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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes_P&Z_11.19.2003CITY OF GEORGETOWN, TEXAS SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2003, AT 6:30 P.M. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS 101 E 7th STREET, GEORGETOWN, TX 78626 Members Present: Chris Aadnesen, Chair, Johnny Anderson, Vice- Chair, Harry Gibbs, Secretary, Audrey McDonald, Linda Turner, Jennifer Shield, William Moore, Brian Ortego and Marlene McMichael Staff Present: Amelia Sondgeroth, Director of Planning & Development Services; Bobby Ray, Chief Development Planner; David Munk, Development Engineer; Melissa McCollum, Development Planner; Carla Benton, Development Planner, Patricia Carls, City Attorney; and Tammye Sharpe, Recording Secretary. Meeting started at 6:30 p.m. 1. Action from Executive Session – None. 2. General Amendments – UDC procedures and / or standards that require further consideration and / or amendment. Bobby Ray gave the staff presentation on the General Provisions, and as follows: Chapter 1, Section 1.03, C. – the proposed amendment mandates that the Unified Development Code setbacks be used when there is a conflict. If applicant would like to utilize the platted setbacks, they will be required to go before the Planning & Zoning Commission for a waiver to use these platted setbacks. Commissioner Moore made the motion to approve Chapter 1, Section 1.03.C. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 1, Section 1.03, D. – this is for an addition of a neighborhood that was left out of this section with the initial adoption of the Unified Development Code – the Lost Addition. Applies to the properties within the Lost Addition that were previously zoned residential planned and having an approved site plan, which allows them to continue as a legal conforming use. Commissioner Aadnesen verified that the list was complete. Commissioner Moore made the motion to approve Chapter 1, Section 1.03.D, Applicability. Commissioner Turner seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 4, Section 4.05.040 C.4 – clarification of the location of on-site parking in the Williams Drive Special Planned Overlay District, stating that the parking be to the side or to the rear of the building, and to provide some screening. Commissioner Turner made the motion to approve Chapter 4, Section 4.05.040 C.4. Parking in the Zoning Districts. Brian Ortego seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 5, Section 5.01.020 – Land Use table additions: 1) Single-Family residential to the list of permitted uses within the C-2 Downtown Commercial district; and, 2) Retail Sales and Service to the list of limited uses within the Industrial district. Chris A. Mealy, 120 E. 8th Street – relinquished him time Commissioner Anderson had concern about a car lot going in on Williams Drive, and asked to make a change where any vehicle sales and service in a Commercial district be subject to a limited use permit, as it is in the C-2 district, and said he had no problem in making an amendment to the motion that the C-3 zoned areas be limited permit to deal with specifically, the vehicle sales applicants. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to approve as outlined Chapter 5, Section 5.01.020, in Permitted Uses by Zoning District, to change under “C-2” Downtown Commercial add “P” (Permitted by right), to Single-Family attached and Single-Family detached, and under Industrial (IN), add (L) Limited use to retail sales and service, all other sales and service uses with reference to Section 5.02.150 in the notes column. Commissioner Gibbs seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Commissioner Anderson made a second motion to add, under Chapter 5, Section 5.01.020, Permitted Uses by Zoning District, under C-3, Vehicle sales and service, sub-paragraph Vehicles sales, rental and leasing facility be changed from “P” (Permitted use by right) to “L”, (Limited). Commissioner Turner seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 6-1, with Commissioner Gibbs voting against. Chapter 5, Section 5.03.030 C.2 – (this section is incorrectly identified, and should be changed to 5.05.030 C.2). This proposal requires an 8’ tall wall for screening of general or outdoor storage from the public right-of-way. Commissioner Anderson verified that this proposal was adding the requirement that storage be screened – Ray confirmed that the addition says that the screening be an 8’ tall masonry wall. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to approve changes to Chapter 5, Section 5.05.030 C.2. Commissioner Ortego seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 5, Section 5.03.040 B.3 – this provision limits signage for family daycare, subject to the same requirements that we currently have for residential home occupation, which is a non- illuminated wall sign of not more than 2 square feet. Commissioner Turner made the motion to approve the Chapter 5, Section 5.03.040 B.3 to staff recommendation – “one non-illuminated identification sign is permitted provided the sign is mounted flat on the exterior wall of the dwelling and has an area no greater than two square feet”. Commissioner Ortego seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 6, Section 6.01.030 B – clean-up item; providing a section reference that was currently left out of the Ordinance. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to approve the change to Chapter 6, Section 6.01.030 B by adding the reference of Section 6.01.040. Commissioner McDonald seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 6, Section 6.02.030 – this amendment was a provision in the Subdivision Regulations, intended to provide flexibility with regards to minimum lot widths for cul-de-sac lots – the proposal is to allow for 30 foot to 50 foot lot widths for cul-de-sac lots, provided that the full required width is provided at the front setback line. Commissioner Ortego made the motion to approve the General amendments to Chapter 6, Section 6.02.030 regarding the minimum lot widths on cul-de-sac. Commissioner McDonald seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 6, Section 6.03.020 – the proposal is to change the language to allow an increase in impervious coverage up to 95% for projects in the Downtown Overlay District, subject to a parking in-lieu fee (along with the current language that allows an increase if a project is providing on-site parking). Sondgeroth answered Commissioner Gibbs’ question of what the payment in-lieu fee would be by saying that the City would need to determine that fee, and the money would go into a parking fund. Commissioner Anderson asked a policy question of if it would always be cheaper for a developer to pay for a parking permit - to take a parking space and make it an income part of the property is more economically attractive to a developer. Sondgeroth said that through the Downtown Design Guidelines and the Downtown Overlay Ordinance, the Council, due to the parking downtown, passed an alternative parking plan, to which a number of different types of parking that can be provided – off-site, shared, valet and a fee in-lieu of. Glenda Overfelt, 951 CR 317, representing Downtown Georgetown Association and the Managed Parking Task Force for the Main Street Advisory Board, had these concerns: the in- lieu fee taking precedence over providing parking spaces; if a parking fund was established; and; and if fees were going to be adequate enough to accomplish the City’s needs. Overfelt wanted to be sure that in the future, these alternate plan provisions would not be abused and would be able to satisfy parking. Renee L. Hanson, 1252 Austin Avenue, representing the Downtown Design Guidelines, Downtown Economic Analysis, and the Downtown Master Plan, said she was not against adding the “in-lieu” of parking, as long as it is decided on as a case by case basis, and not as a matter of right. Hanson that language needs to be added so the acceptance of this fee is optional and that it does not provide a hardship to surrounding businesses or residences, and that the business is meeting the goals of the Downtown Business district. Chet Hall, 4400 Gattis School Road, Round Rock, who owns Georgetown property, asked if property owners participated in the development of the Unified Development Code. Sondgeroth informed Hall of the adoption process that Planning and Development went through to get the UDC adopted in March, 2003, that being 1½ years of public meetings and workshops with notice given to property owners within the entire City limits. Sondgeroth confirmed that property owners were included in the amendment process. Hall asked if the economic analysis of the proposal was available, and if not, it should be. Commissioner Aadnesen suggested that Hall contact the mayor or Sondgeroth to get an explanation of how the UDC is applied. Sondgeroth verified that this proposal would not apply to properties outside the Downtown Overlay District. Commissioner Anderson pointed out Section 9.02.060, paragraph G, covers the fee in-lieu parking, and suggested that the paragraph be referenced with the change. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to approve Section 6.03, Table 6.03.020 to add the verbiage “ 1)” to if providing one-site structured parking and “ or 2) providing a payment of a parking fee-in-lieu of the required parking” as referenced to Section 9.02.060 G. Commissioner Moore seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 6, Section 6.03.040 a and b – a) this proposal is to allow on-site parking that serve contiguous commercial uses to be located within the side yards; b) specifies that any encroachment into a public utility easement (P.U.E.) must obtain a License to Encroach. Commissioner Moore made the motion to approve Chapter 6, Section 6.03.040, 6.a, sub paragraph viii, which states “On-site parking serving contiguous commercial uses may be located within required side yards”, and the addition to sub paragraph b the following “without approval of a License to Encroach into the easement. Commissioner McDonald seconded the motion, which passed with the vote of 7-0. Chapter 7, Section 7.03.050 C – proposal to omit this paragraph that allows residential fences less than 6’ in height to be erected without a building permit Commissioner Aadnesen made the motion to amend Section 7.03.050, by removing the wording of paragraph C. Motion was seconded by Gibbs, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 8, Section 8.02.020 – staff recommended this item be pulled from consideration and brought back to the Commission for further study. Chapter 8, Section 8.03.020 B –clean-up item; proposal to make the tree caliper measurement consistent by omitting the existing three feet , and adding “four and a half (4 ½) feet Commissioner Ortego made the motion to approve the general amendments to Section 8.03.020 sub paragraph B by adding the language four and a half (4 ½) to the size of the caliper of the trees. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 9, Section 9.03.020 A.3 – adds a reference to design and location requirements for Handicapped parking spaces Commissioner Moore made the motion to approve Section 9.03.020, sub paragraph A, with the addition of sub paragraph 3 as written. Commissioner Turner seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 9, Section 9.03.020 D – proposal to eliminate “off-street parking areas, drive aisles, driveways, access easements and loading areas for all uses”, leaving all designated fire lanes to be paved in a manner consistent with local street design. Munk, Development Engineer, explained that the existing standard is a higher standard than most parking lots are built to, and this proposal will let the other parking surfaces go back to a normal parking style, which has less base and sometimes less hot-mix, and have only the fire lanes maintain the local street design standard. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to accept the changes to Chapter 9, Section 9.03.020, Section D. Commissioner Turner seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 10, Section 10.03.020 J – this section prohibits any sign or flag within 10’ of the curb or the street edge, and was not included in the adopted UDC – proposal is to add language to the UDC. Commissioner Ortego made the motion to approve the general amendment to Section 10.03.020 J. and read the paragraph as written in report, noting that there were no exceptions. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion, and asked what the following exceptions were. Ray said that it was the language as it current exists in the Code, which brings in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 a and b. Commissioner Anderson verified that this proposal was just killing the first sentence in that section, and adding the proposed paragraph to memorialize an existing Ordinance. Ray verified that the first sentence being taken out disallows signs in the public right-of-way. Motion passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 10, Section 10.06. Table 10.06.010 – proposal is to replace the language “Williams Drive Overlay” with “Williams Drive Corridor Study Area”, basically to expand the sign provision for the full length of the Corridor. Sondgeroth explained that monument signs are permitted along Williams Drive, existing pole signs would be grandfather-ed, but any new sign permits would be along the entire Williams Drive Corridor Study area would be required to be monument signs - what was included in the Ordinance was the Overlay District. Commissioner Turner made the motion to approve under Section 10.06, Table 10.06.010 the change to replace “Williams Drive Overlay” with “Williams Drive Corridor Study Area”. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 10, Section 10.06.040 G – this section deals with the duration that subdivision directional signs may remain in place more than 30 days after CO; and the proposal is to remove the language “or multi family complex”. Commissioner Aadnesen made the motion to approve the Chapter 10, Section 10.06.040 G, to remove the language “or multi family complex”. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 11, Section 11.03.050 – proposal is to add 2nd paragraph that provides a 1 to 1 credit for the preservation of existing trees, which is not currently included in the existing text. Commissioner Turner suggested staff look at putting consequences for applicants that do not save the existing trees – i.e., fines. Commissioner Gibbs asked if existing big trees were being pulled up. Sondgeroth said that 2 recent examples in the last year and a half, where this situation has occurred, and said that she felt this needed to be looked at. Commissioner Aadnesen made the motion to approve the amendment to Chapter 11, Section 11.03, Section 11.03.050 as recommended by the Staff, with an additional note that the Staff be directed to look at Section 11.03.070 on page 11-5 of the current UDC to see if there ought to be additional damages if someone violations the tree requirements in the UDC. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 11, Section 11.05.050 C – proposed to delete language now, and would like to bring it back at a later time when the program is brought forward for review and adoption. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to approve the modification of Chapter 11, Section 11.05.050 to eliminate paragraph C. Commissioner Aadnesen seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 13, Section 13.04, Table 13.04.050 – proposal to reduce the right-of-way width for Residential Street from 70 feet to 50 feet, and to reduce the right-of-way width for Collector Street from 80 feet to 70 feet. Munk, Development Engineer, said that it has been found that 50 feet works throughout the county in residential subdivisions because of the way they are designing the drainage patterns - by allowing the flow across the streets, roadside channels are not needed, and in the Subdivision Regulations, it was found that 60 feet was being reduced down to 50 feet. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to approve the changes made to Chapter 13, Section 13.04, Table 13.04.050. Commissioner Ortego seconded the motion, which was passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 13, Section 13.04.070 D.3 – this amendment establishes a main size for wastewater improvements in rural subdivisions to be a minimum of 8 inches. Munk said that the UDC did not have the minimum diameter of 8 inches called out. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to accept the changes to Chapter 13, Section 13.04.070 D.3. Commissioner Gibbs seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 13, Section 13.04.070 E.4 – this amendment establishes a main size for water distribution system improvements to be a minimum of 8 inches. Commissioner Anderson made the motion to accept the changes to Chapter 13, Section 13.04.070 E.4. Commissioner Moore seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. Chapter 13, Section 13.07.020 – this amends the street light standards for rural residential subdivisions to reduce the overall requirement for street lighting to exempt the Agriculture district, along with the areas within the City’s Extra-territorial Jurisdiction from the requirements of Sections 13.07.020 A and B; however, street lighting shall be provided at entryways to rural residential subdivisions subject to the determination of the Electrical Engineer for the City of Georgetown Utility System (GUS). Commissioner Moore made the motion to approve the addition to Chapter 13, Section 13.07, sub Section 13.07.020, of sub paragraph C as written. Commissioner Gibbs seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 5-2, with Commissioners Anderson and Turner voting against. Meeting was recessed at 7:50 p.m. Meeting reconvened at 8:00 p.m. Commissioner Aadnesen recognized the following folks for the hard work done with the Old Town Overlay District: Quana Childs, Staff Architect, Amelia Sondgeroth, Director of Planning and Development Services, and the members of the task force, who are Renee Hanson, Jim Dillard, Joyce Perry, Marvin Lackey, and Joe Burke. 2. Public Hearing and possible action on a recommendation to the City Council regarding an Amendment to Section 4.04.030 (G) of the Unified Development Code (UDC) pertaining to the Old Town Overlay District. Quana Childs gave the staff presentation. In answer to Commissioner Anderson’s question regarding the purpose of the District, Childs said that a Historical Preservation District would be quite large with many more cases than the City is currently having. Childs said City does not have any financial incentives; the State of Texas, none, and nationally, there are very few incentives, except for possible commercial uses, in which there are some tax breaks. Hanson said that a Preservation Ordinance would encompass a lot more than what the City was trying to do. If a structure was on the list, it would have to be reviewed, which would not burden the residences with this kind of review. The Task Force was strictly saving structures from being demolished without anyone knowing about it, so maybe the structure could possibly moved. Hanson informed the Commission that in the early 90’s, the City tried to have a Preservation Ordinance, but that failed because people did not want to be told about painting or altering their house. Hanson supports having tax breaks and incentives. Commissioner Anderson referred to Section 4.10.020, Applicability, and confirmed that the district only be applicable to residential to commercial conversion. Commissioner Anderson got confirmation that vacant land to commercial conversion and commercial to commercial conversion, would not have the Old Town Overlay District requirements and the Certificate of Design Compliance applied to it. Childs explained that the Certificate of Design Compliance was to maintain commercial keeping the residential look. Childs confirmed that the high priority list was 20 years old, and listed the following as the criteria used to make the list: age of structure, architectural significance (such as craftsman era) or and historical important person significance (person important to the County, State Georgetown, or national). Childs said that a historic resources survey done of Georgetown would be very costly, as it would need to be done by professionals. Commissioner asked what effort was going to be made to “scrub” the existing 1984 list. Childs informed the Commission she had not had the time to go and look at all of the 150 structures on the list, to see whether the structures were still existing, or to make a determination as to what was historical or not. Discussion about the map that was being used by the Old Town Overlay District, and Childs said that the Design Guidelines would be used, and passed the Commissioners a handout (see attached). Discussion of the handout being Section 3.13, Certificate of Design Compliance. In answer to Commissioner Moore’s question, Childs said that there are 3 things an applicant can do if the application is denied: 1) applicant can accept the denial, and fix up their property; 2) applicant can appeal to the Zoning Board of Adjustment; and 3) applicant could work with HARC and City staff (Childs) to sell it off or move it. If the application was denied by HARC, it is usually because they need further information (delay a decision, pending further information). Childs said the applicant could come in 180 days after the first application was submitted, and try for demolition once again (side stepping going to ZBOA and providing proof of economic hardship). Ray said that in Chapter 3, under limit of reapplication, an application that is denied cannot be re-filed until a period of 90 days has expired. Ray said that if someone was denied by HARC, and then denied at the Board of Adjustment, the waiting period would be 3 months before they return to HARC with the same application. Sondgeroth clarified that in Texas, a property owner cannot be completely denied the ability to demolish the property completely. Sondgeroth said that at a certain point, that property owner would be able to proceed. Sondgeroth clarified that HARC could deny demolition for 180 days. Childs said only the actual citizens of the task force, some of which were owners of high priority structures have had input into the study. Commissioner McDonald asked for clarify as to why there were boundaries for this district if it was all about 150 houses that are high priority. Childs said that only 10% of the homes on the list are considered high priority. Commissioner Anderson clarified that there were two parts to this: 1) to protect High Priority structures from demolition requests, and 2) any residence in the district that is going to convert from residential to commercial use to apply for a certificate of Design Compliance within the boundaries. Robert Phipps, 1404 Elm Street, Georgetown, Texas – moved from Hyde Park in Austin, supports the Old Town Overlay District, but wants HARC to deal with smaller, actual neighborhoods of historic quality, or structure by structure, and wants care to be taken on the wording. Phipps said that tax incentives have been proven to work. Peter H. Dana, 1101 Walnut Street, Georgetown, Texas – been in Georgetown for 24 years, and is in favor of the Old Town Overlay District project Chet Hall –withdraws his name Jim Dillard, 1404 Maple Street, Georgetown, Texas – lives in a home built in 1895. Dillard is the President of the Georgetown Heritage Society, and stated that they were in the process of buying homes that would be demolished, and move them so they would be safe. Dillard said that the last bid for an updated study (from Hardy, Heck and Moore) was $52,000, he urged the Commission to pass these recommendations. Doris Curl, 1404 College Street, Georgetown, Texas – speaking on behalf of the Georgetown Heritage Society, wanted the Commission to realize the importance of working with the citizens to preserve Georgetown and its economic future. Sherri Babcock, 409 E University Avenue, Georgetown, Texas – had concern of preserving the home built by David Love, and famous for the resident Jesse Daniel Ames. Babcock talked about Ms. Ames’ specific accomplishments, and informed the Commission that the home was for sale. Since the Overlay District would preserve the home, Babcock encouraged the Commission to approve the proposed amendments pertaining to the Old Town Overlay district. Barbara Meyer, 705 E. 3rd Street, Georgetown, Texas – donated her time to Hanson Renee L. Hanson, 1252 Austin Avenue, Georgetown, Texas – representing herself and the Board for the Heart of Georgetown Neighborhood Association, said the Ordinance would save historical homes from being torn down, and asked Commission to pass the Ordinance, or table until further modification can be done. Commissioner Anderson asked if it is possible have an Overlay district that was smaller in geographic scope that would address the residential to commercial conversions, and then have protected structures that were geographically outside the geographic district that were protected. Hanson said she had spoken with Carls, City Attorney, about this very issue, and felt it would be good to look at an alternative that could be passed that just dealt with the list and demolition only. Hanson agreed that if there were a way to find the balance of an ordinance that would just deal with the demolition, that would be the ideal solution. Discuss about what would be done with a residence that would be converted into a church, and if the Overlay would affect that situation. Childs agreed that if it were high priority, HARC would be involved. Childs also said that if the property was not high priority, then HARC would not have to review. Commissioner Gibbs asked if the task force look at any incentives, such as what Mr. Phipps brought up earlier – tax incentives. Childs said not at this time, but she was looking into that for Georgetown in general. Commissioner Gibbs was very much in favor of incentives. Commissioner Aadnesen asked about what other cities have done regarding this. Childs said that W ichita Falls, Grapevine and Bastrop all have a variety of incentives, usually with a different breakdown between residential and commercial, and usually there is a time period for which the rebates apply – 5 to 10 years, then fade away. Commissioner asked Hanson what ideas of modification does she have. Hanson said that the biggest modification would be to find a way to have an Ordinance that dealt with the high priority list and demolition, then the boundary of the Overlay could be redrawn along Austin and University Avenues, and then to amend a couple of sections in the UDC to cover the other goals that the Task Force was trying to get to. Commissioner McDonald wants to table the Amendments for future study. Commissioner Anderson liked the idea, but had 4 different concerns: 1) List needs to be scrubbed (updated); 2) District is too big; 3) protection plan to protect the vacant to commercial conversions and commercial to commercial conversion; and 4) investigation on tax incentives. Moore does not want to stop progress until the list is scrubbed, and will support the Amendment. Turner supports the Amendment as is. Ortego is supportive. Gibbs would like to downsize the district; investigate incentives, and wants to table the issue, work on it, and bring back to Planning & Zoning in a month. Aadnesen wants to table for the following reasons: 1) to find out what other towns have done ; 2) to find out how much it would cost to scrub the list, and then to scrub the list 3) work on the size and boundaries of the Overlay; 4)tax incentive district too large 5 ) vacant properties. Carls, Attorney, said you could still have the demolition aspect of this particular proposal and have that procedure be regardless where that structure is located, and then if you feel like you need an Overlay District, then you could do that with the boundaries. Carls also said that the paradigm that she was familiar with are incentive based and that is what protects the historical structures and that is what keeps them intact, and can be as little as subjecting them to a process just before they demolish or as involved as what color is the trim going to be painted. Those procedures can apply across the City regardless of what the boundaries are. Moore brought out again the purpose and intent of the regulations, according to what is written by staff, is to “maintain a residential appearance along S. Austin and University Avenues, and maintain the integrity of the residential character in the Old Town District. Moore said that there needs to be boundaries that show what the Old Town District is – and that he feels the district is not too big. Commissioner Turner made motion to recommend to the City Council approval of the Proposed Amendments to Section 4.04.030 G of the Unified Development Code (UDC) pertaining to the Courthouse View Protection Overlay District. Commissioner Moore made a motion to amend with the following recommendations to City Council: 1) that High Priority List of structures be scrubbed in a timely manner; 2) tax incentives for historic structures be considered in a timely matter; and 3) make a determination of what other towns have done in regards to historic preservation. Commissioner Turner accepts the amended motion. Motion was seconded by Commissioner Ortego, and is denied with a vote of 3-4, Commissioners Gibbs, Aadnesen, Anderson and McDonald voting against the motion. Commissioner Anderson made a motion to table the Old Town Overlay District amendment to be rescheduled in a timely manner to address the issues that were brought up with concerns, to include high priority list; the investigation of tax incentives for preservation of high priority properties; re-look at the size of the district; to look at the vacant lot to commercial conversion and commercial to commercial conversion; and to make a determination of what other towns have done in regards to historic preservation. Commissioner Gibbs seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 4-3, with Commissioners Ortego, Turner and Moore voting against. 3. Public hearing and possible action on a recommendation to the City Council regarding an Amendment to Sections 4.08 and 8.06 of the Unified Development Code (UDC) pertaining to the Gateway Overlay District. This item was skipped, and scheduled to be heard at the December 2, 2003, meeting. Don Martin, 3345 Bee Caves Road, Austin, Texas; Renee L Hanson,1252 Austin Avenue, Georgetown, Texas; and Mark Baker, 14205 Burnet Road, Austin, Texas, were scheduled to speak, but did not, as this section was skipped. 5. Section 4.09 (Courthouse View Protection Overlay District) based upon input and recommendation from citizen task forces. Carla Benton gave the staff presentation, using the map to identify the Courthouse View Protection Overlay District. Greg Strimka explained how to fix a point (like the CR 152 and Austin Avenue) - topographic map was used to determine the height that a building could be. Strimka said that inn the south, the Freeway view was being protected. Renee L. Hanson, 1252 Austin Avenue, Georgetown, Texas – supportive, but Ordinance needs more definition to some of the terms that were in the original UDC. Steve King, 315 Bowie St, Austin, Texas – donated his time to Don Martin Don Martin, 3345 Bee Caves Road, Austin, Texas – gave Commissioners a handout that had four alternative solutions regarding the Courthouse View Overlay. Martin saw 1) Sec.4.09.010 Purpose and Intent- to add “as defined by a view of the Courthouse which can reasonably be seen by a driver and/or front passenger of a car when looking in the general direction of travel”. OR, “as defined by the view of the drive and/or front passenger of a car for a forward cone of view of 45% as views in the direction of travel”. OR, “This ordinance is intended to protect the existing continuous views for the Courthouse and shall not be construed to include minor, brief views of the Courthouse incidental to a site; 2) Allow interpretation discretion by the Director of Planning; 3) Amendment to 4.09.020 Applicability – “For the purpose of Section 4.09 of the Unified Development Code, Lot 3, Section 1 of San Gabriel Village is exempt from the Courthouse View Protection Overlay District”., and 4), Delete the IH-35 View Corridor 4.09.020 (A). Rick Albers, 811 Barton Springs Road, attorney for Don Martin, has an interest in the Comfort Suites, wants to clarity to what determines a courthouse view. Patricia Carls, City Attorney, explained that the Comfort Suites and the City have an pending appeal. Gibbs feels there should be some adjustments made on the Corridor. Commissioners all agree that there needs to be more understanding of what views the Courthouse Protection View Corridor should protect. Commissioner Aadnesen suggested that the Commission drive the Corridor together. Commission was in agreement of the suggestion. Commissioner Turner made the motion to recommend to City Council to table the proposed amendments to Section 4.09 of the Unified Development Code (UDC), pertaining to the Courthouse View Protection Overlay District. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion, which passed with a vote of 7-0. It was decided that the Commissioners would meet at the Georgetown Municipal Complex (GMC) to travel the Courthouse View Protection Overlay District, at 4:00 p.m., November 25, 2003. 6. Section 13.09.030 (B) Oversized Facilities – presentation of the recommendation prepared by Georgetown Utility Services. This item was skipped, and scheduled to be heard at the December 2, 2003, meeting. Meeting was adjourned at 10:25 p.m. /tas