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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes_HARC_05.28.2009Historic and Architectural Review Commission Page 1 of 3 May 28, 2009 City of Georgetown, Texas Historic and Architectural Review Commission Meeting Minutes Thursday, May 28, 2009, at 6:00 p.m. City Council and Courts Building 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas 78626 Members Present: Susan Firth; J.C. Johnson; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; Dee Rapp Members Absent: West Short, Chair; and Will Moore Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary Acting Chair Johnson called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commission's approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the April 23, 2009 regular meeting. 2. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 38, Lots 2 & 3, located at 109 W. 7th Street. (CDC-2009- 013) This item was approved at the Sign Subcommittee. 3. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for signage at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 – 8, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue, Suite # 1410. (CDC-2009-014) Motion by Firth to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 5 -0. Item number 3 was brought forth from the Subcommittee and discussed as a regular agenda item. Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant is seeking approval for a new projecting sign on the 3rd story facade of Tamiro Plaza facing Austin Avenue. The applicant has an existing approved A-frame sign and a portion of the existing monument sign. For marketing reasons, the applicant feels a more prominent and permanent sign on the side of the building is appropriate and will add an interesting feature to the building. The signs is to be eight feet high by two feet wide by one foot thick. Staff cited recommending approval based on compliance with guidelines 9.2, 9.8, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18 and 9.20. Acting Chair Johnson opened the floor to the applicant for additional comment. The owner and operator of the Silver and Stone Restaurant, James Ramsey stated he feels he needs the sign to have enough business to stay open. He cited McDonalds and the Monument Restaurant as local examples of signage that works. Historic and Architectural Review Commission Page 2 of 3 May 28, 2009 Commissioners began asking questions. What is the proposed angle of the sign from the building? Wyler responded that it is proposed to be a 90 degree angle. How far will the sign be offset from the building? Ramsey responded that he is trying to make the sign as close to the building as possible and it should be about four in ches within line of the existing turret. Rapp questioned the ability of other tenants in the building requesting similar signage. Wyler responded that the other tenants were on the lower floors and that they other street level signs so this should not affect them. Firth questioned why this was not applied for with the original sign plan. Ramsey responded that he had to raise the capital before getting the sign designed and then made, therefore the delay. Firth explained she was still concerned about the placement of the sign and cited Guideline 9.13 that states a sign shouldn’t detract from a building and that this sign throws an asymmetrical element onto a symmetrical building. She suggested perhaps placing the sign below the turret which would still be in line with an existing projection from the building. She also suggested putting the sign horizontally below the third floor balcony. Ramsey stated he had considered a lot of different options and that he would be open to the idea of placing the sign under the turret, but did not think the sign under the balcony would be effective. Firth also suggested better lobby signage if people were having a hard time finding his restaurant as he suggested earlier. There was further debate between having a horizontal sign versus a vertical sign. Motion by Firth to approve a CDC for the same sign as proposed but hung at a 45 degree angle under the turret on the southwest corner of the building. Motion died for lack of second. Motion by Moseley to approve the sign as proposed but to locate it under the turret at the southwest corner of the building and located perpendicular to Austin Avenue, at a 90 degree angle to the building. Second by Pergl. Approved 5 – 0. Regular Agenda: 4. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for the demolition of an accessory structure at Morrow Addition, Block E (NW/PT), located at 1237 S. Main Street. (CDC-2009-012) Wyler presented the staff report. The applicant seeks approval to demolish an accessory structure to allow for an addition to the main house. Guidelines that support staff recommendation of approval are 7.11 and 7.13. Chair Johnson asked Mrs. Neal if she had any comments, to which she responded, “I sure would like to tear it down.” There was no further discussion by the commission. Motion by Rapp to approve the CDC for demolition of the garage structure. Second by Moseley. Approved 5 – 0. 5. Conceptual review and discussion with Bryant Boyd on the proposed facade renovation to the Main Street fire station bays, located at 816 S. Main Street. Firth recused herself from the dais and the room for conflict of interest reasons. An affidavit form was placed on file. Wyler introduced Jeff Schross, representing Bryant Boyd Architects, for the discussion of the renovation of the fire station at 817 West Main Street. Mr. Schross began by explaining the scope of the project was to convert the fire bays to a wine Historic and Architectural Review Commission Page 3 of 3 May 28, 2009 production and tasting facility. Their proposal is to remove the existing brick and convert the exterior to limestone. They would also be replacing the garage doors with wooden double doors, with one set still being the rolling style for shipping and receiving truck access. They have discussed extending the sidewalk. Commissioners made comments. Johnson stated he liked the idea of converting the brick to limestone, more consistent with the downtown buildings. He questioned the appearance of the length of the building with the other adjacent buildings and suggested recessed alcove type doors, as soon on other portions of the square, to provide more articulation along this block. Moseley suggested adding a wider stone cap on top of the front rock wall that would also provide a bigger shade line. Rapp suggested perhaps rooftop patio seating to get people off the street level. Signage was discussed and it was suggested a perpendicular sign at the southern edge of the building would work well. Johnson suggested seeking public opinion. There was no more discussion. Mr. Schross thanked the commission for their time and comments. Firth was called back to the dais. 6. Discussion and possible action on the replacement of J.C. Johnson on the Sign Subcommittee. This item was tabled until the other two regular members could be present for discussion. Chair Johnson agreed to continue to serve until a replacement was found. 7. Discussion and possible action to establish a time limit on discussions with applicants. This item was tabled until the next meeting when Chair Short could be present for discussion. 8. Reminder that the next regular HARC meeting will take place on June 25, 2009. 9. Adjournment Acting Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at 7:00 p.m. __________________________________ _________________________________ Approved, J.C. Johnson, Acting Chair Attest, Susan Firth, Commissioner