plan at Lost Addition, Block 13,
0.165 acres, located at 1008 South Main Street. (CDC-2008-014)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-014A.pdf
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-014B.pdf
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
for signage and site changes at Montgomery Addition, Block 1, Lots 10 and 11, located at
1903 South Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-015)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-015.pdf
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
to remove a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 9, Lots 5-6, and 7-8 (W/PTS), located at
215 West 3rd. (CDC-2008-016) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-016A.pdf
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-016B.pdf
6.Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and/or staff and reminder of
the next meeting of the Commission on May 22, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, April 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
April 24, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, and Will Moore.
Members Absent:
Linda McCalla and West Short
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Page 6 of 6
Meeting April 24, 2008
The meeting was called to order at 6:01 p.m. by Chair O’Donnell.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the March 27, 2008 regular meeting.1.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the minutes. Second by Knight. Approved 4 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for Certificates of Design Compliance for
removing a house and facade changes at Glasscock Addition, Block 21, Lots 5-6, 7 (s/pt) and Block
23, Lots 1-8, located at 1009 and 1105 South Church Street. (CDC-2008-010 and CDC-2008-009)
Wyler reported that this item was pulled from the agenda by the applicant.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for facade
and site changes and an alternative parking plan at Lost Addition, Block 13, 0.165 acres, located at
1008 South Main Street. (CDC-2008-014)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking CDC approval to renovate the exterior of
the building which includes adding a second story to the rear of the building, removing existing
materials and exposing original siding while also landscaping the property to provide a courtyard on
the side of the property. This structure was built in 1925 and is classified as a medium priority
historic structure according to the 1984 Georgetown Historic Survey. The survey noted the primary
significance as the building’s architecture, a rare example of the bungalow style used as a commercial
building. Prior to the Survey, the building was given a faux brick facade to cover the original aging
wood siding to the building. No record of the building’s original color has been found. The applicant
proposes to restore the building to its original character and update the interior to today’s modern
professional office standards. Wyler listed the guidelines that apply to this application.
Bryant Boyd, architect for the project, was available for questions. Knight says she appreciates the
building renovation efforts but has trouble with the parking areas. Wyler explained that the
requirement, per the Unified Development Code is one parking space per 500 square feet of floor
area. In this area, an alternative parking plan can be proposed and has been. Commissioners voiced
concerns about the extensive use of alternative parking plans in this area and the lack of parking
spaces that can be used due to already being allocated. Wyler agreed to bring in a map of parking
spaces in the downtown area that have already been allocated to existing businesses.
Chair O’Donnell opened the floor for comments.
Sharon McCarty McKinnon, owner of the business located at 1003 S. Austin Ave, spoke in regards to
the parking issue. She owns the parking lot that is adjacent to the applicant’s property. She says the
lot is not always full, but that it is a private parking lot and she needs to keep those spaces available
for her employees and customers. She was also concerned about parking of construction vehicles
during the renovation of this building. She would like her parking lot access closed off on the Main
Street side of the lot if possible. She was directed to speak to city staff for follow-up and direction.
Commissioner Johnson questioned the removal of the cast iron staircase. Mr. Boyd stated the stairs
were added in the 1960’s and are not up to present code so need to be removed. Johnson wanted
Mr. Boyd to keep the exterior side doors and the staircase. Johnson also questioned the addition of a
skylight to a historic building. Boyd said it was to improve the natural lighting in the stairwell.
Discussion was held back and forth regarding the exterior doors. Mr. Boyd agreed to come back to
the Commission once the building tenant was secured and a decision was reached about the interior
configuration.
Motion by Johnson to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for this project as outlined in the
staff report, with the exception of the skylight addition and removal of the exterior stairway on the
north side of the building and doors which we disapprove. Motion died for lack of a second.
Motion by Gonzalez for approval of the Certificate of Design Compliance for facade and site changes
and an alternative parking plan at Lost Addition, Block 13, located at 1008 S. Main Street as
presented. Second by Knight. Approved 4 – 1. (Johnson opposed, O’Donnell for.)
Motion by Knight that the applicant must bring the landscaping and final layout (site plan) back to the
commission for approval. Second by Tommy. Approved 4 – 0.
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
and site changes at Montgomery Addition, Block 1, Lots 10 and 11, located at 1903 South Austin
Avenue. (CDC-2008-015)
Wyler presented the property summary and background. He stated the applicant is seeking CDC
approval to allow for office use of a Residential Single-Family (RS) zoned property. He explained that
City Council recently passed an ordinance that allowed a change in use of a Single-Family Residential
zoned property to be used for an office, subject to standards in the UDC Section 5.02.125, with a
Special Use Permit. The change in use will include the addition of parking (including the demolition of
an existing garage), the construction of a handicap ramp and the addition of a business sign to the
building.
Wyler further explained that the applicant is currently awaiting Planning and Zoning Commission and
City Council decision on a Special Use Permit (SUP) application to allow the proposed office use of the
house. He said the application is scheduled for Planning and Zoning Commission public hearing on
May 6, 2008 with first reading at City Council on May 27, 2008. If HARC wishes to approve this
application it should be conditioned on the approval of the SUP by City Council. If the SUP is not
approved, the applicant cannot proceed with the office development of this house and property.
Wyler gave the history of the house. This is the Halley House, built in 1916, and is classified as a
Medium Priority Structure in the 1984 Georgetown Historic Survey. A double garage is mentioned as
an “Outbuilding” to the primary structure, although no historic significance is provided. Wyler
suggested the applicant might have more information on the garage that he was unable to locate.
The applicant proposes changing the use from residential to office as allowed with the recently
adopted UDC amendment and with proper approvals. Due to the current location along South Austin
Avenue and adjacent to a commercially zoned property, the applicant has stated that a small business
would suit the property best.
Wyler went on to report that a major part of the project is the addition of six parking spaces. In the
commission packets, the parking layout, currently under review by staff as the Site Plan, is required
for the Special Use Permit. Wyler said that he expects the site plan review to be finalized before the
May 6 meeting. He said staff worked with the applicant to design the parking spaces and the use of
Eco-crete, which allows drainage through the parking spaces, to protect the large 20-inch pecan tree
and other large trees on the property. He stated the applicant is proposing to remove the existing
driveway to protect more of the trees and allow for the six parking spaces.
Demolition of the garage, which is shown to be sinking about 18 inches, will allow room for two more
parking spaces. The parking will be screened by landscaping per the site plan that is under review by
staff.
In addition, a sign proposal is being put forth for a free standing sign and a hanging sign. The
ordinance only allows hanging signs. Wyler stated HARC has the ability to approve or allow a wall
sign instead of free standing or hanging sign, if they so choose. The CDC application includes the
approval of a sign.
Jim Coulter, engineer for the project was available for questions. Chair O’Donnell asked about the
application of the Eco-crete. The engineer produced a sample and Wyler said it was acceptable to
the Permitting and Inspections Department, and up to code standards.
Knight said she was opposed and disappointed in this project and felt the city was piecemealing the
Design Guidelines and Zoning Ordinance to fit the project. She said this property is the perfect
transition from commercial into that residential neighborhood. Knight said it is the quintessential
bungalow that people expect to see on our main arteries coming into the historic community and she
was not in favor of granting a special use permit or any of the things proposed to make this anything
other than residential.
O”Donnell asked for confirmation that the Special Use Permit is to be considered by the City Council
and that the Commission was not acting on that . Wyler confirmed. Moore asked for confirmation that
the Special Use Permit is contingent upon receiving a CDC from HARC, and that if HARC denies the
CDC then the Special Use Permit cannot be issued. Wyler confirmed.
Moore gave background on this item from the Planning and Zoning (P&Z) Commission meeting. He
said the applicant originally requested a rezoning to commercial (C-1) zoning through the P&Z
Commission. The request was denied. After that a City Councilman proposed the ordinance allowing
this to happen and the applicant withdrew the original application to rezone it to commercial use and
applied under this ordinance to allow office use. Moore said that there was quite a bit of opposition
to the ordinance and he opposed it and shared the views of the other commissioners. He reported
the ordinance passed the council and is in effect. He stated unless the commission can find
something wrong with the proposal, there is not much to be done. He emphasized that because of
the opposition to this from many people in Georgetown that felt any non-residential use should not
be allowed into Old Town, which is exactly what this does, the City Council discussed that there
should be a compromise. The compromise proposed would allow office use but it would maintain as
much as possible the appearance of a residential flavor of the structure. The ordinance references
the “maintaining the residential property appearance” and he said that was very important in the
debates. He suggested the Commission not use the same design criteria for office use in the
downtown zone because the yard signs and parking are not consistent with a residential appearance.
He reported that also, the people that live next to this are in a residential used structure and he
stated the Council didn’t feel the residents should have to see a yard sign in the adjacent property
because they cannot convert to office use also. Moore thinks the sign should be attached to the
building to remain unobtrusive. He also thinks the lights on the outside of the building are not in
compliance with the Design Guidelines. The proposed lights are too bright and obtrusive . He also
discussed the fact that the proposed curb cut is half the size of the front property line and that much
curb cut and concrete is not of a residential character. He said the engineer said it is required by the
city. Wyler confirmed that the city engineer and fire department have approved the necessary curb
cut. Cook said the City may be able to look at another solution for the curb cut size.
O’Donnell asked about regulations that were used to identify the requirements for this project and the
use that would be allowed. Wyler stated the general criteria were reviewed against the Unified
Development Code for the use and the Design Guidelines. Cook shows in the UDC that there are
standard criteria that the HARC is supposed to use in reviewing CDC applications. One is that the
integrity of an individual historic structure is preserved. She went on to read from UDC Section
3.13.030, “The overall character of the Historic or applicable Overlay District is protected . Signs that
are out of keeping with the adopted design standards, and are not in character with the site or
landmarks within the Historic or applicable Overlay District in question will not be permitted. The
following may also be considered by the HARC when determining whether to approve a certificate of
design compliance: The effect of the proposed change upon the general historic , cultural and
architectural nature of the site, landmark or District, The appropriateness of exterior architectural
features, including parking and etc.” She stated those are the generic guidelines from the UDC that
can be used when something in Old Town is changing from residential, commercial or vacant
properties to commercial use. There are items that may not have specific Guideline numbers but the
Commission may apply the generic criteria from the UDC.
O’Donnell said he doesn’t recall the HARC changing the use of a property before applying the
Guidelines before. Knight didn’t want to apply specific guidelines to a property that had not already
been approved for a certain use. She stated the city issued an ordinance that allows this property to
be rezoned to a special use, but that property has not been issued a Special Use Permit at this time.
She thinks this an inappropriate use of this home.
Motion by Knight to deny the Certificate of Design Compliance for change in use from residential to
office, site design, signage and demolition of a garage at Montgomery Addition, Block 1, Lots 10 and
11, located at 1903 South Austin Avenue. Second by Moore. Motion is carried, CDC is denied, 4 – 0.
O’Donnell says he thinks this puts the Commission in an odd position. Gonzalez says the ordinance
passed that made this possible to be considered, and then City Council asks the Commission to ignore
everything they are here to do. Knight says she agrees. If they already had a Special Use Permit
and this it (CDC application) was in front of the commission, then they would have to consider the
Guidelines.
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance to remove
a structure at City of Georgetown, Block 9, Lots 5-6, and 7-8 (W/PTS), located at 215 West 3rd.
(CDC-2008-016)
Wyler read the caption, presented the staff report and listed the guidelines that apply to this
application. The structure is classified as a Medium Priority Structure according to the 1984
Georgetown Historic Survey. Recently, the property owner gave the applicant permission to move
the structure from the property so that it could be relocated to Liberty Hill for renovation purposes.
He reported the applicant said she was unaware that HARC approval was required and began the
preparations for the relocation. Subsequently, the applicant was advised of the City’s process for
building relocations in the Downtown Overlay District.
The house currently sits on lifters in preparation for moving. All further preparations for removal
have been stopped until HARC approval is given. The windows are boarded up and a portion of the
structure was removed to allow for safe transport. Before the moving preparations took place, the
structure was falling apart and in dire need of renovation.
The applicant proposes moving the structure to Liberty Hill , Texas so that it can be renovated on her
property and given another chance at becoming a livable structure. She stated to staff that the
owner has no intentions of renovating the structure and she wanted to move the house before it was
considered a “Dangerous Building”. If it is deemed “Dangerous” the City of Georgetown Inspection
Services will require its removal.
Wyler went on to report a moving route has been approved by the Georgetown Police Department.
The Code Enforcement Department stated they had no jurisdiction on the maintenance of historic
structures. Wyler also noted the Section in the UDC that states the Historic District Planner and the
Building Official have guidelines to use to address the issue of neglect of historic structures. This gives
Code Enforcement the authority to enforce the guidelines. However, since this building has been
neglected to date and in an effort to save the structure, staff recommends approval of the CDC to
allow the structure to be removed from the property.
Motion by Johnson recommending approval of the CDC for removal as recommended by staff.
Second by Moore.
The Commission discussed the application of the section of the UDC that can be applied to structures
in the Downtown Overlay Districts to address neglect of historic structures. Knight requested a letter
be sent to property owners informing them of the ordinance and the new enforcement and the need
for them to maintain their property.
Question called. Motion approved 4 – 0.
6.Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and /or staff and reminder of the next
meeting of the Commission on May 22, 2008
Knight requested discussion of the property maintenance item be added to the next agenda.
Cook reported that the Design Guideline update workshops were being planned and budgeted by
staff and those dates would be discussed at the next meeting .
Cook also discussed future training sessions for new members, possibly including existing members.
She said she would try to schedule that in the near future.
Meeting adjourned by Chair at 7:24 p.m.
Approved, Chair, Rick O’DonnellAttest, Secretary, Nancy Knight
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission and possible attendance of the
Governing Body of the City of Georgetown, TX
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 27, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission and possible attendance of the Governing Body of the
City of Georgetown, TX will meet on Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 06:00 PM in the Council Chambers,
located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission and possible attendance of the Governing Body of the City
of Georgetown, TX Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight; Linda McCalla; Will Moore; West
Short
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final
action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council
adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and
Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act
on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any
item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it
individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's
approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation
described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 28, 2008 regular meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance 2.
for signage at Lost Addition, Block 64(pt) located at 206 W. 10th Street. (CDC-2008-011)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-011.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance 3.
for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 6-7(pts) located at 214 W. 8th Street.
(CDC-2008-012) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-012.pdf
Regular Agenda :
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
for facade changes at Lost Addition, Block 66 (Pt), located at 1102 Rock Street.
(CDC-2008-008) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-008.pdf
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-008A.pdf
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-008B.pdf
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance
for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1-8, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-013) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-013.pdf
6.Consideration and possible action on a request for Certificates of Design Compliance
for facade and site changes to include locating a structure moved from 1009 Church Street
at Glasscock Addition, Block 36, Lots 1-2 (E/PTS) located at 706 S. College Street in
addition to facade changes, signage, and parking at Glasscock Addition, Blocks 23, Lots 1-8,
located at 1105 Church Street (CDC-2008-009 & CDC-2008-010)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-010.pdf
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-010A.pdf
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-010B.pdf
7.Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and/or staff and reminder of
the next meeting of the Commission on April 24, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission and possible attendance of the
Governing Body of the City of Georgetown, TX
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 27, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission and possible attendance of the Governing Body of the
City of Georgetown, TX of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday , March 27, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Linda McCalla, Will
Moore and West Short
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 6:02 p.m. by Chair O’Donnell .
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final
action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the
following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may
act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that
any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act
upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review
Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff
recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 28, 2008 regular meeting. 1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 2.
signage at Lost Addition, Block 64(pt) located at 206 W. 10
th
Street. (CDC-2008-011)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3.
signage at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 6-7(pts) located at 214 W. 8
th
Street.
(CDC-2008-012)
Motion by Johnson to approve the entire consent agenda with the minutes. Second by
Knight. Approved 6 – 0. (Chair obstaining.)
Regular Agenda:
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for façade 1.
changes at Lost Addition, Block 66 (Pt), located at 1102 Rock Street. (CDC-2008-008)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant was proposing to repaint the exterior of the house .
Staff recommends approval of the CDC for the repainting of the building with the understanding that
only the colors proposed in the applicant’s packet will be used. The new shades will maintain the
historic feel of the property.
Motion by Knight to approve the application for a CDC, as recommended by staff. Second by
Gonzalez. Approved 6 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 28, Lots 1-8, located at 500 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2008-013)
Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking a CDC for a Master Sign Plan that will
encompass a multi-use development located on the entire block between 5th Street and 6th Street and
between Austin Avenue and Rock Street. Staff recommends approval of the CDC for the Master Sign
Plan as proposed in the applicant’s detailed guidelines with the minor amendment. The applicant
should be allowed to cover no more than 30% of any glass panel for the first floor window signage
and that window signage for Monument Cafe should be limited to the entrance doors and adjacent
entrance windows. In addition, only the first floor windows should have the option for signage.
Secondly, all tenant signs (including window signs) for the property must be approved by both the
property owner and city staff before being installed. An administrative letter of approval from the city
for each tenant should be provided prior to obtaining a Sign Permit.
Commissioner Gonzalez questioned the use of the neon sign. The applicant, Gordan Baker, explained
that they would like to relocate and use the existing Monument neon sign to the new location. There
was a discussion of the use of neon in the downtown area.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the Master Sign Plan application as proposed and
conditioned by staff. Second by Knight. Approved 6 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on requests for Certificates of Design Compliance for facade
and site changes to include locating a structure moved from 1009 Church Street at Glasscock
Addition, Block 36, Lots 1-2 (E/PTS) located at 706 S. College Street in addition to façade changes,
signage, and parking at Glasscock Addition, Blocks 23, Lots 1-8, located at 1105 Church Street.
(CDC-2008-009 & CDC-2008-010)
Wyler presented the summary staff report. The applicant is seeking Certificate of Design Compliance
approval to move a Medium Priority house, based on the Historic Resource Survey, from 1009 Church
Street to 706 College Street where it will be joined with an existing house. In addition, the applicant
is seeking Certificate of Design Compliance approval to change the use of the Wesleyan Retirement
Home, a parking lot, and a house; to renovate the exterior of the retirement building along with some
site modifications to give it a more appealing look for the planned office use. The applicant is
proposing to add Lymestone (a limestone looking veneer) to the first floor of the building, tint the
windows, add new parking in the rear of the building which he proposes will save the large pecan
trees in the front of the building, add new awnings and side driveway, and install diagonal parking
and street lighting on 11th Street. The Comprehensive Plan Amendment and Rezoning applications
are scheduled to go to the Planning and Zoning Commission the following week .
Wyler introduced Lee McIntosh, the applicant. Wyler stated Mr. McIntosh has an alternative plan to
suggest to the Commission based on the opposition that has been received by the City and himself.
Mr. McIntosh stated he felt like he was doing the right thing by preserving the house through
relocation. His new idea is a redesigned parking plan, which he could do with moving the existing
house to the north side of the existing lot and put it in service as a single-family home. He stated he
was prepared to withdraw the 7th Street application at this time.
The Chair questioned whether the HARC could change the CDC application . Cook explained that the
parcels are the same and notifications had been made so HARC has the authority to negotiate the
application. HARC has many options to consider including, reducing the number of required parking
spaces, using shared parking on 11th , Myrtle or Church Streets, reduction of the requirements, etc.
HARC is not allowed to change the zoning of a structure or make a Comprehensive Plan Amendment,
those must go through Planning and Zoning and City Council.
Mr. McIntosh stated that this complex will be Class A offices and that the staff in those offices won’t
need all the parking initially, but experience tells that in two to three years of completion of the
project, he will need 180 – 200 parking spaces. A solution will have to be found or the use and
success of the remodeling of this building will be limited.
Chair O’Donnell opened the floor for the public comments. Each speaker was given three minutes to
share their opinion.
Ross Hunter, 908 Walnut Street – Mr. Hunter expressed opposition to the application stating that
Georgetown’s value is based on history and by reducing the historical structures’ value, he would be
affecting the neighboring property values.
Janis Shields, 1002 Elm – Ms. Shields wants the developer to use the existing parking that she says is
underutilized at present. She is concerned about a previous building that the developer remodeled
not being finished by the developer according to the approved CDC plans.
Ellen Davis, 405 E. 10th Street – Ms. Davis expressed concerns about increased traffic generated by
this new development.
Carol and Larry Rooke, 1001 S. Church Street – Ms. Rooke explained that they have remodeled an
historic house immediately next door to the one in question and they do not believe a house in Old
Town should be allowed to be destroyed for profit . She stated that everyone should work to stop the
decay of downtown because people do not want to come to Georgetown to see commercial buildings;
they come for the historic homes.
Renée Hanson, Barbara Moyer, 1252 S. Austin Ave. – Ms. Hanson representing the Heart of
Downtown wants to preserve the boundaries of the Downtown Overlay in keeping with the vision of
the Downtown Master Plan. She stated she felt HARC will set a precedent here. She stated the
downtown area is valuable and has the ambience of a heritage that has been written about in many
articles. She opposed the application and asked that an alternative parking plan be allowed that
would leave the house where it stands.
Michele Ledebohm, 1004 S. Church St. – Ms. Ledebohm brought and presented petitions from the
neighborhood, in opposition of this development. She wants the HARC to help preserve the heritage
and character of the town, not just the Square and to recognize the historical value of these houses.
(Petitions and letters placed on permanent record.)
Robert Phipps, 1404 Elm St. - Mr. Phipps applauded Mr. McIntosh for developing the Wesleyan as
an alternative use, but stated attaching the old house to the new house on College Street is
appalling. He suggested using the front of the Wesleyan Building for parking as an alternative to
moving the house.
Rick Williamson, 204 Holly St. – Mr. Williamson wants to emphasize the same sentiments as the
others, not wanting to “chip away” at downtown .
Chair O’Donnell thanked everyone for coming forward and addressing the Commission.
The Commissioners debated several options and thoughts . Commissioner Johnson explained that the
church that owns the parking lot that could be used as alternative parking, would lose its non-taxable
status on that property if it allowed the property to be used during the week by Mr. McIntosh’s
tenants. Mr. McIntosh also stated that he needs to own at least 70% of the parking “fee simple” to
sell or lease his property in the future.
O’Donnell asked about the denial procedure. Cook explained that the applicant has 175 days if the
HARC denies the application for moving the house, delaying the action for negotiations, then the
applicant receives an automatic approval from HARC which allows the original action.
Discussion of parking alternatives.
Motion by Gonzalez to postpone relocation of house until the next HARC meeting of April 24, 2008,
after Planning and Zoning and City Council have met and reviewed this. Second by Knight.
Mr. McIntosh says he would like to move forward with discussions to figure out an alternative plan
because he wants to act in good faith with the city. He does not want to hold the house “hostage”.
He reminds the Commission that the Guidelines do not protect historic structures after 175 days.
Motion restated. Approved 6 – 0.
Motion by Knight to approve alternative parking plan utilizing the nonconforming parking use as
suggested by staff. Second by Gonzalez. Amended by Johnson to suggest the applicant and City
work with the church for possible parking solutions. Second by Gonzalez.
Commissioner Short says he understands based on experience, that keeping non-conforming use of
the parking lot and the single-family house ensures it can not be changed to another commercial use
and that he is empathetic to the surrounding homeowners.
Vote on amended and original motion, approved 6 – 0.
Commission took a 5 minute break.
Wyler updated the Commission on the monument sign application. The applicant is proposing a new
monument sign in the same place as the existing. Since there are not any details designed yet, Wyler
is recommending that the proposed monument sign’s design along with the surrounding landscaping
be reviewed by staff before a sign permit is granted, so that an administrative approval may be
given. Wyler also asked that extra lighting be approved for illuminating trees on the property.
Motion by Johnson to approve the staff recommendation for the monument sign CDC, with the final
approval of content on the monument sign to approved administratively, and with landscape lighting
of the sign. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 6 – 0.
Motion by Knight to approve the site modifications as shown on the application, with the exception of
parking in the rear which should be negotiated with staff, and including staff authority to make
changes north of 11th Street. No second of this motion. Discussion of action of Commission.
Motion by Knight to approve all the site modifications as presented from 11th Street south and the
non-conforming parking lot and giving staff authority to make minor modifications of this plan.
Second by Johnson. Approved 6 – 0.
Wyler gave an update of the proposed facade changes. The applicant is proposing to powerwash the
brick, put a bronze tint on the windows, placing the Lymestone on the first floor, awnings on the front
and back of the building, removing large louvers on the side of the building, and placing lights under
the trees.
Discussion of the look of all the materials together and the removal of the shutters.
Motion by Short to approve the window material and all other facade items, but delay a decision on
the Lymestone material until the next regular meeting of the Commission. Second by Gonzalez.
Approved 6 – 0.
4.Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and /or staff and reminder of the next
meeting of the Commission on April 24, 2008.
There was a request to change the time of the Sign subcommittee on the fourth Thursday to 5:30
p.m. All agree. The time will be changed unless the agenda warrants going back to 5:00.
There was a question regarding the recommendation and information that would be going forward to
Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council. Short suggests asking staff to let them know that
HARC does not want the downtown boundary lines moved, or the zoning changed within those
boundaries. Staff will take that recommendation forward and Will Moore agrees to attend both
meetings as the HARC representative.
Motion to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 27, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, March 27,
2008 at 05:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 28, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at Lost Addition, Block 64(pt) located at 206 W. 10th Street. (CDC-2008-011)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-011.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 6-7(pts) located at 214 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2008-012)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-012.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 27, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 27, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , March 27, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Elizabeth Cook, Planning Director; and Karen Frost, Recording
Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 5:10 p.m. by Chair Gonzalez.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the February 28, 2008 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve. Second by Knight. Minutes were approved 3 – 0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Lost Addition, Block 64(pt) located at 206 W. 10th Street. (CDC-2008-011)
Wyler presented the guidelines that were applied to this application and found to be in compliance.
Johnson questioned the angle of the sign. Wyler explained that the drawing by the applicant was
inaccurate and that the sign was to be placed perpendicular to the building and street.
Motion by Knight to approve the CDC as requested. Second by Johnson. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 50, Lots 6-7(pts) located at 214 W. 8th Street. (CDC-2008-012)
Wyler explained that the business was moving two doors down the street and wanted to relocate the
existing sign and add a door sign. Wyler read the supporting guidelines.
Motion by Johnson to approve the CDC as requested. Second by Knight. Approved 3 – 0.
There was discussion to move the Subcommittee Meeting to 5:30 p.m. on the nights that the meeting
was followed by the regular HARC meeting at 6:00 and when three or less applications were on the
agenda. All agreed.
Motion by Knight to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 5:17 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 13, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, March 13,
2008 at 04:00 PM in the Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd, Georgetown,
Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 04:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 1.
at City of Georgetown, Block 42, Lot 7-8, 6(pt) – 1-3(pt) located at 310 W. 7th Street Suite #102.
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-006.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 27, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, March 13, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , March 13, 2008.
Members Present:
J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
Tommy Gonzalez
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 4:10 p.m. by Acting Chair Johnson.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 1.
at City of Georgetown, Block 42, Lot 7-8, 6(pt) – 1-3(pt) located at 310 W. 7th Street Suite #102.
(CDC-2008-006)
Robbie Wyler presented the application for the signage update of information and design to the
free-standing four-sided sign. The sign conforms to the Design Guidelines and Wyler recommends
approval.
Motion by Johnson to approve the application for Certificate of Design Compliance as presented.
Second by Knight. Approved 2 – 0.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for March 27, 2008.
This item will not be forwarded to the regular Commission for consideration .
The meeting was adjourned at 4:12 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, February 28, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, February 28, 2008 at 06:00
PM in the City Council Chambers, located at 103 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, TX
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; John Chapman; Chris Damon; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight;
Linda McCalla
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 24, 2008 regular meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5(pt) located at 714 S. Austin Avenue Suite #102, if referred by
the HARC Sign Subcommittee. (CDC-2008-004)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-004.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lot 1, Located at 103 W. 11th Street, if referred by the HARC Sign
Subcommittee. (CDC-2008-005) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-005.pdf
Regular Agenda:
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for façade
changes at City of Georgetown Block 52. Lot 4, located at 810 S. Church Street. (CDC-2008-001)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-001.pdf
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
and awnings at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 3-4 and 7-8, located at 1003 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-003) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-003.pdf
6.Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and /or staff and reminder of the next
meeting of the Commission on March 27, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, February 28, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
February 28, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; John Chapman, Chris Damon, J.C. Johnson,
Nancy Knight and Linda McCalla
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 6:02 p.m. by Chair O’Donnell.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 24, 2008 regular meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5(pt) located at 714 S. Austin Avenue Suite #102, if referred by
the HARC Sign Subcommittee. (CDC-2008-004)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lot 1, Located at 103 W. 11th Street, if referred by the HARC Sign
Subcommittee. (CDC-2008-005)
Motion by John Chapman to approve the consent agenda. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 6 –
0.
Regular Agenda:
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for façade
changes at City of Georgetown Block 52. Lot 4, located at 810 S. Church Street. (CDC-2008-001)
Robbie Wyler presented the application for the domed awning, stating it was in compliance with the
Design Guidelines and recommending approval. Ann Seaman, the applicant/ owner, brought a
sample of the material to be used on the awning.
Motion by Knight to approve the CDC application as presented. Second by Gonzalez.
Approved 6 – 0.
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
and awnings at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lots 3-4 and 7-8, located at 1003 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2008-003)
Wyler presented the application for a new awning at the Wonderful Things business, stating it was in
compliance with the Design Guidelines and recommending approval. A Commissioner expressed
concern over the side of the building being used for future signs of other businesses. Wyler pointed
out that these would be dealt with at the time of application if presented.
Motion by McCalla to approve the signage and awning as presented in the application. Second
by Chapman. Approved 6 – 0.
6.Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and /or staff and reminder of the next
meeting of the Commission on March 27, 2008.
Everyone said goodbye and appreciation of their service to the outgoing members, Chapman and
Damon.
Chair O’Donnell adjourned the meeting at 6:17 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, February 28, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, February
28, 2008 at 05:00 PM in the City Council Chambers, located at 103 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, TX
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 24, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5(pt) located at 714 S. Austin Avenue Suite #102, if referred by
the HARC Sign Subcommittee. (CDC-2008-004)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-004.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 3.
at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lot 1, Located at 103 W. 11th Street, if referred by the HARC Sign
Subcommittee. (CDC-2008-005) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2008-005.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for February 28, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, February 28, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , February 28, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez, Chair; J.C. Johnson, and Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 5:03 p.m. by Chair Gonzalez.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the January 24, 2008 Sign Subcommittee meeting.1.
Motion by Knight to approve the minutes. Second by Johnson. Approved 3-0.
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 5(pt) located at 714 S. Austin Avenue Suite #102.
(CDC-2008-004)
Robbie Wyler presented the application for signage on the door and window of the business, which
he stated conformed to the Design Guidelines and he recommended approval.
Motion by Johnson to approve the application as presented. Second by Knight.
Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Lost Addition, Block 13, Lot 1, Located at 103 W. 11th Street. (CDC-2008-005)
Wyler presented the application for signage at a business, that conforms to the Design Guidelines and
to which he recommends approval. Johnson asked if this is the only signage that will be for this
business. Wyler reported this is the only signage that was requested in the application.
Motion by Knight to approve the application as presented. Second by Johnson.
Approved 3 – 0.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for February 28, 2008.
No items were forwarded to the regular Commission meeting. Motion to adjourn the meeting by
Johnson. Second by Knight. Meeting was adjourned at 5:09 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, January
24, 2008 at 05:00 PM in the Council Chambers, located at 103 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, TX 78626
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee Members:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 05:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 13, 2007 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at Glasscock Addition, Block 10, Lots 1-2, 7-8, and 3-6 (PTS) located at 703 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-039) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-039.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3.
additional signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(s/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2007-040) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-040.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 4.
at Glasscock Addition, Block 22 1/2, Lot 1 and 2 (PT), located at 1104 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-044) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-044.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 5.
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1(PT), located at 700 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2007-045)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-045.pdf
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 24, 2008 at 6:00 p.m.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee of the City of Georgetown, Texas,
met on Thursday , January 24, 2008.
Members Present:
Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight
Members Absent:
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
Meeting opened by Gonzalez at 5:05 p.m.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission Sign Subcommittee is responsible for hearing and
taking final action on sign applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City
Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Sign
Subcommittee, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 13, 2007 Sign Subcommittee 1.
meeting.
Motion by Johnson to approve the minutes. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 2 – 0. (Knight not
in place yet.)
2.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Glasscock Addition, Block 10, Lots 1-2, 7-8, and 3-6 (PTS) located at 703 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-039)
Nancy Knight arrived. Wyler presented the application. No questions.
Motion by Johnson to approve the sign as presented. Second by Knight. Approved 3 – 0.
3.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for
additional signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(s/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2007-040)
Wyler presented the application. The applicant wants to add a projecting sign from the corner
column, perpendicular to Austin Avenue. Motion by Johnson to approve the application. Second
by Knight. Approved 3 – 0.
4.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at Glasscock Addition, Block 22 1/2, Lot 1 and 2 (PT), located at 1104 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-044)
Wyler presented the application. The owner was present and said the application was for replacing
existing sign faces. No questions from the dais. Motion by Knight to approve the application as
presented. Second by Johnson. Approved 3 – 0.
5.Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1(PT), located at 700 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2007-045)
Wyler presented the application. The owner, Steve Quenan was present and answered clarifying
questions from the Commissioners about the application.
Motion by Knight to approve the application for signage as applied, with the caveat that if
the applicant chooses to remove the lettering from the awnings, that the applicant will
seek staff approval prior to having the sign made, and that staff will have the option to
approve administratively at that point. Second by Johnson. Approved 3 – 0.
The Subcommittee may forward these items to the next meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Committee for its consideration. That meeting is scheduled for January 24, 2008.
None of the items listed above were forwarded to the regular Commission meeting.
Meeting adjourned at 5:28 p.m. by Chair Gonzalez.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 06:00 PM
in the Council Chambers, located at 103 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, TX 78626
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; John Chapman; Chris Damon; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight;
Linda McCalla
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 06:00 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 13, 2007 regular meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at Glasscock Addition, Block 10, Lots 1-2, 7-8, and 3-6 (PTS) located at 703 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-039) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-039.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3.
additional signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(s/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2007-040) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-040.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 4.
at Glasscock Addition, Block 22 1/2, Lot 1 and 2 (PT), located at 1104 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-044) http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-044.pdf
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 5.
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1(PT), located at 700 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2007-045)
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/CDC-2007-045.pdf
Regular Agenda:
6.Consideration and possible action on a request for an amendment for a previously approved
Certificate of Design Compliance at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1(PT), located at 700 S.
Austin Avenue. (CDC-2007-042)
7.Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and /or staff and reminder of the next
meeting of the Commission on February 28, 2008.
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Thursday, January 24, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Thursday ,
January 24, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair Tommy Gonzalez, Vice-chair; John Chapman, Chris Damon, J.C. Johnson,
Nancy Knight and Linda McCalla.
Members Absent:
none
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary
Minutes
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 6:05 p.m. by Chair O’Donnell.
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown
Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following:
Consent Agenda:
The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with
one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the
Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the
Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission 's approval of an item on the Consent
Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted.
Review and possible approval of the minutes from the December 13, 2007 regular meeting.1.
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 2.
at Glasscock Addition, Block 10, Lots 1-2, 7-8, and 3-6 (PTS) located at 703 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-039)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for 3.
additional signage at City of Georgetown, Block 51, Lot 8(s/PT), located at 823 S. Austin Avenue.
(CDC-2007-040)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 4.
at Glasscock Addition, Block 22 1/2, Lot 1 and 2 (PT), located at 1104 S. Church Street.
(CDC-2007-044)
Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage 5.
at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1(PT), located at 700 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC-2007-045)
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the minutes of the December 13, 2007 meeting. The other items of
the consent agenda were approved at the previous Sign Subcommittee Meeting. Second by
Chapman. Approved 7 – 0.
Regular Agenda:
6.Consideration and possible action on a request for an amendment for a previously approved
Certificate of Design Compliance at City of Georgetown, Block 41, Lot 1(PT), located at 700 S.
Austin Avenue. (CDC-2007-042)
Wyler presented the application for amendment of the previous CDC. The applicant made several
changes in constructing the building and is proposing to remedy some of the items. Some of the
items are too costly after being constructed another way, or were constructed based on building
permit code issues. Main features that were not constructed as to plan and CDC approval were the
number and size of windows, the front facade was faced with a stucco finish instead of a brick finish,
and keystones were not installed on the windows.
The applicant is proposing to install keystones above the second floor windows on both Austin
Avenue and 7th Street, but not on the first floor windows beneath the awnings. The wood trim that is
installed on the front of the building and around the windows will be painted black. Shutters will be
installed on second floor windows and will be painted black to match the existing shutters. Dentil
molding will be put in above the 7th Street entrance and a black, wrought iron railing will be installed
along the 7th Street ramp.
The applicant/owner, Steve Quenan was available for a report on the progress of the construction.
He stated the shutters had been made and the painter picked those up the week before and was
painting them before installation. The dentil moldings were being installed . The trim pieces were to
be constructed the following week. He questioned whether to install an awning over the 7th Street
entrance. The Commission debated and decided the original application for CDC did not include that
awning. If Mr. Quenan determines that another awning is needed, he will return to the Commission
for further approval.
Chair O’Donnell questioned the possibility of faux brick on the front facade of the building, since brick
was originally approved. Mr. Quenan stated he investigated the brick facing and found it was cost
prohibitive and the installer had stated the brick facing would not stick well to the existing stucco.
Mr. Quenan stated that there just wasn’t enough existing brick left over from the renovation to install
on the front of the building. The Commission agreed that the aesthetics of the lack of brick on the
front facade was disappointing and that brick had been approved.
Motion by Gonzalez to approve the change in the front building facade to be stucco face
instead of brick. Second by Knight.
Jack Hockmeister of 704 S. Austin Ave, next door to the Quenan’s building, asked to speak. He
presented pictures of the building in question from around the turn of the century in which the facade
was stucco. Chair O’Donnell thanked the guest for speaking and bringing this forward. The Vote was
called for previous motion. Approved 5 – 1. (Chair did not vote.)
Motion by Knight to approve the amended CDC as recommended by staff and as presented
in the staff report attached to the agenda. Second by Gonzalez. Approved 6 – 0.
Comments, questions and general discussion from Commission and /or staff and reminder of the next
meeting of the Commission on February 28, 2008.
Knight wanted to address the new practice of applicants placing a website address on a sign face.
She didn’t necessarily think that was appropriate in a historic district. Gonzalez stated the
Commission is not allowed to dictate what is or isn’t placed on a sign as long as it’s not vulgar or
inappropriate. Wyler mentioned that the Design Guidelines would be up for review soon, he is
working on a schedule and the process that would be followed , and this issue can be addressed
during those discussions. Knight indicated there are already several items on a list that need to be
addressed.
Damon stated he would like to see an interim approval of some sort for developers seeking financing
for their projects. He indicated developers need to have basics approved, whether at a concept level,
or whatever is described, that would allow the developer to take the approval to the bank. There
was discussion about what constitutes “approval” and the different levels of such.
Knight expressed concern about staff follow-up and inspections after a CDC is issued. Wyler stated
that is definitely being addressed by him doing regular inspections of all projects downtown, and
regular contact with owners /developers.
Chair O’Donnell adjourned the meeting at 7:05 p.m.
Notice of Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Friday, January 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission will meet on Friday, January 11, 2008 at 03:30 PM in
the Williamson Conference Room, Georgetown Municipal Complex, located at 300 Industrial Blvd,
Georgetown, Texas.
If you need accommodations for a disability, please notify the city in advance.
Historic and Architectural Review Commission Members:
Rick O’Donnell, Chair; John Chapman; Chris Damon; Tommy Gonzalez; J. C. Johnson; Nancy Knight;
Linda McCalla
Historic and Architectural Review Commission meets every fourth Thursday of the month at 6:00 p.m.
unless otherwise specified.
Call to Order at 03:30 PM
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on
applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted
Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a special meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review
Commission to receive information on the status of the application from the property owners of the
following property:
Receive an update on the building renovations to 702 South Austin Avenue – Steve Quenan.
http://www.georgetown.org/gis/plds/HARC/Memo_Item_8_121307.pdf
Possible discussion of the project by the Commission. No action will be taken.
Adjournment
Certificate of Posting
I, Sandra Lee, City Secretary for the City of Georgetown, Texas, do hereby certify that this Notice of
Meeting was posted at City Hall, 113 E. 8th Street, a place readily accessible to the general public at all
times, on the _____ day of _________________, 2008, at __________, and remained so posted for at
least 72 continuous hours preceding the scheduled time of said meeting.
__________________________________
Sandra Lee, City Secretary
Minutes of the Meeting of the
Historic and Architectural Review Commission
City of Georgetown, Texas
Friday, January 11, 2008
The Historic and Architectural Review Commission of the City of Georgetown, Texas, met on Friday ,
January 11, 2008.
Members Present:
Rick O'Donnell, J.C. Johnson, Nancy Knight, Chris Damon, Tommy Gonzalez
Members Absent:
John Chapman, Linda McCalla
Members Present but not participating:
Staff Present:
Robbie Wyler, Karen Frost, Elizabeth Cook
Minutes
Regular Meeting
No minutes were taken. Only attendance. This meeting was an opportunity given to a property owner to
explain why a project was not built to standards previously approved by HARC for Certificates of Design
Compliance. No action was taken